help me understand spydercos!

I have always thought they were ugly and stupid too. Then last saturday at the gun show, I actually held a few in my hand. I have never held a knife that felt so good. It just screamed quality, like I would've never imagined, and the thumb hole is exponentially superior to any thumb stud. I guess a spyderco is kind of like an homely chick that you actually like talking too, and is a beast in the sack - you'll probably eventually grow to love her for what she is, and get past her looks...
 
What's to understand about spydercos? They are knives that have one-handed opening holes in them. A lot of people here do enjoy spydercos, but not everyone. I purchased an FFG Endura, and my father and I both can't seem to connect with it. His $17 Kabar Dozier opens more smoothly than the Endura, and it's lighter, too. My Buck Vantage Pro just knocks it out every time I look at it -- better steel for the same price, smoother opening, better scale material, deep pocket clip, and IMO better warranty. I really do want to like the Endura because it's the most expensive knife I have purchased myself, but it just doesn't live up to the hype.

Spydercos are priced comparatively high (in my opinion), since VG-10 is usually likened on this forum to Buck 420hc and Kershaw 13c26 Sandvik, and just slightly lower than AUS-8. So why is the price on a Delica/Endura almost twenty more dollars than a Buck 110/vantage select, Kershaw leek/blur, or thirty more than the Kabar Dozier? I feel likes it's brand name, and it's deservedly riding on the fact that it invented the Spydie hole and the pocket clip. I think that knife forums usually like Spydercos because Spydies fill a certain niche (along with Benchmade) of knives priced right between sub-$50 knives and customs. They are also the only knives (once again along with Benchmade) that have the big opening hole, which I do actually like. I don't find Spydercos ugly either. I like having an eclectic collection of knives, all of them looking fairly different. I just think they are too hyped up and that they are overpriced by about $10 to $25.

I also want to try to debunk some theories I see on spydie threads like these constantly.

The ol' function over form theory is just rather ridiculous. A spyderco knife isn't going to be as tough as a CS knife with a Tri-Ad lock, right? The tip on an FFG will break off before a thicker drop-point, I assume. VG-10 is compared to knife steels costing about 30% less. Most knives have pocket clips now. I just think that no sane person would say that Spydercos out-perform all other knives that may happen to appeal more aesthetically than a Spyderco to someone else. It's not like the Spydies are mini folding King Kongs or something. What they do have distinct is the Spydie hole... which is the one thing I like about the Endura!

So I have sent in a Buck 110 for a new blade because my friend broke the tip off my first and favorite knife ever. I received a new blade free of charge. Fantastic service. I see in this thread that Spyderco does not replace blades free of charge. It seems that you must pay for them? I think that the Delica/Endura have been made for more than 20 years, so why wouldn't there be a plethora of replacement VG-10 blades? I just think that if someone goes through the hassle of sending in a broken knife blade one time, he is probably a knife nut and doesn't usually destroy blades on high-priced Spyderco knives... I think that blade replacement is a superb customer service, and Spyderco just doesn't have it. I may never need it, but I would rather have it. And if I did ever by sprint runs, I would probably never lend those out to friends to break, I understand the sprint run blades. I just don't understand the lack of VG-10 and s30v replacements. You are already paying a $15 premium over other similar companies, but you can't get a replacement for a base model knife like the Delica/Endura/Military/PM?

I also don't think that Spydercos were the first tactical knife. I've seen several bayonets from the world wars that would like to argue with that statement. They might just be the first folding tactical knife, but I haven't even done the research on that, so I don't know.

Ok, and I see and hear that Spyderco listens to their customer base on these forums, but I don't understand what kind of company wouldn't listen?? I guess Kershaw hasn't yet with the wailing over their bead-blasted rust-magnet steel knives, but in every other instance a respectable knife manufacturer seems to do this: listen to their customers. This especially goes for sprint runs since who else is buying these knives other than US knife frea...er... aficionados posting on online Spyderco forums and/or loyal knife collector? Why wouldn't you listen to your biggest customer base?? Spyderco would ultimately just die out at the price range they demand if they didn't listen. I'm just trying to say this isn't an extra plus for a knife company, it should be standard for a respectable company.

