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[Cyrano]

He's already stated its a last ditch tool as a cop. He has 4 other tools to use before potentially using this stick-and-go style knife.

In that last-ditch scenario, how fast you can draw the knife from its holster won't matter? How quickly you can get an effective grip on the knife won't matter? How long the blade is won't matter? How secure a grip the handle provides won't matter? How the blade is aligned with the natural geometry of your arm and hand won't matter?

I understand that the act of stabbing someone is not rocket science, and that once you've put a sharp and pointy thing into an adversary, many subtle details of that sharp pointy thing won't matter much.

However, I believe it's very possible that those subtle details might matter quite a bit in determining whether or not you actually get that sharp pointy thing into your adversary quickly enough, and accurately enough, and powerfully enough, to keep you from harm.

You're putting entirely too much thought into this.

I mean no disrespect, but I believe you're not putting enough thought into this. You are using faulty logic to support a position I believe is not only factually wrong, but potentially harmful.

The question we are discussing is whether or not there are any practical differences among knives in a combat situation. I'm maintaining there might be differences, and those differences might be significant enough to alter one's odds of staying alive. You are maintaining there are no differences.

If you're wrong, people who believe you risk putting themselves at higher risk of injury or death.

You've made a claim which could have life-or-death consequences. I believe you are obliged to defend this claim with facts and logic. So far, your logic is faulty, so you have done nothing to defend your claim.

 

[stonproject]

In that last-ditch scenario, how fast you can draw the knife from its holster won't matter? How quickly you can get an effective grip on the knife won't matter? How long the blade is won't matter? How secure a grip the handle provides won't matter? How the blade is aligned with the natural geometry of your arm and hand won't matter?

I understand that the act of stabbing someone is not rocket science, and that once you've put a sharp and pointy thing into an adversary, many subtle details of that sharp pointy thing won't matter much.

However, I believe it's very possible that those subtle details might matter quite a bit in determining whether or not you actually get that sharp pointy thing into your adversary quickly enough, and accurately enough, and powerfully enough, to keep you from harm.



I mean no disrespect, but I believe you're not putting enough thought into this. You are using faulty logic to support a position I believe is not only factually wrong, but potentially harmful.

The question we are discussing is whether or not there are any practical differences among knives in a combat situation. I'm maintaining there might be differences, and those differences might be significant enough to alter one's odds of staying alive. You are maintaining there are no differences.

If you're wrong, people who believe you risk putting themselves at higher risk of injury or death.

You've made a claim which could have life-or-death consequences. I believe you are obliged to defend this claim with facts and logic. So far, your logic is faulty, so you have done nothing to defend your claim.

TL;DR

Of the 3-4 blades in consideration they're all ringed daggers in a kydex sheath. Of the 2 I've suggested over his 2 threads they're ringed karambits in kydex sheaths. They all deploy the same speed and do the same thing. Stick and go.

You're still thinking entirely too hard to the point of redundancy.

 

[Cyrano]

TL;DR

I rest my case.

 

[stonproject]

I rest my case.

Thank goodness!

 

[nyj]

Just an update - picked this up for a hundred bucks. Figured at that price, it was worth trying. This is the HH lfk-04 with D2. Superb feel of quality, even if rumored to be made in gyna (doesn’t say). Factory edge is insanely sharp. The kydex sheath fits tight with no rattling and the retention is very strong. I’m happy with it.

 

[Box27]

Just an update - picked this up for a hundred bucks. Figured at that price, it was worth trying. This is the HH lfk-04 with D2. Superb feel of quality, even if rumored to be made in gyna (doesn’t say). Factory edge is insanely sharp. The kydex sheath fits tight with no rattling and the retention is very strong. I’m happy with it.

 

[Box27]

HH SUCKS !!!!! Bought one of there Daggers and was Highly dissapointed. The knive was VERY Handle Heavy and out of the Box was the Dullest knife I had ever Purchased !! Been doing knives for 25yrs both High End Production and Custom and by Far !!! This was the Worst

 

[microbe]

In a knife fight the most trained fighter will likely win by deflecting attacks and stabbing an untrained opponent 5 times before they blink their eyes.
Having a great fighting knife when you have no knife fighting skills is pointless.

 

[Someone1]

The detractors in this thread are silly and probably have never needed to fight, or even think about how to win a desperate fight, in real life. If you haven't, then you shouldn't speak on the issue.

I'm only speaking now because half of the comments here should never have been typed because they're based purely on naivety and ignorance. Now I'm going back to lurking. (For your reference, most cops, and most military servicemembers, have never before and never will get into a close up, desperate life or death fight, i bet if they ever did they'd want any option that would help them win. Batons, guns, and tasers aren't meant for some scenarios and would in certain situations be downright stupid to pull out at all.)

End rant

 

[craytab]

In a knife fight the most trained fighter will likely win by deflecting attacks and stabbing an untrained opponent 5 times before they blink their eyes.
Having a great fighting knife when you have no knife fighting skills is pointless.

The detractors in this thread are silly and probably have never needed to fight, or even think about how to win a desperate fight, in real life. If you haven't, then you shouldn't speak on the issue.

I'm only speaking now because half of the comments here should never have been typed because they're based purely on naivety and ignorance. Now I'm going back to lurking. (For your reference, most cops, and most military servicemembers, have never before and never will get into a close up, desperate life or death fight, i bet if they ever did they'd want any option that would help them win. Batons, guns, and tasers aren't meant for some scenarios and would in certain situations be downright stupid to pull out at all.)

End rant

Both of you have completely missed the point of this necro thread from last January.

It's not about knife fighting. Nor is it a thread only for people who have been in a desperate situation. It is about a recommendation of a knife for primary weapon retention. It is about, God forbid, being prepared.

If I was the op I would have gone with the benchmade socp or the spartan.

 

[John_0917]

Little pricey for a duty knife don’t you think?

Also, what is the retention on the carry method? The only instance I know of where a belt knife was put to use was a few years ago when a suspect high on meth slashed an Austin (TX) officer’s throat after grabbing the Kabar TDI from his belt. The officer lived and subsequently shot and killed the assailant.

 

[indianajonze]

i'll humbly submit that hha knives are indeed the real deal. i own plenty of "real" knives, and hha knives are at or near the top in terms of quality, fit and finish. price is high, but so is quality. they stand by their products, have a lifetime guarantee and their customer service is outstanding. you also get things like a molle compatible sheath out of the box. i'm thinking those who are naysaying are speaking from ignorance rather than real world experience with hha knives

 

[Danke42]

i'll humbly submit that hha knives are indeed the real deal. i own plenty of "real" knives, and hha knives are at or near the top in terms of quality, fit and finish. price is high, but so is quality. they stand by their products, have a lifetime guarantee and their customer service is outstanding. you also get things like a molle compatible sheath out of the box. i'm thinking those who are naysaying are speaking from ignorance rather than real world experience with hha knives

Near the top of what?

 

[MolokaiRider]

To the OP.

I’m glad you’ve found a tool you’re happy with.

If you ever get the chance could you drop an update every now and then as you get familiar with the knife? It would be interesting to see what your thoughts on how it performs over time.

Stay safe and Happy Holidays!