Help me choose: ZT350, Spyderco

[harkamus]

These posts never end well. By now Modkevin probably left this thread.

 

[Josh K]

Yes there are a lot of people who recommend ZTs, it starts to sound like a broken record when one person runs around and it looks like all they know how to post is sprderco military, even when the description of what the OP wants is heavily leaning towards a different knife.

The OP wanted some opinions on the ZT vs. Military for "an all around multi purpose knife that will be top quality."

In my post I said it was a screw, not a bolt.

Could have sword you said bolt, maybe that was just me.

 

[hunter s thompson]

Spreading peanut butter? Butter knife.
Kill a dragon? Enchanted sword.
Cut a car into bite size pieces? I'm giving you a referral to Lynn Thompson for that one.

I think thats the first time I ever saw you recommend any knife besides the military for anything. I don't read all your posts but it seems I run into quite a few on here and to the best of my knowledge thats a first.

I'm not denying I like the Military, I just think your perception is screwed.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[Ankerson]

The OP wanted some opinions on the ZT vs. Military for "an all around multi purpose knife that will be top quality."



Could have sword you said bolt, maybe that was just me.

Yeah I said screw becuase there is just no way I would try and cut a bolt (They are hardened usually) with any knife. Screws are soft, most are brass that I have had to cut through over time.

 

[hwpaintballer]

I never said it was the "be all end all" of the knife world. Where are you getting this? What "famous" absolute statements have I backed down on?

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direct quotes from this month a lone,

Yes I've hit staples, yes I've found wire reinforcements where I didn't expect them. Only thing is my Military chews those up and doesn't take any edge damage. Maybe I got a dud?

Spyderco Military, Sage II, Paramilitary. :thumbup:

Military. The blade has the perfect profile for cutting the largest variety of things, add in the long handle and fly weight construction you have a killer that cannot be beat.

Mine has shredded some pockets due to how I wear the knife. Sometimes pulling it out is really rough, sometimes it's not.

Also, the blade isn't as thick as you'd think. I'd have to check when I get home, but I don't think it's as thick as a Military.

Military. More reliable, better ergos, more control, better method of opening. Try manipulating an Axis lock with heavy gloves on.

Military. :thumbup:

Military, is there even a competition? It's thin and light, fast to open, rides great in your pocket, and the tip is perfect for those small detail cuts you always end up having to make.

Nothing beats the Military. Thin, perfect blade shape, amazing ergos, and the best linerlock I've seen. :thumbup:

If you have no faith in liner locks you need to handle the Spyderco Military. Best liner lock in the business.

 

[Josh K]

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direct quotes from this month a lone,

Where in there did I say it was the be all end all?

Have you even looked into the context of those posts or just look for "Military" ?

 

[orthogonal1]

How much reading did you do before this post?
I suspect not much, also I suspect that you didn't know that ankerson has recently broken a military trying to cut through a bolt. Also before you go and call me a fan boy read some of my posts, they are for the most part unbiased and I listed the pros and cons of both knives mention. I didn't just state, "the military is weak" or "The ZT is an dull overbuilt prybar".

Nowhere in this thread did Ankerson indicate having cut a bolt with a Military. Nor, for that matter, did he acknowledge such.

As such, since only the Josh K and other "fan boys" mentioned it, one would believe the statement were the usual hyperbole.

Before you accuse anyone of not reading, and risk being grouped with such, perhaps you should read the thread and then simply point out where this broken Military is discussed in the cornecopia of threads available in this forum.

 

[hwpaintballer]

Where in there did I say it was the be all end all?

Well not exactly the "be all end all" but here you compare it to a hinderer XM-18,

From a "purely functional" point of view, that knife isn't very functional. Can't slice well, can't pierce well, very thick blade.

My vote goes for Spyderco Military. :thumbup:

Only till you pick up (and use!) the D2 Military. It's like stepping up from a tuner sports car to a Z28 '95 Camero.

 

[hunter s thompson]

Where in there did I say it was the be all end all?

OK OK you got me you tricky devil. You never said it was the be all end all but you did say (8 times in 15 days btw) How great the millie is. It sure looks like by your posts its the be all end all but thats just my opinion.

 

[Josh K]

Well not exactly the "be all end all" but here you compare it to a hinderer XM-18,

And the problem with comparing it to an XM-18?

Again, context is key, not just taking posts I've made and listing them.

 

[hwpaintballer]

I did snap one on a screw years ago, (I should have known better being it has a thin blade profile) but I had posted that in another thread.

In this thread I stated they both loosened up way before I broke them, and they did.