This is kind of a long, long ramble and no one is even reading this except some creeper who goes through all my posts and then reads them, but I personally think that Spydercos are over-priced, over-hyped, and very nice knives. I think that they look great in a different yet familiar kind of way, and that one would be more likely to convince someone that the sky is clear (WAIT, it really IS!) before changing someone's educated opinions about knives.

I kind of get nauseated by the constant adoration for Spyderco when the benefits of the company seem extremely similar to most other reputable knife companies (barring the Spydie hole!), but I'll always have a constant love for Buck, so I guess I can understand. Of course, y'all still suckered me into wanting a ParaMilitary 2. And that pivot bushing system better be perfect and smooth when I get it, or else! dun dun dunnnnn

My sequel book should be on shelves in mid-November. Thanks
 
I guess Kershaw hasn't yet with the wailing over their bead-blasted rust-magnet steel knives

I have about 30 Kershaws and I haven't let out a wail , nor heard one yet. Like your drama eh?


I kind of get nauseated by the constant adoration for Spyderco

and

I also want to try to debunk some theories I see on spydie threads like these constantly.

I could care less if you like Spyderco knives or not but you do a disservice to readers who are looking for real information by getting about every fact wrong. You should really do some research before posting or you look pretty bad. No, don't expect me to correct info you can find out yourself. How WW2 Bayonets compare to folding knives is way beyond me. I don't see it and I've collected knives for over 40 years.


If you are reading this and looking for info on Spyderco knives just ignore the above post. Do some research yourself on VG10, Spyderco's warranty and what they do with knives that break blades that fall under warranty, etc.

Domer, nobody is saying you shouldn't like Buck knives. I do, and have a bunch of them. Just pull your head out of your a$$ about other brands of knives, and knife collecting in general. Post on what you actually know and don't just make stuff up. Learning is a good thing.

Joe
 
Spydercos are priced comparatively high (in my opinion), since VG-10 is usually likened on this forum to Buck 420hc and Kershaw 13c26 Sandvik, and just slightly lower than AUS-8.

I found a ton of stuff in your post to be questionable or flat out wrong, but this one stood out the most. Where in the world did you come up with this?
 
I found a ton of stuff in your post to be questionable or flat out wrong, but this one stood out the most. Where in the world did you come up with this?

Yes, and I would add to that the assertion that Spyderco knives are over-priced relative to comparable knives. In fact, they are either on par or in some cases significantly LESS expensive when materials, design and performance are considered.
 
I don't buy to collect but for Mules? I'm afraid i have to start one.

Sal Glesser is one of the coolest cat around.
 
Spydercos are priced comparatively high (in my opinion),
I agree with some of you points but not the price issue. Isn't price a subjective point? For me a Spyderco knife or any of my nearly 60+ folders are a want not a necessity. If Spyderco knives were over priced the market would reflect that and sales would suffer. No I don't know there financials or sales unit numbers. Your were right to say (in my opinion). Most succesful products are priced correctly. Do I wish that Spydercos cost less - yes. But I do think they are worth the cost or I would not buy them.
 
I think in general Spydercos are exceptional values. However, some knives seem overpriced -- and I think suffer for it in the market. The Dialex Junior seems way overpriced to me, as do the Balance and Sharbaria and others. But a basic Manix 2 or even Para 2 seems like an extraordinary bargain.
 
What's to understand about spydercos? They are knives that have one-handed opening holes in them. A lot of people here do enjoy spydercos, but not everyone. I purchased an FFG Endura, and my father and I both can't seem to connect with it. His $17 Kabar Dozier opens more smoothly than the Endura, and it's lighter, too. My Buck Vantage Pro just knocks it out every time I look at it -- better steel for the same price, smoother opening, better scale material, deep pocket clip, and IMO better warranty. I really do want to like the Endura because it's the most expensive knife I have purchased myself, but it just doesn't live up to the hype.

Spydercos are priced comparatively high (in my opinion), since VG-10 is usually likened on this forum to Buck 420hc and Kershaw 13c26 Sandvik, and just slightly lower than AUS-8. So why is the price on a Delica/Endura almost twenty more dollars than a Buck 110/vantage select, Kershaw leek/blur, or thirty more than the Kabar Dozier? I feel likes it's brand name, and it's deservedly riding on the fact that it invented the Spydie hole and the pocket clip. I think that knife forums usually like Spydercos because Spydies fill a certain niche (along with Benchmade) of knives priced right between sub-$50 knives and customs. They are also the only knives (once again along with Benchmade) that have the big opening hole, which I do actually like. I don't find Spydercos ugly either. I like having an eclectic collection of knives, all of them looking fairly different. I just think they are too hyped up and that they are overpriced by about $10 to $25.

