Heads Up: eBay Ivory Ban

Try listing it with Mammoth Tusk instead?
I do believe the mammoths have been extinct for quite a while...
 
I've never understood this.

Why is it so God damn important for people to make knife handles out of a material that is produced by torturing and killing endangered animals? There's no reason whatsoever to use ivory, there are other materials that are identical and better for the purpose.
How the Hell can it ever be worth it to use this f#%@ing blood soaked material just to be able to say that you have an ivory handled knife? I would never touch one even if I got it for free.

How about NOT stocking up on on this crap and just use better materials instead.
 
Dr Heelhook said:
I've never understood this.

Why is it so God damn important for people to make knife handles out of a material that is produced by torturing and killing endangered animals? There's no reason whatsoever to use ivory, there are other materials that are identical and better for the purpose.
How the Hell can it ever be worth it to use this f#%@ing blood soaked material just to be able to say that you have an ivory handled knife? I would never touch one even if I got it for free.

How about NOT stocking up on on this crap and just use better materials instead.
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Certainly you can express your sentiments without the profanity.
 
OK, folks, Lets all take a deep breath.

There is certainly an argument for both sides. This forum is not the place for that debate (and language), however. Either take it to one of the appropriate forums, or let it be more civil.

As to the new policy (the original post info) it is in response to the continued illegal sale of ivory through ebay.It is usually listed as pre-ban, with no truth to that statement. Illegally harvested Walrus ivory is simply labeled "fossil" , and sold the same way.

Mammoth tusk may end up being a co-lateral casualty in the fight to control this illegal trade in ivory. I have heard that they will try to find a way to deal with this. But, to be honest, the crooks will probably list the walrus and elephant tusks as "mammoth", with statements like this, " I'm no expert, but I think this is a mammoth tusk".

It is sad to see the illegal trade affect those who are trying to stay with legal materials.
Stacy
 
Dr Heelhook said:
I've never understood this.

Why is it so God damn important for people to make knife handles out of a material that is produced by torturing and killing endangered animals? There's no reason whatsoever to use ivory, there are other materials that are identical and better for the purpose.
How the Hell can it ever be worth it to use this f#%@ing blood soaked material just to be able to say that you have an ivory handled knife? I would never touch one even if I got it for free.

How about NOT stocking up on on this crap and just use better materials instead.
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...lets ignore the fact that mammoth ivory is scavenged. That is, unless you are 10,000 years old and witnessed the cavemen killing those mammoths around the last time they existed.

:rolleyes:
 
bladsmth said:
It is sad to see the illegal trade affect those who are trying to stay with legal materials.
Stacy
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I agree very much.
Its funny because I was talking with bub the other day about handle material and I made a statement that i would be honored if when I'm dead someone wanted to make a knife handle out of my bone :rolleyes:.

I must admit I'm one of those people that love ivory but in no way approve of the slotter of these creatures just for the ivory. I see no problem at all in using mammoth ivory as when was one last seen. so eBay is going to restrict even mammoth related ivory. what about mammoth tooth? does that mean that they might move on to things like ironwood as its illegal to harvest it now. I know you can get the pre ban ivory from jantz and it comes with all the documentation paper work.
 
I personally like ivory. I do have a small stock-pile. (Mammoth and walrus that I know is pre ban because I've had it since 1974.)
I watched a documentary on elephant poaching. Since then I have refused to use elephant ivory. One thing that was discussed in the film was the warehouses of confiscated ivory, and that which was recovered from the bodies of animals that died of natural causes. They were talking about releasing tagged ivory to the world market. Then using the money to fund their game reserves and hire more game wardens. This would also drive the price and demand for illegal ivory down. Thus putting poachers out of business.
Dr Heelhook, as per your post I take it that you are an animal advocate. How would you feel about this. I am curious to your feelings on this matter.
 
sharpeknives said:
I personally like ivory. I do have a small stock-pile. (Mammoth and walrus that I know is pre ban because I've had it since 1974.)
I watched a documentary on elephant poaching. Since then I have refused to use elephant ivory. One thing that was discussed in the film was the warehouses of confiscated ivory, and that which was recovered from the bodies of animals that died of natural causes. They were talking about releasing tagged ivory to the world market. Then using the money to fund their game reserves and hire more game wardens. This would also drive the price and demand for illegal ivory down. Thus putting poachers out of business.
Dr Heelhook, as per your post I take it that you are an animal advocate. How would you feel about this. I am curious to your feelings on this matter.
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Yeah, the "toturing" comment was a dead giveaway.
 
bladsmth said:
It is sad to see the illegal trade affect those who are trying to stay with legal materials.
Stacy
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That's what I'm worried about. Elephant ivory always struck me as a status symbol material that people have always used just because it's expensive. Mammoth ivory on the other hand has fairly low ecological impact, tons of character, and I would hate to see dealers like Charles Turnage (who I bought mine from) get shut down because of this.
 
jdm61 said:
Yeah, the "toturing" comment was a dead giveaway.
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I thought they just killed them i did not know that they tortured them as well

sharpeknives that is a good question, I mean the reason the poachers poach ivory is because of its value. but if it was released from the government and the money was used to help the anamuls then the cost of the ivory would go down and there would be more funding for rangers to protect them. its like when they banned alcohol It became very popular to make and sell because there was big money in it. The same thing will happen with guns if the crazy's ever can pry them from my hands. where theirs a need there is some one to fill it any way possible.
 
Dr Heelhook said:
Yes, sorry, I was a little angry, but answer my questions instead.
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The answer ro one of your questions is that, in the minds of many buyers, there isn''t a "better" material to subsitute for ivory. That is why a really nice stag carver, whihc is probably the runner-up in perference might cost you $50-60 and a block of presentation grade mammoth ivory in some of the rare colors like blue or red can run you as much as $400. The ban on the ivory trade from legitimate souces, like government stockpiles of elephants that died from natural causes, legally hunted or culled animals and confiscated tusks actually serves, IMO, to hinder the anti-poaching effort. Like others have said, the money could be used to hire and equip more game wardens. Those guys are doing the best they can and they are making headway, but they have traqdtionally been outnumbered AND outgunned by the poachers in certain areas of Africa. In the areas where they have been succesfull, you are seeing instances where you have an "overpopulation" of elephants in certain areas.
 
jdm61 said:
Yeah, the "toturing" comment was a dead giveaway.
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most people who know their way around a gun enough to kill one these beast without being caught is not going to torture the animal. I don't do it illegally but I have killed hundreds of animals and none have suffered as much as they would if the died from disease or preditors if you don't like ivory, horn, or bone use g10 and go eat a carrot if you want a political debate we have a place for that and its not here
 
hevy ev's said:
most people who know their way around a gun enough to kill one these beast without being caught is not going to torture the animal. I don't do it illegally but I have killed hundreds of animals and none have suffered as much as they would if the died from disease or preditors if you don't like ivory, horn, or bone use g10 and go eat a carrot if you want a political debate we have a place for that and its not here
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+1.

I don't see cry-me-a-river posts about our use of leather for sheaths, giraffe bone for handles, stag for handles, rayskin for handles, frogskin for handles or buffalo horn for handles....to each his own. If you want to be a vegan knife collector, no one is stopping you, but its sad youll be stuck with kydex sheaths on $1,000 bowies. Those poor cows being tortured for their hides....
 
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