Has This Been Suggested?

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Chris S.

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Reading Lt. Dan and Seax's comments on the Mini Jungle got me thinking...

When you're carrying a khukuri on your belt, you've got a choice of using the big khuk, or the little karda. Think about a camping trip, sometimes you need something in the middle.

Has anyone suggested Craig try doing a combo model, like a WWII with a Mini Jungle riding piggyback?

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This combo rig is a super idea! Putting what might be the 2 most useful khukuris together would have only one drawback -- total weight on the belt. But the WW2 is lighter than the AK and maybe a better choice.

What do you think about making the #2 khukuri a size between the Biltong and MJ? That will knock off a few ounces. Would a scaled-down Reiger be too strange? The reason being that this handle would fit any size hand without having the traditional points dig in. A 1/4" blade might also be good. What about handle material? I sure don't mind refinishing a nice piece of R-wood, as tung oil works wonders (subject for another thread).

Let's kick this concept around until fully developed. It's such a great idea that it's almost hard to mess up.
 
Add a handle that envelops your fingers and subtract karda and chakma and the circle is almost closed.We would have a small version of a greek/spanish Machaira/falcata from 500BC....(it used to have a smaller knife of the same shape just like the MJ in this suggestion)

Regards
Daniel

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Believe it or not, this has already been discussed about a year ago. It's not "off the table," but just pushed back. I need to finish the WWIIIs first! It's a promise I've made to myself. No more special orders until I can finish that.

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Craig Gottlieb
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Craig, aren't you the fountainhead of good ideas?! Glad to find that you're thinking ahead on this one, too (why am I surprised -- again?). Can you share your ideas with us so we don't reinvent the wheel? It would be nice to know your design thoughts on this.

How about if we get it together here and work on it, and not talk special order 'til the WW3's and you are ready? I sure don't want you to be should upon, and I can wait if you like. Either way, can you share the vision???
 
What if they were both Rieger style?

BTW--How long is the biltong?

Sgt. D. suggested dropping the karda & chakmak...good thinking.

But what if the k&c were turned into something else? Like an awl, and (someone suggest something).

Is that worth keeping on the backside?

Chris



[This message has been edited by Chris S. (edited 12-01-2000).]
 

My appologies to who first suggested this idea.

I've been here for more than a year... I didn't mean to steal anyone's idea.

BTW-Anyone know who initially suggested it?

They should get credit.

Chris
 
Nice idea Chris!

I do not think you need to have any sleepless nights, over stealing somebody's invention.

Like Sgt. D points out, this has been done before, and sometimes creative thinking like this can bring back good solutions.

Seax


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Chris, a quick note before the drill weekend starts. The nifty little biltong I have is 8". I'm thinking the MJ is a bit big as is for a piggyback; mine is a full 12" and 12 oz., with a WW2 size handle that is fantastic for its blade.

Your new idea twist of both knives being Reiger-style is excellent! But, as is, the Reiger is bigger than the WW2. What about scaling it down to WW2 size?!

If the #2 knife was sized in between the biltong and MJ, it would do all the small jobs well, and we could forget the karda. I wonder if it would be smart to also include a well-made, very hard, and fully functional chakma as #3. In fact, all 3 could be made panawal/Reiger style with slab handles if it suits. Tell me more about the other possibilities you touched on.

BTW, good artwork. And I see this whole notion as a group effort, and am all too happy to thank whoever was "first", if here, Nepal, or wherever.

A parallel example. There were 2 guys (Bill Keith in New England, and Bobby Thompson in SC), who independently developed the idea and technique of playing fiddle (and jazz) tunes, note-for-note (now called melodic banjo), on the 5-string banjo in the 1950's. Lots of folks tried to figure out who dunnit "first". Well, nobody could, and the 2 master musicians really didn't care, because it's one of those things that just happened. They were much more interested in pickin' good music.

Likewise, this forum is pretty much all about fellowship amongst khukuri enthusiasts. Let's keep after it...Dan
 
This sounds like a really great idea. Being the owner of one of the two Reigers out there at present, and having tested it a little for my own faith. I can say that this would be a great product. Sizing down the main blade might be a good idea also, as the Reiger is almost 19" and a little over 2 lbs. The handle is also a little large in girth if you do not have extremely large hands. It tends to tire the gripping muscles a little with extended chopping. The Reiger is one of the nicest Khukri design blades that I have handled. Very good chopper.
There are many examples of fine hunting knife combos, of this nature out there. This idea in a Khukuri design is really tops. Hope that it goes somewhere as I would definately get on the bandwagon! Once again, GREAT IDEA ALL!!
 
ArchAngel, you're one of the very few who can give us this kind of valuable input on this project. Your experience has confirmed some guesses, but I had no way of really knowing things like handle size. Decreasing the handle girth is good thinking. What else? We can use your (and everybody's) wisdom, that's for sure.

I'm feeling like some accessory tools are good, not only for what they are (if well made and chosen), but they also seem to keep the #1 knife handle from digging into one's side when hanging on the belt. The awl idea is growing on me.

I don't mean to jump the gun (was waiting for Chris and others to speak up), but I got a little excited to see ArchAngel's post. My keyboard runneth over....Dan
 

This is very cool, guys. A genuine long-distance brainstorm. Any lurkers chime in, all ideas are appreciated.

Next...

Wood-n-water buffalo, kydex sheath?

Anyone feel the need for a leg tie down?