I also want to try to debunk some theories I see on spydie threads like these constantly.

The ol' function over form theory is just rather ridiculous. A spyderco knife isn't going to be as tough as a CS knife with a Tri-Ad lock, right? The tip on an FFG will break off before a thicker drop-point, I assume. VG-10 is compared to knife steels costing about 30% less. Most knives have pocket clips now. I just think that no sane person would say that Spydercos out-perform all other knives that may happen to appeal more aesthetically than a Spyderco to someone else. It's not like the Spydies are mini folding King Kongs or something. What they do have distinct is the Spydie hole... which is the one thing I like about the Endura!

So I have sent in a Buck 110 for a new blade because my friend broke the tip off my first and favorite knife ever. I received a new blade free of charge. Fantastic service. I see in this thread that Spyderco does not replace blades free of charge. It seems that you must pay for them? I think that the Delica/Endura have been made for more than 20 years, so why wouldn't there be a plethora of replacement VG-10 blades? I just think that if someone goes through the hassle of sending in a broken knife blade one time, he is probably a knife nut and doesn't usually destroy blades on high-priced Spyderco knives... I think that blade replacement is a superb customer service, and Spyderco just doesn't have it. I may never need it, but I would rather have it. And if I did ever by sprint runs, I would probably never lend those out to friends to break, I understand the sprint run blades. I just don't understand the lack of VG-10 and s30v replacements. You are already paying a $15 premium over other similar companies, but you can't get a replacement for a base model knife like the Delica/Endura/Military/PM?

I also don't think that Spydercos were the first tactical knife. I've seen several bayonets from the world wars that would like to argue with that statement. They might just be the first folding tactical knife, but I haven't even done the research on that, so I don't know.

Ok, and I see and hear that Spyderco listens to their customer base on these forums, but I don't understand what kind of company wouldn't listen?? I guess Kershaw hasn't yet with the wailing over their bead-blasted rust-magnet steel knives, but in every other instance a respectable knife manufacturer seems to do this: listen to their customers. This especially goes for sprint runs since who else is buying these knives other than US knife frea...er... aficionados posting on online Spyderco forums and/or loyal knife collector? Why wouldn't you listen to your biggest customer base?? Spyderco would ultimately just die out at the price range they demand if they didn't listen. I'm just trying to say this isn't an extra plus for a knife company, it should be standard for a respectable company.

This is kind of a long, long ramble and no one is even reading this except some creeper who goes through all my posts and then reads them, but I personally think that Spydercos are over-priced, over-hyped, and very nice knives. I think that they look great in a different yet familiar kind of way, and that one would be more likely to convince someone that the sky is clear (WAIT, it really IS!) before changing someone's educated opinions about knives.

I kind of get nauseated by the constant adoration for Spyderco when the benefits of the company seem extremely similar to most other reputable knife companies (barring the Spydie hole!), but I'll always have a constant love for Buck, so I guess I can understand. Of course, y'all still suckered me into wanting a ParaMilitary 2. And that pivot bushing system better be perfect and smooth when I get it, or else! dun dun dunnnnn

My sequel book should be on shelves in mid-November. Thanks

Read more , post less.

1234,,,,,:D
 
Hmm that's odd. I have my Spyderco Endura 4 out right now and it opens smoother than my CRK and my Strider haha.
 
Wall-o-text, misinformed, blah, blah. My sequel book should be on shelves in mid-November. Thanks

Might want to hold off on the sequel, this first edition is bound to languish on the $1.00 sale rack forever. Just sayin. ;)
 
My collection includes everything from Schrade slipjoints to Benchmade Autos, I've been collecting and using knives since before I could read, and I consider myself fairly open-minded when it comes to deciding on which manufacturers' knives to purchase. I'm not a Spyderco fanboy and have only owned a dozen or so since I began collecting. I find, (in my humble and limited experience), Spyderco's quality control, customer service, value to cost ratio, and design to be among the best manufacturers and have never seen any evidence to the contrary.

