Help me choose: ZT350, Spyderco

[hwpaintballer]

...nevermind.

Wait, what do you mean flip it over and use the sharpened side?

 

[Josh K]

Wait, what do you mean flip it over and use the sharpened side?

Oh. Whoops. :foot:




















Nice one.

 

[hunter s thompson]

The ZT lineup doesn't even cut well. It's an overbuilt prybar. If it can't slice, no dice.

Sounds pretty set in stone to me...

The ZT lineup doesn't cut well for me. It was a personal opinion, not set in stone fact.

...or maybe not.
Once again little joshie gets put in his place and backs down from one of his famous absolute statements. Look we all get it, in your opinion the Millie is the greatest knife ever. We all don't share that opinion. Spyderco is an excellent company that makes some excellent knives but they are not the be all end all of the knife world, if they were then no one else would make knives and we would all carry blades with holes in them. So for the love of Pete just cut it lose please. To the original poster IMHO I think what would serve you best is a fixed blade ( maybe look at something from RAT cutlery) between the two folders you asked about the ZT would probably be the better choice just because it is a heavier folder. Good luck and remember all of this stuff is just someone else's opinion.

 

[Josh K]

Sounds pretty set in stone to me...


...or maybe not.
Once again little joshie gets put in his place and backs down from one of his famous absolute statements. Look we all get it, in your opinion the Millie is the greatest knife ever. We all don't share that opinion. Spyderco is an excellent company that makes some excellent knives but they are not the be all end all of the knife world, if they were then no one else would make knives and we would all carry blades with holes in them. So for the love of Pete just cut it lose please. To the original poster IMHO I think what would serve you best is a fixed blade ( maybe look at something from RAT cutlery) between the two folders you asked about the ZT would probably be the better choice just because it is a heavier folder. Good luck and remember all of this stuff is just someone else's opinion.

I never said it was the "be all end all" of the knife world. Where are you getting this? What "famous" absolute statements have I backed down on?

 

[hwpaintballer]

I never said it was the "be all end all" of the knife world. Where are you getting this? What "famous" absolute statements have I backed down on?

The recent, ZT knives can't cut the are over built prybars statement is one example. Also I'm sure you have described in almost every thread concerning a spyderco military, it to be the greatest knife ever.

 

[Josh K]

The recent, ZT knives can't cut the are over built prybars statement is one example. Also I'm sure you have described in almost every thread concerning a spyderco military, it to be the greatest knife ever.

Yeah, I knew of that one example.

 

[Josh K]

I don't either, it's really not that good and there are a lot of better options on the market in the same price range.

I had 2 of them and I won't ever buy another one.

Yep, or a cold chisel for about $10.

No really they loosened up long before I ever broke them.

They just aren't made for hard work, they are too delicate for real use when compared to other blades.

But you can't really do anything with them...... Other than easy stuff.

That means weak construction by the way.

Sure they cut just fine, they are overbuilt because they are made to take some punishment like they are advertised unlike some others that are under built and weak for the said market.

If you market a knife as a hard use knife or as a Military type knife then at least make it tough.

That I would like to see, I have done things like that when I had mine and they loosened up very quickly and didn't chop very well because they are too light and the blade profile is too thin for that kind of work.. LOL

Well I might be, but then I really use my knives for more than pocket ornaments or to show off to friends.

That's what hard use means, they should be able to take a certain amount of abuse without falling apart loosening up or snapping the blade easy.

That's how they marketed the knife anyway, I wouldn't recommend it for that personally because it's not strong enough for that.

Now as a normal EDC yeah they are fine.

vs.

What are you talking about? "Easy stuff"

The ZT lineup doesn't even cut well. It's an overbuilt prybar. If it can't slice, no dice.

Why is it I'm the one who has the problem?

 

[hwpaintballer]

Ankerson was stating that the military couldn't cut through a bolt using a sledge hammer, IMO that is pretty ignorant.

You stated that,"The ZT lineup doesn't even cut well. It's an overbuilt prybar. If it can't slice, no dice." That was a low blow with little evidence IMO.

 

[hunter s thompson]

The recent, ZT knives can't cut the are over built prybars statement is one example. Also I'm sure you have described in almost every thread concerning a spyderco military, it to be the greatest knife ever.

Josh To find other examples of statements you have backed down on just look at most of the Kershaw vs Spyderco threads you post in (read all of them) find your posts then find the post by Thomas then read your next post or two you'll find them. As for you saying the Millie is the be all end all knife just look at how many times you recommend it . It doesn't matter what the question is either. Whats the best knife to spread peanut butter? kill a dragon? cut a car into bite size pieces? your answer to all of the above is... Millie Millie Millie. Now heres where you deny it all and act like I am trolling you. So be it I for one am sick of it.

 

[orthogonal1]

Ankerson was stating that the military couldn't cut through a bolt using a sledge hammer, IMO that is pretty ignorant.

Ankerson never made any statemnt as to bolt cutting with the Military.

Ankerson indicated the Military model knife or knives he had became loose under his use.

Ankerson, you should point these inaccurracies out when dealing with "fanboys".

I don't have a ZT350. Just not my "thing".

I do have a few Military models and they are nice knives for up to what I consider "medium use". Great slicers with a great handle. Not big on liner-locks made by anyone at the moment.

I was under the impression that was Sal's intent in the design, to me a great "medium use" knife, since most soldiers have a bayonnet or such close by.

