Heavy duty? I think not.

like em sharp said:
FFG knives, even thick ones aren't great for batoning, and he shouldn't have even tried once the edge took a roll.
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People love doing this stuff with their ESEE-6 knives, full flat grinds on all of that line of knives.

And for what it's worth, my CS leatherneck did not do this. I put a review up in the "Review Forum" SorryI didn't make a video, no windy diatribe, it is not supported by a volume of pictures, just the knife and my opinion.
 
ron_m80 said:
People love doing this stuff with their ESEE-6 knives, full flat grinds on all of that line of knives.
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Sure, there are plenty of FFG knives suitable for even the roughest stuff. ESEE, Busse, Becker, lots of others including Cold Steel.
The Beavertail just isn't the type.
 
That was some of the absolute worst done batonning I have ever seen.
And he really needed to baton to get dry wood...with a whole sack of prepackaged firewood.:D
 
I dont think the 1st log was from the package. It looked like aged oak or something to me. Did you see his goofy baton? It looked thinner than what we toast marshmallows with. :D
 
Did anyone see his son in the background copying him. That dude needs to lose the camera or turn it around to focus on what is important. :D
 
Why I always have a hatchet or axe when I am camping or chopping wood for a fire.

That said, it doesn't say much about that particular knife. I've done stupider things to much cheaper knives with what should be worse steel and heat treat and design, etc. and they survived and still work today.

Only 1 way to settle it....the videoman should get another cs same model knife and attack that same log and knot. we'll all have wait for the results before we pass judgement.:)
 
Shotgun said:
Am I the only one that sees the future of bushcraft in that vid? That little kid is going to town. His knife is bigger then mine.:eek:
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Just peed my pants a little when I read your post. That is hilarious and I was thinking the same thing!
 
like em sharp said:
2:50 minute mark. He just hits the knot and the knife won't go any further in, so he twists the handle in his hand to lever the wood apart instead of bringing the knife straight back up. But you're certainly right about the other things - FFG knives, even thick ones aren't great for batoning, and he shouldn't have even tried once the edge took a roll.
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wrong... the chip is already in the knife when he twists it. He hits the knot like 3 inches into the log and you can obviously see when it finally lets loose.
 
forcedestrike said:
I dont see whats so abusive about batonning?!
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According to Mirriam Webster, Abuse is defined as:

1: a corrupt practice or custom
2: improper or excessive use or treatment

Knives are generally designed to cut things. Knives are generally not designed to be smacked with large chunks of wood, nor are they designed to be used as splitting wedges or driven through knotty wood. Smacking your knives with large chunks of wood puts strain on them which they are not generally meant to withstand, and is therefore abusive.
 
Dorito Monk said:
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Knives are generally designed to cut things. Knives are generally not designed to be smacked with large chunks of wood, nor are they designed to be used as splitting wedges or driven through knotty wood. Smacking your knives with large chunks of wood puts strain on them which they are not generally meant to withstand, and is therefore abusive.
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Well, to be fair, some knives are probably designed exactly for that kind of use. Like CS Recon Tanto or SRK. I can not see how batoning could do any harm to these. Or prying... But at the time I owned them I did not care about batoning, so did not have any use for these "knives". And I never do any prying with my knives. So they are just not my type. ;)
 
Poez said:
Well, to be fair, some knives are probably designed exactly for that kind of use. Like CS Recon Tanto or SRK. I can not see how batoning could do any harm to these. Or prying... But at the time I owned them I did not care about batoning, so did not have any use for these "knives". And I never do any prying with my knives. So they are just not my type. ;)
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That is a good point. Like I said, knives are generally not meant to be used as splitting wedges and the like, but there are some knives that are designed to be pounded on like nobody's business. From what I've heard about Bussekin knives and some custom makers, I imagine that a lot of those knives are made with all kinds of hard use in mind.

However, I don't think there are any Cold Steel knives that are specifically designed to do that kind of thing, despite what you see in their promotional videos. Their warranty even specifically states: "Remember any knife or sword can break or fail if subjected to sufficient abuse, so please do not use our knives and swords inappropriately and remember no knife or sword should be used as an axe, hatchet, screwdriver, or pry bar".
 