I guess what I'm saying is that a buck fanboy does not a knife expert make.
;)
 
What's to understand about spydercos? They are knives that have one-handed opening holes in them. A lot of people here do enjoy spydercos, but not everyone. I purchased an FFG Endura, and my father and I both can't seem to connect with it. His $17 Kabar Dozier opens more smoothly than the Endura, and it's lighter, too. My Buck Vantage Pro just knocks it out every time I look at it -- better steel for the same price, smoother opening, better scale material, deep pocket clip, and IMO better warranty. I really do want to like the Endura because it's the most expensive knife I have purchased myself, but it just doesn't live up to the hype. says you...SOG and Benchmade and countless unscrupulous overseas companies have knocked it off for the last 2 decades...

Spydercos are priced comparatively high (in my opinion), since VG-10 is usually likened on this forum to Buck 420hc and Kershaw 13c26 Sandvik, and just slightly lower than AUS-8. wrong. I don't know where you heard this, but don't listen to them anymore.So why is the price on a Delica/Endura almost twenty more dollars than a Buck 110/vantage select, Kershaw leek/blur, or thirty more than the Kabar Dozier? I feel likes it's brand name, and it's deservedly riding on the fact that it invented the Spydie hole and the pocket clip. I think that knife forums usually like Spydercos because Spydies fill a certain niche (along with Benchmade) of knives priced right between sub-$50 knives and customs. They are also the only knives (once again along with Benchmade) that have the big opening hole, which benchmade copied from spyderco and used for years in different incarnations before they decided to license itwhich I do actually like. I don't find Spydercos ugly either. I like having an eclectic collection of knives, all of them looking fairly different. I just think they are too hyped up and that they are overpriced by about $10 to $25.

I also want to try to debunk some theories I see on spydie threads like these constantly. nice try but you failed miserably

The ol' function over form theory is just rather ridiculous. uhhh...no it's not, Sal Glesser, the president of spyderco, states the knives are "designed in the dark"A spyderco knife isn't going to be as tough as a CS knife with a Tri-Ad lock, right? spyderco makes some tough knives The tip on an FFG will break off before a thicker drop-point, probably, if you are prying with it. We are discussing steel, not glass. It is stronger than you think I assume. don't. you know what they say about assumingVG-10 is compared to knife steels costing about 30% less. uhhh. no... wrong again Most knives have pocket clips now. thanks to spyderco. just sayin'I just think that no sane person would say that Spydercos out-perform all other knives that may happen to appeal more aesthetically than a Spyderco to someone else. no one said they outperform. It's not like the Spydies are mini folding King Kongs or something. (( :confused: )) What they do have distinct is the Spydie hole... which is the one thing I like about the Endura!

So I have sent in a Buck 110 for a new blade because my friend broke the tip off my first and favorite knife ever. I received a new blade free of charge. Fantastic service. I see in this thread that Spyderco does not replace blades free of charge. It seems that you must pay for them? I think that the Delica/Endura have been made for more than 20 years, so why wouldn't there be a plethora of replacement VG-10 blades? you really should have read the rest of the thread before asking this. It is because spyderco is a small company and doesn't have the ability to keep a "plethora of replacement vg-10 blades" and the tooling and tolerances change from year to year making last year's blades perhaps not fitting as well as the recent stockI just think that if someone goes through the hassle of sending in a broken knife blade one time, he is probably a knife nut and doesn't usually destroy blades on high-priced Spyderco knives... I think that blade replacement is a superb customer service, and Spyderco just doesn't have it. I may never need it, but I would rather have it. And if I did ever by sprint runs, I would probably never lend those out to friends to break, I understand the sprint run blades. I just don't understand the lack of VG-10 and s30v replacements. You are already paying a $15 premium over other similar companies, but you can't get a replacement for a base model knife like the Delica/Endura/Military/PM? (( :confused: :confused: :confused: ))

I also don't think that Spydercos were the first tactical knife. I've seen several bayonets from the world wars that would like to argue with that statement. They might just be the first folding tactical knife, but I haven't even done the research on that, so I don't know. they were. read more, post less