 

[Ankerson]

Josh To find other examples of statements you have backed down on just look at most of the Kershaw vs Spyderco threads you post in (read all of them) find your posts then find the post by Thomas then read your next post or two you'll find them. As for you saying the Millie is the be all end all knife just look at how many times you recommend it . It doesn't matter what the question is either. Whats the best knife to spread peanut butter? kill a dragon? cut a car into bite size pieces? your answer to all of the above is... Millie Millie Millie. Now heres where you deny it all and act like I am trolling you. So be it I for one am sick of it.

Seems like it all exploded to me when I was gone for a bit. lol

I noticed that too by the way and I am not picking on Josh at all as I see it a lot not just from him.

My main point is there are different grades of knives, pick or recommend the one that will suit the task at hand the best.

Not the same knife for everything or the same company for that matter.

I don't promote any one company, never have because I don't work for any of them.

 

[hwpaintballer]

Yeah, some people use their knives to cut things, not chop bolts.

The Military is one of the best slicers on the market. Pair that with an expansive handle, it's fly weight construction, perfect ergos, and a thinness that makes the knife disappear in your pocket, and you will realize why it has such a large following.

But you can't really do anything with them...... Other than easy stuff.

That means weak construction by the way.

Ankerson never made any statemnt as to bolt cutting with the Military.

Ankerson indicated the Military model knife or knives he had became loose under his use.

Ankerson, you should point these inaccurracies out when dealing with "fanboys".

I don't have a ZT350. Just not my "thing".

I do have a few Military models and they are nice knives for up to what I consider "medium use". Great slicers with a great handle. Not big on liner-locks made by anyone at the moment.

I was under the impression that was Sal's intent in the design, to me a great "medium use" knife, since most soldiers have a bayonnet or such close by.

How much reading did you do before this post?
I suspect not much, also I suspect that you didn't know that ankerson has recently broken a military trying to cut through a bolt. Also before you go and call me a fan boy read some of my posts, they are for the most part unbiased and I listed the pros and cons of both knives mention. I didn't just state, "the military is weak" or "The ZT is an dull overbuilt prybar".

 

[harkamus]

Wait a min, is Ankerson noss4?

I'd go with an 0350. It cuts fine to me. I can whittle hairs with it too.

EDIT: I don't do any of the above knife abuse activities like bolt cutting. If I wanted to cut a bolt, I'd take it to my table saw.

 

[Ankerson]

Ankerson never made any statemnt as to bolt cutting with the Military.

Ankerson indicated the Military model knife or knives he had became loose under his use.

Ankerson, you should point these inaccurracies out when dealing with "fanboys".

I don't have a ZT350. Just not my "thing".

I do have a few Military models and they are nice knives for up to what I consider "medium use". Great slicers with a great handle. Not big on liner-locks made by anyone at the moment.

I was under the impression that was Sal's intent in the design, to me a great "medium use" knife, since most soldiers have a bayonnet or such close by.

I did snap one on a screw years ago, (I should have known better being it has a thin blade profile) but I had posted that in another thread.

In this thread I stated they both loosened up way before I broke them, and they did.

 

[Josh K]

Ankerson never made any statemnt as to bolt cutting with the Military.

Ankerson indicated the Military model knife or knives he had became loose under his use.

Ankerson, you should point these inaccurracies out when dealing with "fanboys".

I don't have a ZT350. Just not my "thing".

I do have a few Military models and they are nice knives for up to what I consider "medium use". Great slicers with a great handle. Not big on liner-locks made by anyone at the moment.

I was under the impression that was Sal's intent in the design, to me a great "medium use" knife, since most soldiers have a bayonnet or such close by.

Blah blag blag. Such fan boys. (By using "fan boys" and the sarcastic "rolleyes" smiley I am referring to the post above, not anyone in this thread.)

There was a thread in which he stated he broke two Militarys. One prying apart a log, the other after trying to cut a bolt.

 

[Josh K]

Josh To find other examples of statements you have backed down on just look at most of the Kershaw vs Spyderco threads you post in (read all of them) find your posts then find the post by Thomas then read your next post or two you'll find them. As for you saying the Millie is the be all end all knife just look at how many times you recommend it . It doesn't matter what the question is either. Whats the best knife to spread peanut butter? kill a dragon? cut a car into bite size pieces? your answer to all of the above is... Millie Millie Millie. Now heres where you deny it all and act like I am trolling you. So be it I for one am sick of it.

Spreading peanut butter? Butter knife.
Kill a dragon? Enchanted sword.
Cut a car into bite size pieces? I'm giving you a referral to Lynn Thompson for that one.

Look at how often people recommend the ZT line when asked for a general EDC blade.

I'm not denying I like the Military, I just think your perception is screwed.

 

[hwpaintballer]

Blah blag blag. Such fan boys.

Find one low blow or inaccurate post I have made about any company, any company at all.

 

[Josh K]

Find one low blow or inaccurate post I have made about any company, any company at all.

I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to his "fan boy" reference in the post I quoted.

 

[hwpaintballer]

Look at how often people recommend the ZT line when asked for a general EDC blade.

I'm not denying I like the Military, I just think your perception is screwed.

Yes there are a lot of people who recommend ZTs, it starts to sound like a broken record when one person runs around and it looks like all they know how to post is sprderco military, even when the description of what the OP wants is heavily leaning towards a different knife.

 

[Ankerson]

Blah blag blag. Such fan boys. (By using "fan boys" and the sarcastic "rolleyes" smiley I am referring to the post above, not anyone in this thread.)

There was a thread in which he stated he broke two Militarys. One prying apart a log, the other after trying to cut a bolt.

In my post I said it was a screw, not a bolt.