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nyj

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what do we think?
Hardcore Hardware ASOT-01 Tactical CPP Knife Black Trainer Package $ 299.00

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Been looking for a duty knife and this seems to fill the gaps I was looking for.
 
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It may have been posted already elsewhere, though I have not seen it, but there has never been a firm clarification on where the blades are made. I have one of their small knives I won in a contest and there is nothing wrong with it either. I don't believe they are worth the asking prices.
 
Cereal_killer said:
Personally I think it's definitely not worth the money, check out Spartan Blades for a real "CQB" style fighting tool that really works.

Also think the "live edge identifier" is a gimmick at best, a major hindrance at worst.

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They’re about $180. Definitely a little pricey.
What I liked about it over the Spartan was the sheath, the longer blade, and the g10 handle.
 
From watching the video it doesn't look comfortable in hand. It looks small for bigger hands and if we take someone with small hands that shovel ring seems too big
 
They seem overpriced to me but, of course, that is subjective. For the price on some of those you could get a busse/kin that would undoubtedly be more durable.
 
Designed in Australia and made in Asia. Can't say much about them other than that. They do seem a bit pricey though.
 
nyj said:
what do we think?


Been looking for a duty knife and this seems to fill the gaps I was looking for.
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The company Hardcore Hardware is supposedly out of Australia. I have no experience with this ASOT dagger or any of their knives for that matter.

I have only heard one person on here talk about this dagger and he seemed to quite like it. He was using it in a similar last ditch dagger type role.

That said as Andy the Aussie mentioned it is widely believed that these “Hardcore Hardwear” knives are actually just WAYYY overpriced made in China stuff.

I also would take the Spartan Knives SOCP dagger any day over this any day.
 
ZU Bladeworx makes knives which are actually in use by the Australian armed forces, and 100% made in Australia.

The knife you may want to consider is the Nomad:

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If you want one, some are available from ZU's one USA distributor. ZU now sells this knife only in group orders to military/LEO customers.
 
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Cyrano said:
ZU Bladeworx makes knives which are actually in use by the Australian armed forces, and 100% made in Australia.

The knife you may want to consider is the Nomad:

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If you want one, some are available from ZU's one USA distributor. ZU now sells this knife only in group orders to military/LEO customers.
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Work of art but also $300
 
Cyrano said:
My work does not put me in harm's way -- but if it did, I wouldn't hesitate to spend the money for a tool on which my survival might depend.
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Ok, but I could make a shank out of steel for free and it wouldn’t let me down. A sharp pointy object is just that.
 
nyj said:
Ok, but I could make a shank out of steel for free and it wouldn’t let me down. A sharp pointy object is just that.
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Can we get a few more details on the kind of knife your looking for? I'm assume this is intended for use against a gun grab (correct me if I'm mistaken)

Price your willing to spend, previous knives you've tried, etc. There's a lot of info to be gained if you give some specifics.

Check out the "Max Venom PKM"
 
nyj said:
Ok, but I could make a shank out of steel for free and it wouldn’t let me down. A sharp pointy object is just that.
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Really? All "sharp pointy objects" are equal? There are no differences among them which matter?

That's good to know. I was confused. I have no combat experience, so in my ignorance I thought many things would be important in designing a combat weapon:
  • How well does the design support quick deployment when attached to gear?
  • How well does the design support quick deployment when worn on the person?
  • How well does the design support concealment?
  • How well does the design support attachment to other gear?
  • How well does the design support being worn on the person?
  • How well does the design support an effective grip for slashing motions?
  • How well does the design support an effective grip for stabbing motions?
  • How well does the design support using the knife for slashing when the user's grip is weak or fatigued?
  • How well does the design support using the knife for stabbing when the user's grip is weak or fatigued?
  • How well does the design support maintaining grip when the knife suddenly meets resistance in a stab?
  • How well does the design support maintaining grip when the knife suddenly meets resistance in a slash?
  • How well does the design support changing grips one-handed?
  • How well does the design support changing grips in the dark?
  • How well does the design support extended use without causing pain or injury to the user?
  • How well does the design support use with fingers which are numb with cold?
  • How well does the design support use with hands that are slick with water, oil, or other liquids?
  • How well does the design minimize weight for its intended functionality?
  • How well does the design minimize weight for its intended durability?
  • How well does the design support strength of the tip when piercing hard media?
  • How well does the design support strength of the edge when cutting hard media?
  • How well does the design support durability of the tip over time?
  • How well does the design support durability of the edge over time?
  • How well does the design support retention of the knife during strenuous physical activity?
  • How well does the design support retention of the knife during close-quarter combat?
I was burdened with many other misconceptions concerning the materials used to realize the design. I erroneously thought the chemical and physical properties of the materials would interact with the design to affect the knife's performance, durability, weight, size, and shape.

Now that I know nothing in combat knife design or manufacturing matters, I can spread the word. I will educate the many legendary designers and makers whose lives and legacies I now know to be meaningless.
 
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Cyrano said:
Really? All "sharp pointy objects" are equal? There are no differences among them which matter?

That's good to know. I was confused. I have no combat experience, so in my ignorance I thought many things would be important in designing a combat weapon:
  • How well does the design support quick deployment when attached to gear?
  • How well does the design support quick deployment when worn on the person?
  • How well does the design support concealment?
  • How well does the design support attachment to other gear?
  • How well does the design support being worn on the person?
  • How well does the design support an effective grip for slashing motions?
  • How well does the design support an effective grip for stabbing motions?
  • How well does the design support using the knife for slashing when the user's grip is weak or fatigued?
  • How well does the design support using the knife for stabbing when the user's grip is weak or fatigued?
  • How well does the design support maintaining grip when the knife suddenly meets resistance in a stab?
  • How well does the design support maintaining grip when the knife suddenly meets resistance in a slash?
  • How well does the design support changing grips one-handed?
  • How well does the design support changing grips in the dark?
  • How well does the design support extended use without causing pain or injury to the user?
  • How well does the design minimize weight for its intended functionality?
  • How well does the design minimize weight for its intended durability?
  • How well does the design support strength of the tip when piercing hard media?
  • How well does the design support strength of the edge when cutting hard media?
  • How well does the design support durability of the tip over time?
  • How well does the design support durability of the edge over time?
  • How well does the design support retention of the knife during strenuous physical activity?
  • How well does the design support retention of the knife during close-quarter combat?
I was burdened with many other misconceptions concerning the materials used to realize the design. I erroneously thought the chemical and physical properties of the materials would interact with the design to affect the knife's performance, durability, weight, size, and shape.

Now that I know nothing in combat knife design or manufacturing matters, I can spread the word. I will educate the many legendary designers and makers whose lives and legacies I now know to be meaningless.
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No need to defend your stance. I appreciate your recommendation, but I am simply not looking for a $300 belt knife that has the chance at getting lost. And when it comes to this style of knife, as far as I’m concerned, if it’s a good metal and sharp, it’ll do the job just fine. This is a last ditch, absolute last line of defense, and poking holes isn’t hard to accomplish for most pointy objects.
 
I’d choose something from cold steel. Maybe they have a video of some mall ninja stuff that actually works
 
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