Ok, and I see and hear that Spyderco listens to their customer base on these forums, but I don't understand what kind of company wouldn't listen?? I guess Kershaw hasn't yet with the wailing over their bead-blasted rust-magnet steel knives, but in every other instance a respectable knife manufacturer seems to do this: listen to their customers. This especially goes for sprint runs since who else is buying these knives other than US knife frea...er... aficionados posting on online Spyderco forums and/or loyal knife collector? Why wouldn't you listen to your biggest customer base?? Spyderco would ultimately just die out at the price range they demand if they didn't listen. I'm just trying to say this isn't an extra plus for a knife company, it should be standard for a respectable company. wow... it's not a plus for a small owner-operated knife company to listen to its customer base???? ok :confused:

This is kind of a long, long ramble and no one is even reading this except some creeper who goes through all my posts and then reads them, but I personally think that Spydercos are over-priced, over-hyped, and very nice knives. I think that they look great in a different yet familiar kind of way, and that one would be more likely to convince someone that the sky is clear (WAIT, it really IS!) before changing someone's educated opinions about knives.

I kind of get nauseated by the constant adoration for Spyderco when the benefits of the company seem extremely similar to most other reputable knife companies (barring the Spydie hole!), but I'll always have a constant love for Buck, so I guess I can understand. so someone's love of a certain brand of knife is nauseating to you, but you have a constant love for Buck? Of course, y'all still suckered me into wanting a ParaMilitary 2. And that pivot bushing system better be perfect and smooth when I get it, or else! dun dun dunnnnn

My sequel book should be on shelves in mid-November. Thanks

You really do need to read a LOT more and post a LOT less. Your post above was rife with misinformation and outright false statements. As was highlighted above, not knowing the differences between all of the cutlery steels is one thing but to post that VG-10 is comparable to 420HC and beneath AUS-8 and to claim that it is fact on this forum does a disservice to newcomers who actually do want to learn something about knives.

My "creeper" response is in bold above. I tried to maintain shiny footprints...
 
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I also am not a spyderco fan....eventhough I never had one. I think the hole is unattractive and prefer kershaw and benchmade.
 
Spydercos are priced comparatively high (in my opinion), since VG-10 is usually likened on this forum to Buck 420hc and Kershaw 13c26 Sandvik, and just slightly lower than AUS-8.

You have absolutely no f*cking clue what you're talking about. None. None at all. Nobody thinks VG-10 is on the same level of ANY of those steels, you're straight up making up sh*t.
 
I think in general Spydercos are exceptional values. However, some knives seem overpriced -- and I think suffer for it in the market. The Dialex Junior seems way overpriced to me, as do the Balance and Sharbaria and others. But a basic Manix 2 or even Para 2 seems like an extraordinary bargain.

The Leafstorm leaps to mind as a little on the high side, like a few others - all those that come to mind (my mind, anyway) have been collarborations with outside designers. I would guess that the reason they're more expensive is royalty arrangements with the outside designer. Just for clarity, not all of the outside collaborations are "fully priced," either. Example: the Gayle Bradley is a very solid value at street prices.
 
personally, i like when people don't like spyderco...

more for me.

on a serious note, there's not many companies that go above and beyond quite like spyderco.

i find that the majority of people who are anti-spyderco are basing it on appearance without ever actually owning or handling one.

the funny part is, when i was younger (before i could afford a spydie) i used to think they were awesome looking and couldn't wait until i could afford one.

that was when i was 14 (which was 15 years ago) when 20 bucks was the most i could put out for a knife.

i have absolutely no problem with their prices these days and i think they're perfectly fair.
 
The Leafstorm leaps to mind as a little on the high side, like a few others - all those that come to mind (my mind, anyway) have been collarborations with outside designers. I would guess that the reason they're more expensive is royalty arrangements with the outside designer. Just for clarity, not all of the outside collaborations are "fully priced," either. Example: the Gayle Bradley is a very solid value at street prices.

Agree 100% on both the Leafstorm and the Gayle Bradley. I should have included the Leafstorm, since -- to me -- that's the classic overpriced small knife. I like it, I want it, but even second-hand ones don't seem to be priced right for my wallet. Kind of like the Benchmade 755 MPR. The Des Horn is also showing up with steep price drops, so the royalty arrangement theory could be right.

On the other hand, as pointed out, the Gayle Bradley seems priced right or even low for a knife that solid. Go figure.
 
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