Help!! Gun fans

TL, this model bayonet is something that has been lashed together for years and one even hangs in the Kathmandu Museum, but is an early repro. The saddest thing is that original Brown Bess bayonets were cut up for the socket and some of the kukris were good original pieces.

The attached picture shows the actual type used for ceremonies. This is of the Anglo-Nepal Treaty signing in 1816 done on scene. This bayonet is a bit cruder and longer. There is also a bayonet that has a yataghan style blade and is stamped with EICo and Nepali marks. The bayonet experts tell me they are kind of a Holy Grail. I don't put much value to these frequently seen "repros".
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The gun is real, and I am sure it was designed and made for Spec Ops by non other than Kevin McClung. If you dont already recognise the name, Mad Dog Knives may ring a bell. The gun was reviewed some years back by SOF magazine. I read the article on it.

Just spent nearly an hour trying to find some info on the net, but no luck. More than likely it will be found in Peter Kokalis's book on the various SOF magazine articles he wrote.

Now then, what can I remember? Not much. It used a special cartridge that sealed off the chamber when firing, thereby eliminating noise. Intresting stuff, but very definately not for the civilian market, which is probably why its not well know.
 
Bex, I don't understand. By 'sealing' you mean from the breech end? There is no such thing as a sealed chamber. They call sealed chambers pipe bombs.


munk
 
Originally posted by Bex
The gun is real, and I am sure it was designed and made for Spec Ops by non other than Kevin McClung. If you dont already recognise the name, Mad Dog Knives may ring a bell. The gun was reviewed some years back by SOF magazine. I read the article on it.

Just spent nearly an hour trying to find some info on the net, but no luck. More than likely it will be found in Peter Kokalis's book on the various SOF magazine articles he wrote.

Now then, what can I remember? Not much. It used a special cartridge that sealed off the chamber when firing, thereby eliminating noise. Intresting stuff, but very definately not for the civilian market, which is probably why its not well know.
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:D :D :D (Bex, you forgot to tell them about the laser sight.)
 
Originally posted by munk
Bex, I don't understand. By 'sealing' you mean from the breech end? There is no such thing as a sealed chamber. They call sealed chambers pipe bombs.


munk
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Rusians made a revolver, called a "Nagant," (I think) where the cylinder cammed forward to insert the neck of the cartridge into the forcing cone of the barrel before the hammer fell, creating less gas leakage and less noise. Of course, it was not "silent" as the round projected its bullet at consderably above the speed of sound" CRACK! Also one H@#$ of a long, tough trigger pull. Continued in use through WWII and turned up in Korea and Vietnam.


However, in this case, the barrel WAS sealed, the bullet emerging by beam transferrence about 12" in front of the end of the barrel.
 
Tom, the idea of the Nagant was to increase the power of the round by preventing leakage. It was not particularly successful in that respect but it worked as a revolver and saw good service until it was replaced by the Tokarev.
 
Originally posted by StmmZaum
Tom, the idea of the Nagant was to increase the power of the round by preventing leakage. It was not particularly successful in that respect but it worked as a revolver and saw good service until it was replaced by the Tokarev.
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Yes. I have a 1939 that was arsenal refinished in 1945 -- beautiful bluing job.

But that doesn't answer Munk's question about the "Scott Effect" in silencing revolvers fpr Special Ops use.
 
True, though I think he missunderstood the sealing the chamber thing. If you put a sort of muzzel break on a pistol and sealed the gap between the chamber and the barrel logically you could reduce the volume of the shot considerably if you used a sub sonic round (.45 even, which was used to good effect in the De Lisle Silent Carbine).
 
Originally posted by StmmZaum
True, though I think he missunderstood the sealing the chamber thing. If you put a sort of muzzel break on a pistol and sealed the gap between the chamber and the barrel logically you could reduce the volume of the shot considerably if you used a sub sonic round (.45 even, which was used to good effect in the De Lisle Silent Carbine).
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Yes, Des Lisle was an improvment, but did not hold a candle to Scott beam transferrence.
 
Fair point, though according to the likes of Ian Hogg it is the only fully silent firearm (though that may not be true now if the Scott is a new system).
 
Originally posted by StmmZaum
Fair point, though according to the likes of Ian Hogg it is the only fully silent firearm (though that may not be true now if the Scott is a new system).
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Actually, I first became aware of the system perfected by Montgomery Scott in the 1960's.
 
There are true sealed breech designed handguns; as noted revolvers make noise through the barrel cylinder gap. Even in my Lone Eagle, though, about as sealed as you're going to get between moving parts of metal, it makes BIG BANG at end of barrel.


There was a silencer genius I read about several years ago. He beat out the existing military devices. I wonder what happened to him and his design?


Thanks to you who posted about the Nagant. I should have known more of it- but never owned one and never looked. Would you believe I've thought of a camming cylinder in a revolver? Not for noise reduction, but power.

So here once again I learn there's nothing new under the Sun.

Will one of you please explain "Beam transference' please? There is no sealed chamber if you want a projectile to emerge.



munk
 
BTW: Is Ian Hogg dead? He was an authority from Britian I could stand. He was so likable and knowledgable. He obviously loved guns.




munk
 
I think he is dead, he was a real expert on his subject and used almost every firearm he rated.
 
Originally posted by munk
Thanks to you who posted about the Nagant. I should have known more of it- but never owned one and never looked. Would you believe I've thought of a camming cylinder in a revolver? Not for noise reduction, but power.

So here once again I learn there's nothing new under the Sun.

Will one of you please explain "Beam transference' please? There is no sealed chamber if you want a projectile to emerge.

munk
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Munk, the actual measurments proved that there was little actualy improvement in performance using the Nagant design. The large power charge pused the tiny bullet at a high velocity (for the day_ whether the Nagant or a conventinoal system was used.

As for the Scott system, I must refer you to "Beam Transferrence in Projectile Weapons," Commander Montgomery Scott, SFA Publications (reprint 2967). In that publication, Scott refers to actual field experiences in the reduction of "report."
 
HAHAH!!!! I just got it Thomas, genius, total genius! Can I tell them or don't you want me to give it away.
 
Yes Captain, the dilithium crystals are gonna blow. Whenever I want someone to talk over me I'll be sure and look for Thomas Linton and StmmZaum.


munk
 
Hehehe, sorry Munk, I feel daft now having looked up the scott principle on the net:( . I found something about the doppler shift.
 
She's given' us all she can, Captain. Any more and she's gonna' blow! (but VERY quietly in the vacuum of outer space). :D
 
I go away and get something to eat and look at what I come back to...a Star Trek convention..eeesh...you'll all be calling your khukri by Klingon names next...I can just see the thread on Klingon applications of a khukri in combat...pipe bomb...I like that...Everyones a comedian now...the damn things a converted Ruger Redhawk...uses special cartridges that seal of the gap between the cylinder and the breach...you happy now...go and ask SOF magazine if yer not...tried searching for the damn thing online but keep coming up with damn computer game sites...now there are some people who really need to get a life...just like those damn trekkies... ;)
 
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