Hardcore hardware

[shinyedges]

LOL. Sounds like Down Under Knives.

That reminds me of the guy awhile back who swore up and down how good duk were.

 

[P7HVN]

Benchmade 176 SOCP- less than $100. Much better value, tho' the sheath is a bit bulky. Bear in mind the ASOT & SOCP are both over 7" long and might be hard to hide on a duty belt and you'll feel it getting in & out of vehicles, or just bending over. If you are set on something with a ring, I'd look at something like a Bastinelli Pikar(5") or Max Venom Karambite, both around $100.
I think you'd be much better served to get a good push dagger, like a BM175 or similar; they usually have flat kydex sheaths that you can lash to gunbelts or other gear. 2-3" blade lengths are usually small enough to mount behind mag pouches. Heck, CS Safemaker II's are like $30; you could get 2 or 3 and put them in different spots. If you go push-dagger resist the urge to go with a long(4-5) blade; they tend to move around more, with that much length sticking out past your knuckles.

 

[19-3ben]

That reminds me of the guy awhile back who swore up and down how good duk were.

I remember him well. "No seriously guys!!! they're the best!!! I've never owned one and never seen one, but I swear by them!"

I wonder what ever happened to him... I miss him. It was good drama.

 

[Riz!]

Ide buy the spartan blades or benchmade SOCP before that. Or lookup skallywag tactical. The handle looks annoyingly skinny on the HH model

 

[shinyedges]

I remember him well. "No seriously guys!!! they're the best!!! I've never owned one and never seen one, but I swear by them!"

I wonder what ever happened to him... I miss him. It was good drama.

Yep, can't make this stuff up.

 

[nyj]

Benchmade 176 SOCP- less than $100. Much better value, tho' the sheath is a bit bulky. Bear in mind the ASOT & SOCP are both over 7" long and might be hard to hide on a duty belt and you'll feel it getting in & out of vehicles, or just bending over. If you are set on something with a ring, I'd look at something like a Bastinelli Pikar(5") or Max Venom Karambite, both around $100.
I think you'd be much better served to get a good push dagger, like a BM175 or similar; they usually have flat kydex sheaths that you can lash to gunbelts or other gear. 2-3" blade lengths are usually small enough to mount behind mag pouches. Heck, CS Safemaker II's are like $30; you could get 2 or 3 and put them in different spots. If you go push-dagger resist the urge to go with a long(4-5) blade; they tend to move around more, with that much length sticking out past your knuckles.

Thanks. I had a thread about a week ago asking for recommendations. The pitfalls of the SOCP are a poor sheath and no secondary ability outside of being a dagger. Same with the Spartan. Like I said, this one seemed to make up for those weaknesses, but as come to light, they’re not as good as they’re suppose to be. So search continues. I like that 175 though

 

[Cyrano]

... I am simply not looking for a $300 belt knife that has the chance at getting lost.

For an EDC belt knife, I concur: $300 is extravagant. My point is only that if my survival might depend on split-second effective use of a weapon while under duress, $300 is not pricey at all.

... And when it comes to this style of knife, as far as I’m concerned, if it’s a good metal and sharp, it’ll do the job just fine. This is a last ditch, absolute last line of defense ...

Again, I speak with zero first-hand experience of combat, but if I were in a last-ditch, absolute-last-line-of-defense situation, I'd expect all the questions above would be of vital concern to me. If the knife isn't quickly accessible, I'm dead. If the knife slips in my hand, I'm dead. If the knife comes out of my hand during a struggle, I'm dead.

... poking holes isn’t hard to accomplish for most pointy objects.

I agree, if the target isn't moving, and I'm not moving, and my hands are strong and warm and dry, and the knife is dry, and the target is soft, and I have plenty of time to get the knife in my hand, and I have the time and ability to choose how I want to hold the knife, and nothing hits my arm or hand while striking.

In other, more challenging circumstances, I believe the design of the knife could matter quite a bit. I expect that is why a market exists for expensive, purpose-specific combat knives.

 

[unwisefool]

Might want to check if you are allowed to have a blade like that, all the guys I know get caught with something like that it's not good for their pension.

 

[gazz98]

My first thought was : that doesn't look comfortable to hold. As other have mentioned, you might want to keep looking.

 

[Cereal_killer]

What about a BanTang Clinch Pick or similar P'Kal style knife?

You could get the set (live and trainer) for 2/3 the price ($99US/ea).

 

[Korean Hog]

Ka Bar TDI? Not the same but it still meant to be a rapidly deployed, last ditch weopon for LEOs, military and the like. It is also 30-60 dollar price range with most of the options being closer to the $40 mark.

I don't own one so I can't tell you how it is in person or how it performs. I remember when they first came out and saw the comparison videos to other knife styles. I don't know if its any faster than an Emerson, but it's a fixed blade instead of a folder which is inherently stronger.

Not the best blade steel, AUS8, but that should be plenty substantial for a back up fighting knife. Shape looks very comfortable as well.

 

[Danke42]

Those blades with the loop are aimed at a very narrow niche where the loop aids retention while you also have a firearm in hand. If that's the OP's plant then a lot of the other suggestions wont' fly. Even the loop on a karambit is usually too small when you also have another weapon in hand. The theory is you use the knife to transition to the firearm and don't worry about re-sheathing the knife or flat out dropping it in the process.

