Having a hard time deciding on my next EDC, please help...

Not sure I get the comment about the Civivi. If they don't appeal, I totally get it. But to say you wouldn't buy because of Chinese origin, directly after stating you ordered a Pilar, and just prior to a Kizer post? You do know all those knives are made in China, right?

I actually didn't know that Kizer's were Chinese. Now that I do its gone down on my list. I'm not necessarily totally against buying Chinese, its just that I'd rather buy American made first. Or at a minimum an American BRAND, even if the model is manufactured overseas. I've looked at the Civivi's and they have some OK models, but none that I like enough to even put on my list. There is one WE model that I do like but it'll probably be a long time before I actually buy it, if ever.

Anyway I just got my Pilar in the mail and first impressions: It is TINY. Way smaller than I expected, especially coming from a PM2, full size BM Barrage and even a Microtech UTX-85. I watched pretty much every youtube video review of the Pilar and none of them prepared me for how small it actually is. But that's not totally a bad thing. It is difficult for me to open with one hand because its so small, but man is it comfortable in the hand when its open. Clearly the Pilar was designed for whittling wood because it is AMAZING for that purpose, like unbelievably good. Even though its tiny the choil allows you to easily get all four fingers on it (and I have big hands) which gives you amazing control over the blade. I actually really like it. Its just going to take me some time to get over how small it is. Its also a little rough around the edges. There is some really bad machining around the edges of the frame lock, for example. Bad enough that I will file them down. But for a knife in this price bracket I can't really complain too much. Cool knife though.
 
I actually didn't know that Kizer's were Chinese. Now that I do its gone down on my list. I'm not necessarily totally against buying Chinese, its just that I'd rather buy American made first. Or at a minimum an American BRAND, even if the model is manufactured overseas. I've looked at the Civivi's and they have some OK models...

What is worse: a Chinese company making knives in China or an American company that does their manufacturing in China? Crediting the latter for being American feels a little off to me. If the former is making truly excellent knives for great prices, there is no contest in my mind.

I think that's the reason people like Civivi so much. The knives really are amazing for the price. It's not so much the designs but the materials and overall build quality. When I compare them to a lot of other sub-$50 knives I've owned over the years, most of which have been made in China, they are like a breath of fresh air.
 
What is worse: a Chinese company making knives in China or an American company that does their manufacturing in China? Crediting the latter for being American feels a little off to me. If the former is making truly excellent knives for great prices, there is no contest in my mind.

I think that's the reason people like Civivi so much. The knives really are amazing for the price. It's not so much the designs but the materials and overall build quality. When I compare them to a lot of other sub-$50 knives I've owned over the years, most of which have been made in China, they are like a breath of fresh air.

Its not a matter of better or worse. I just prefer to support American companies. American knife makers are kind of like the big guitar makers - they have models that are American made and lesser models that aren't. I don't really have a problem with that, I would have a problem if they moved all of their manufacturing and production out of the country.

If you are an American you should also be asking yourself WHY is Civivi able to produce these knives using better quality materials, etc and sell them in America for cheaper than American brands? I'm not going to get into a political debate on a knife forum and its not like I even know the answer to that question, but it certainly should not be the case.
 
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I actually didn't know that Kizer's were Chinese. Now that I do its gone down on my list. I'm not necessarily totally against buying Chinese, its just that I'd rather buy American made first. Or at a minimum an American BRAND, even if the model is manufactured overseas. I've looked at the Civivi's and they have some OK models, but none that I like enough to even put on my list. There is one WE model that I do like but it'll probably be a long time before I actually buy it, if ever.

Anyway I just got my Pilar in the mail and first impressions: It is TINY. Way smaller than I expected, especially coming from a PM2, full size BM Barrage and even a Microtech UTX-85. I watched pretty much every youtube video review of the Pilar and none of them prepared me for how small it actually is. But that's not totally a bad thing. It is difficult for me to open with one hand because its so small, but man is it comfortable in the hand when its open. Clearly the Pilar was designed for whittling wood because it is AMAZING for that purpose, like unbelievably good. Even though its tiny the choil allows you to easily get all four fingers on it (and I have big hands) which gives you amazing control over the blade. I actually really like it. Its just going to take me some time to get over how small it is. Its also a little rough around the edges. There is some really bad machining around the edges of the frame lock, for example. Bad enough that I will file them down. But for a knife in this price bracket I can't really complain too much. Cool knife though.

Ah, no worries. Thank you for the added info on the Pilar. That's actually one I've been intrigued by also. Mostly because of the available aftermarket Flytanium copper scale for it. I've got a thing for copper, but have slowed down my purchases of 8cr blades. So the D2 version put it back on the list.

Would you mind posting up some pics of the Pilar in hand? I just recently received a couple tiny knives (ZT 0022 & Isham Abstruse). Would be interested to compare them in hand to the Pilar.
 
Here are some pics of the Pilar in my hand and for comparison purposes, my Paramilitary 2...

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Here are some pics of the Pilar in my hand and for comparison purposes, my Paramilitary 2...

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Thank you. Looks to be just a hair larger than my new ZT 0022. And while it is a short two finger grip, it really locks in place with those deep finger grooves. I'm really liking this little guy.

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Yea that ZT looks even smaller. Wow, two finger knife? I'd pass on that, how do you even work with it.?
 
Looks to be just a hair larger than my new ZT 0022. And while it is a short two finger grip, it really locks in place with those deep finger grooves. I'm really liking this little guy.

Yea that ZT looks even smaller. Wow, two finger knife? I'd pass on that, how do you even work with it.?

It depends on the work. A tiny blade like that can really shine in places you see people using chintzy box cutters or utility knives. That kind of handle shape does hook into the fingers for easy manipulation. Just as bflying discovered, the handiness will dawn on you once you start using it. I'd love to see a fixed blade version of that ZT 0022.

I have a little Tonife Squirrel that is super handy but super cheap. The handle shape is good. The sheath retains enough to carry loose in a pocket but conveniently pops off with a thumb press. With the sheath, it's still smaller than a lot of folders I own. The downside is 7Cr17Mov and permanent brass-like fittings. If I could get the $30-50 version of that with better materials, I'd be a happy camper.
 
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