Well I have batoned with my Ontario 12" machete, it is thin IMHO, it has not broke. Batoning is a requirement with all my large knives. I consider that "heavy use", but i certainly do not consider it abuse. I want to make SURE it is up to the task in a controlled enviroment, so i KNOW it will perform in wilderness/hostile/SHTF enviroment. Thats just me. I always look for products that are built tough/overbuilt. I have gotten my BK9 & BK7 so stuck in the same log that i could'nt budge em. I had to use my BK2 1/4" thick knife & batoned it point first by hitting the extended tang, to split it in two. None of the 3 broke, bent or chipped. If they did, i would not have complained because i was REALLY wailing on them. I was NOT fond of his batoning tecnique in the video either. I guess it comes down to what you want/expect your blades to do. I do know from my point of view, I want a knife that will absolutely not fail when i need it most. Yet i also know that each knife has its limitations. The key is to know them without breaking them.
 
The definition of abuse changes as society adapts to viewing certain tools in a different light, modern manufacturers know how popular batonning is and when a knife is marketed as tough one can expect it to withstand such "abuse".

My Mora is 1.5mm thick and demolishes logs with absolutely no problem, if cutting was the only prerequisite of a good knife then we would all be packing 1mm thick FFG or Hollow ground blades in S90V.

But we have other needs (or just wants) from our knives hence we have 1/4 thick monsters and 3/16 of an inch thick "combat" knives like what the thread is talking about- why would anyone carry them if all we did was cut/slice?

I have been on BF longer than you so kindly remember that other people have other opinions (and tastes) and just because they differ from yours does not mean they "fail"- if my 1.5mm stick tang mora can baton then surely a modern cold steel "combat/survival" knife should be able to also.





As a side-note; batonning is *fun* , we dont require a "need" for it. We dont "need" overbuilt folders and we dont always "need" to just cut. Sometimes we like to destroy big pieces of wood with a small knife.



Dorito Monk said:
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According to Mirriam Webster, Abuse is defined as:

1: a corrupt practice or custom
2: improper or excessive use or treatment

Knives are generally designed to cut things. Knives are generally not designed to be smacked with large chunks of wood, nor are they designed to be used as splitting wedges or driven through knotty wood. Smacking your knives with large chunks of wood puts strain on them which they are not generally meant to withstand, and is therefore abusive.
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What's so hard to understand about beating a knife with a LOG! through a knot in another log is not a good idea or a smart one.
 
Ive batoned the living crap out of a timber rattler 7 inch bowie (8 dollar knife) with more force, than that and it never even chipped/dented. What a shame for cold steel!
 
why all the buy an axe comments? any decent fixed blade should be more than able to baton, question, how many blades of different types am i supposed to carry with me when im outdoors? i guess when i go fishing i should take a fillet knife, a slime knife, a larger blade for cutting through bone, a smaller knife for cutting the line, a knife to spread some peanut butter on my sandwiches, and a SAK just because its red??? guess ive been doing it all wrong in 10+ years of commercial fishing..

now when i go for a hike and plan on doing a fire to cook lunch, i'll order an axe off the net ('cuz its near impossible to find one for sale here) to go along with my pocketknife, heck wait i cant use my pocketknife for food prep, because there are knives designed for that purpose right? :S sigh im confused..


my point is, a knife that peforms well in a wide variety of chores is what i look for, and what anyone with common sense should look for, at a msrp of almost $90.00, i for one think that there are better options out there.
 
I remember being a youngster around when LT hit Blade with his showmanship and destructive testing, I wasn't there I just read about it in the magazines and saw the advertising. I don't see Mr. T bending his knives in a vice and shredding manilla line, or boasting them up now that they are made in Taiwan :D

The battening in the video was extreme and unnecessary. However it bring out the HT flaw in the production blade, so maybe a little baton now and then to see what your $50 has bought you makes sense to some degree?
 
Isn't it called the Leatherneck SF? As in "Marine Kabar copy Special Forces knife? It sounds like it was made for prying apart crates of ammo. Kind of like calling a movie "Rambo Destroy's the World" and finding it's actually the sequal to "When Harry Met Sally". The name implies the knife is serious combat tool, not just a good summer sausage slicer or spoon carver.

Seth, I've noticed a post in the general forum about a knife's ability will bring one of two responses: get an axe or get a Mora/SAC?etc. Usually this is coupled with "learn some skills". Probably good advice, but usually not related to the actual post/question posed. We all have opinions and I was a little annoyed by all this axe stuff at first. Now I find myself eyeballing Wetterlings Wildlife Axes:). Darn Blade Forums! Take care.
 
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