(Craig may need to provide his experience here with kydex.)

Chris S.
 
This idea is sounding like more fun by the minute! I also like the accessory idea, this keeps each blade useable for it's major function. Maybe to keep the accessory items from digging into the wearer, we could have them piggy back on the smaller blades sheath? This would also have the visiual affect of a continuing step down in size. It may not be practical but it could look real sweet. I also think that we would need to use conventional style sheath work to keep the spacing required to draw the smaller knife past the larger ones handle, maybe? I really do love the Reiger style idea, as that handle does feel very comfortable during use. What would be good sizes for the two main blades? Maybe 16" to 17" for the large and 9" to 10" for the smaller? Just trying to picture it in my head. Have the OAL of the smaller knife be just under the blade only dimension of the larger? Grip profile and dimensions sized down to match. It is fun playing with ideas like this with people of like interest. Hope it keeps flowing. You will hear from me again I am sure!
 
GH Forumites, I really like where we're going with this thread. All of the ideas have merit, and it seems like they just keep coming!

What I was trying to say about having the little tools in the traditional place, is the space there puts the #1 knife handle away from the wearer to prevent its jabbing into him; the c&k are tucked out of the way, and also act as a spacer at the same time. Now that ArchAngel brought up the notion of putting the accessories on the outside, I also like his idea of "stepping" in order of size. It's easy enough to design the scabbard with a spacer of some sort to keep the handle away from the body....that is, if it's even necessary to begin with. My only experience has been with traditional khukuris. As of yet, I've not had the c&k dig into me. What I do seem to notice is how the big knife handle stays comfortably away from me, like some modern pistol holsters. Whatever we do, we might want to keep overall size in mind, as 3 layers will add up to a real chunky sheath at some point. It's all good to me. What d'ya think?

ArchAngel, your OAL knife sizes seem really great to me. So far, we've been talking about the #1 knife being WW2 size, but Reiger-style, so 16.5" looks looks like it could be a winner. Thinner handle, too.

The #2 knife is up for grabs. I'm thinking the shortened MJ/Reiger, in the size you suggested will be best. The present MJ OAL is pretty big next to the WW2, and adds a lot to the OA weight. What I think we're looking for is more of a real cutting knife than chopping khukuri, especially since the #1 is part of this rig. Having a thinner and shorter MJ might give us a good cutter and no need for a karda, while keeping the rig OA weight and size down.

Something else I hope to keep down is the OA PRICE!! So a wood scabbard was on my mind, but there may indeed be a way to do this really well with Kydex and be worth every penny (gulp). I'm drawing a blank on this one right now. A leg tie-down feature also gets my attention. So all, speak words of sheath design revelation to us!

The formula of making a knife OAL according to the next blade length now looks like elegantly simple design. Yet another super idea. Now, why didn't I think of that?!

Forumites, is this where we are at the moment? If I'm not getting it right, please speak up and show me the error of my ways.

Chris S., it sure would be nice to see some of your artwork updated. (After all, didn't you start this thread with the above masterpiece-to-be?!) Tell you what I'm gonna do....if you draw more, I'll try to say more and talk less!



[This message has been edited by Lt. Dan (edited 12-03-2000).]
 
I've seen a few "piggy back" knife sheaths over the years, some better than others. I believe Puma had a set-up that carried one of their larger, bowie type knives and a smaller (approx 4"), skinner type fixed blade on the same sheath. The rig that I consider the best by far is the one that came with my Gerber Parabellum Folder (see pics).
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The sheath itself is made of a synthetic canvas-like material. It has a hard lined, main sheath compartment for carrying the knife in the open & locked position and has a pouch type outer compartment for carrying the knife in the closed position. The unique part of this rig is the fact that the lower part of the sheath is free to swivel while the upper portion is attached to your belt. This allows the sheath (and its contents) to be extremely snag-free and keeps the blade at right angles to the ground, regardless of body position.

I'd like to see a sheath like this, using the same materials, made to carry one large Khukuri and one smaller fixed blade utility knife. It's extremely lightweight, impervious to the elements and as tough as woodpecker lips. I'm sure a little imagination applied to the original design would could produce a workable & inexpensive "piggy back" sheath for our Khukuris.
 
Boy, this is really picking up steam. AFTER Christmas, I'll start looking into this. But first, I have to get resolution on the 20 or so WWIIIs that need to be finished.

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Craig Gottlieb
Gurkha House
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Craig, I feel like the intent here is to just see what we can get together, and it's got some potential. Thanks for your resolve to see the WW3 to completion, and whatever else you've got cookin' in the wilds of Northern Virginia. I'm pretty sure that everybody here will gladly wait until this number comes up on your list. We've got plenty to do on it until then.

Blackdog! Thank you for the pix and this sheath idea. I hadn't seen one of the Gerbers, but like both it and the materials. Can you develop the concept more?....I'm just not coming up with any new ideas on it. (still stuck thinking wood-and-buffalo)

Chris S.? Who's got something?
 
I'm working on a graphic, but over the last few nights I've been too busy to finish it up.

What's the length of a Biltong?

Chris
 
Chris S., by biltong is 8" OAL. But your idea of 10" is by far better. That would give the knife a fair sized handle and also save weight from the MJ. I think 10" will bring the OAL right close to the blade length of the Reiger/WW2, which is a great suggestion. No hurry; I don't want to rush your fine khukuri art.
 
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