Nowhere in this thread did Ankerson indicate having cut a bolt with a Military. Nor, for that matter, did he acknowledge such.

As such, since only the Josh K and other "fan boys" mentioned it, one would believe the statement were the usual hyperbole.

Before you accuse anyone of not reading, and risk being grouped with such, perhaps you should read the thread and then simply point out where this broken Military is discussed in the cornecopia of threads available in this forum.

I do not feel like hunting down the link to the thread where he broke a military trying to cut through scews, but it was recently mentioned and I'm sure you are capable enough to find it yourself, and the quote from Ankerson above was on the previous page.

 

[Josh K]

OK OK you got me you tricky devil. You never said it was the be all end all but you did say (8 times in 15 days btw) How great the millie is. It sure looks like by your posts its the be all end all but thats just my opinion.

Should we start digging for threads about how people praise the ZT line? Or the BM Grip? How about the JYD or the Leek?

Isn't it just possible that I like the knife? That I would recommend it is a surprise?

 

[Josh K]

I do not feel like hunting down the link to the thread where he broke a military trying to cut through scews, but it was recently mentioned and I'm sure you are capable enough to find it yourself, and the quote from Ankerson above was on the previous page.

I looked but had trouble finding it.

Found it. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7132020#post7132020

 

[hwpaintballer]

And the problem with comparing it to an XM-18?

Again, context is key, not just taking posts I've made and listing them.

No problem with comparing any knife to any other knife as long as it is an unbiased comparison.

 

[orthogonal1]

Blah blag blag. Such fan boys. (By using "fan boys" and the sarcastic "rolleyes" smiley I am referring to the post above, not anyone in this thread.)

There was a thread in which he stated he broke two Militarys. One prying apart a log, the other after trying to cut a bolt.

One basis ones opinions based upon what one knows or has observed in some fashion, some thing you should try.

Ankerson, until after my previous post, never indicated he had done such nor was such a post pointed out.

Only known "fan boys" made such a statemnt alluding to the incident.

Apparently you also find the statement of "I do have a few Military models and they are nice knives for up to what I consider "medium use". Great slicers with a great handle. Not big on liner-locks made by anyone at the moment.

I was under the impression that was Sal's intent in the design, to me a great "medium use" knife, since most soldiers have a bayonnet or such close by." also being inaccurate.


And just for you, since you like the symbol so much:

 

[Josh K]

No problem with comparing any knife to any other knife as long as it is an unbiased comparison.

Everyone is biased, that's something you cannot avoid.

I handled the XM-18 in the passaround and really wanted to love the knife. It even comes with a tip down option, how bad could it really be? I just didn't like it, my opinion.

 

[Josh K]

One basis ones opinions based upon what one knows or has observed in some fashion, some thing you should try.

Just like you, giving opinions on the Military without handling it?

Ankerson, until after my previous post, never indicated he had done such nor was such a post pointed out.

No, he said it a while ago in another thread, and never disputed the fact.

Only known "fan boys" made such a statemnt alluding to the incident.

Right, hand out labels.

Apparently you also find the statement of "I do have a few Military models and they are nice knives for up to what I consider "medium use". Great slicers with a great handle. Not big on liner-locks made by anyone at the moment.

I also find the statement what? Finish up with something. I find it good? Bad? Wrong? Right?

I was under the impression that was Sal's intent in the design, to me a great "medium use" knife, since most soldiers have a bayonnet or such close by." also being inaccurate.

Why? Say something or give an opinion and back it up. Better yet, head over to the Spyderco forum and ask him yourself. There are several threads detailing the Military's design process.


And just for you, since you like the symbol so much:

Very mature, that last bit.

 

[hwpaintballer]

Should we start digging for threads about how people praise the ZT line? Or the BM Grip? How about the JYD or the Leek?

Isn't it just possible that I like the knife? That I would recommend it is a surprise?

Yes if you can find one person who in the past month has made over 10 posts recommending one certain knife almost exclusively then I will gladly apologize.

 

[Josh K]

Yes if you can find one person who in the past month has made over 10 posts recommending one certain knife almost exclusively then I will gladly apologize.

In the past month I haven't recommended any other knives?

 

[Ankerson]

Everyone is biased, that's something you cannot avoid.

Maybe to a certian point most people tend to be about certian things, but I personally try to be more open minded about most things.

If I recommend knives and I have, and not only the same brand or model either I put the knife with the task at hand if I feel it will fit into that purpose. That's whay I ask what they are going to do with it before I recommend a knife.

I own a lot of knives from different makers, mostly fixed blades though.