Bummer on Hardcore, I'd heard great stuff about their axes and had wanted one for some time. Wound up spending more to get a Winkler II which I'm very happy with.

 

[Icehawk]

Serious question here... when on earth would an officer pull a knife? I would think a LEO would be a hell of a lot more interested in learning how to defend oneself against a knife wielding perp than hoping that they can last ditch with a knife. A knife for EDC use while on the job, maybe incorporating some rescue features, that makes sense to me.

For the life of me I can't Google a single instance of an officer using a knife to subdue a perp or defend themselves... even foreign countries like the Philipines just turn up what I would expect - cops with guns vs perps with knives. We all know how that goes in real life (not some training class) since I can find a hell of a lot of cases where a cop shoots a knife user. Not trying to be a dick about it but this seems more fantasy than a reality and I know how I would view an officer carrying a blade like that - it wouldn't be positive. Maybe it could be concealed but I'd think it would need to be accessible, and therefore likely quite visible, in order for it to be of any use in the dreaded "last ditch" battle.

Don't take this as anti-cop or anti-knife as it is not meant to be.

 

[shinyedges]

Serious question here... when on earth would an officer pull a knife? I would think a LEO would be a hell of a lot more interested in learning how to defend oneself against a knife wielding perp than hoping that they can last ditch with a knife. A knife for EDC use while on the job, maybe incorporating some rescue features, that makes sense to me.

For the life of me I can't Google a single instance of an officer using a knife to subdue a perp or defend themselves... even foreign countries like the Philipines just turn up what I would expect - cops with guns vs perps with knives. We all know how that goes in real life (not some training class) since I can find a hell of a lot of cases where a cop shoots a knife user. Not trying to be a dick about it but this seems more fantasy than a reality and I know how I would view an officer carrying a blade like that - it wouldn't be positive. Maybe it could be concealed but I'd think it would need to be accessible, and therefore likely quite visible, in order for it to be of any use in the dreaded "last ditch" battle.

Don't take this as anti-cop or anti-knife as it is not meant to be.

The knife is used as a firearm retention device.
It creates space between the aggressor and the officer and allows the officer to withdraw his firearm. Basically, it's a get the eff off me so I can draw my firearm tool.

 

[stonproject]

For an EDC belt knife, I concur: $300 is extravagant. My point is only that if my survival might depend on split-second effective use of a weapon while under duress, $300 is not pricey at all.



Again, I speak with zero first-hand experience of combat, but if I were in a last-ditch, absolute-last-line-of-defense situation, I'd expect all the questions above would be of vital concern to me. If the knife isn't quickly accessible, I'm dead. If the knife slips in my hand, I'm dead. If the knife comes out of my hand during a struggle, I'm dead.



I agree, if the target isn't moving, and I'm not moving, and my hands are strong and warm and dry, and the knife is dry, and the target is soft, and I have plenty of time to get the knife in my hand, and I have the time and ability to choose how I want to hold the knife, and nothing hits my arm or hand while striking.

In other, more challenging circumstances, I believe the design of the knife could matter quite a bit. I expect that is why a market exists for expensive, purpose-specific combat knives.

Just playing devils advocate but id bet the vast majority of knife fatalities whether offensive or defensive, were done with what knife nuts would consider crap knives.

 

[nyj]

Ka Bar TDI? Not the same but it still meant to be a rapidly deployed, last ditch weopon for LEOs, military and the like. It is also 30-60 dollar price range with most of the options being closer to the $40 mark.

I don't own one so I can't tell you how it is in person or how it performs. I remember when they first came out and saw the comparison videos to other knife styles. I don't know if its any faster than an Emerson, but it's a fixed blade instead of a folder which is inherently stronger.

Not the best blade steel, AUS8, but that should be plenty substantial for a back up fighting knife. Shape looks very comfortable as well.

Looked at them. Don’t love them. Large cumbersome grip and not the greatest sheath.

 

[Cyrano]

Just playing devils advocate but id bet the vast majority of knife fatalities whether offensive or defensive, were done with what knife nuts would consider crap knives.

I agree. I'd expect the total number of knife fatalities in the world to be dominated by non-combat situations (e.g., domestic violence, street crime, prison crime, etc.)

I'd also say that has no relevance whatsoever to this discussion. That 90% of knife fatalities occur in non-combat situations tells me nothing about what would serve me best in a combat situation.

 

[stonproject]

I agree. I'd expect the total number of knife fatalities in the world to be dominated by non-combat situations (e.g., domestic violence, street crime, prison crime, etc.)

I'd also say that has no relevance whatsoever to this discussion. That 90% of knife fatalities occur in non-combat situations tells me nothing about what would serve me best in a combat situation.

It tells you plenty about it in a combat capacity, anything sharp and pointy can kill.

 

[Cyrano]

It tells you plenty about it in a combat capacity, anything sharp and pointy can kill.

True statement: Anything sharp and pointy can kill.
Therefore: All things sharp and pointy can kill equally well.

See any problem here?

 

[stonproject]

True statement: Anything sharp and pointy can kill.
Therefore: All things sharp and pointy can kill equally well.

See any problem here?

He's already stated its a last ditch tool as a cop. He has 4 other tools to use before potentially using this stick-and-go style knife. You're putting entirely too much thought into this.