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There isn't a manufacturer on the market that is all roses and rainbows for everyone. My point was that Spyderco is at least as good or better in a lot of areas than their competitors and should be presented as such. It's fine to think them ugly or believe that they look cheap but to post a long-winded diatribe filled with misinformation isn't helping anyone, least of all new users who might read your post and never give Spyderco a chance.
I don't even think I can provide a rebuttal to all of the arguments posed by all of the responsible adults, but I will try. I would also like to point out that I have been reading this forum for almost a year, and that I think it is ridiculous that I get cussed at and personal messages from people because I post my opinion about Spydercos. I don't get negative comments like this when posting about any other knife, nor have I seen comments like these in the Traditionals forum or the Buck forum (except when I see unintelligent negative threads about Buck 110s). Why must my reasonable opinion be answered with curse words in the posts above? You have your opinion, and I have mine.
VG-10 Steel
I have seen several threads while researching Spydie knives (especially before I purchased my endura and the badly wanted PM2) that compare VG-10 steel to these steels. I admit that I made a mistake: I meant to say that AUS-8 is a level lower than VG-10, NOT the other way around as I mistakenly typed the first time. And yes, I base my opinions on these steels off threads here, because I have never put these steels through scientific experiments. Here is a recent 2011 thread I quickly found when I used google "site:bladeforums.com VG-10 steel". A member compares VG-10 to both 13c26 AND 420hc. This member happens to be a great moderator now. Why don't you two vocabulary-lacking swearers send some sign$ and aster*cks his way??
I would like to thank Pete, Blais, AKFC, ChevyScott, coop, Jnewell, allyourblood, 1234, and gadfly for at least having the dignity not to openly and unashamedly belittle me personally to show that you happen to appreciate Spyderco knive and not share the same opinions I may hold. I am mainly writing this response because I did receive a few actual counter-arguments to my post in the mess above.
Bull Mastiff: I read the entire thread, and saw someone stated that Spyderco invented the tactical knife, which is untrue. I was correcting it and trying to further help new readers. I stated that I'm sure world war bayonets would be considered tactical at the time, and Spydercos were not made before the world wars, therefore Spydercos must not be the first tactical knives. Period. As for Spyderco BLADE warranty (which is all that I find dissatisfactory with them) can be read about here in post #5. I just used google "site:bladeforums.com Spyderco blade warranty". Finally, the Kershaws (which I love my Leek, but it ain't purrfect) with bead-blasted finish have a bunch of threads about rusting, plus I have personal experience. Here are a few Kershaw threads one, two, and three.
JNewell and coop - Price is very subjective and opinionated, as I stated several times. Thank you for understanding this. I did not think that my words could be construed as almighty fact.
ChevyScott - I will post a picture of my purple FFG Endura at the end of the post. I would actually APPRECIATE any advice on getting the blade to open more smoothly. Of course, I need to get a rare T8 torx bit for the pivot screw first, neither my T6 nor T10 fit.
AKC - If I could get one person to buy that dollar copy, I'd be one more dollar closer to my Case SBJ or Spyderco PM2! All contributions welcome.
Blais - First off, Honey Badgers take on King Cobras and African Killer Bees, so they will probably rule the world someday. Second, I am not quite a Buck fanboy. Such as I find that the newer Buck 110 family of knives have woodern scales that are lacking compared to my 2002 Buck 110. I also don't think that the Buck Vantage liner controversy was unwarranted. I thankfully fixed mine to my personal perfection, but it wasn't like that out of box. I also don't like their overseas production of linerlocks. I salivate over USA-made Schrades, and I've been dreaming about a Benchmade 710 or 940 for quite a while, I just think that everything about Spyderco ISN'T all roses and rainbows, no matter how many negative comments there are to my post. No company is perfect, I'm just trying to point out the flaws so someone can make an educated purchase.
Pete - I think your post was the most in-depth "creeper" response, thank you for not attacking me over a knife brand opinion. First, companies usually attain knock-offs mainly by consumer demand and high prices. Knock-offs do not necessarily mean a product must be a fantastic one. I'm sure there are Snuggie knock-offs, but does that mean a Snuggie is a fine product good for everyone? No, it doesn't.
Second, the "designed in the dark" comment, I don't really understand why that's relevant. I understand that Spydercos have nice function AND form, I just don't think that the bland statement "function over form" makes opinions that Spydercos are aesthetically unappealing just disappear. I think that saying that is a cope out just to stating that not all designs are appealing to everyone, but in the end a knife is just a knife, with a sharp piece of steel for cutting stuff.
Third, the first tactical knife seems to be made by a custom builder in 1981 named Robert Tezuola. I understand wikipedia isn't exactly a peer-reviewed journal, but I couldn't find a journal article about the first tactical folding knife. It seems that Spyderco also came out with their first knife in 1981, but Terzuola coined the term "Tactical Knife", and it was a folder. I think we ALL need to read more and post less.
Fourth, a small company should listen to its customer base in the first place; it should be standard for an above-average company. Most good knife companies have amazing customer service: Benchmade, Spyderco, Buck, Case, and Kershaw are ones I have experience with. Listening to its customers does not set it apart from these companies that already do that. That is the point I am trying to make by saying that it is not a PLUS to listen to your customers when you have already attained status among these other great customer service companies.
Finally, I get nauseated because every time I see a thread like this, someone poses an intelligent counter-argument about Spyderco knives, and that person gets cussed at and sent personal messages and ridiculed. Most of those people do not reply with more detailed evidence to each further comment made, but I have because I don't want to get nauseated in the future. I will know that I stated an intelligent discussion that was answered with nasty remarks about myself. I won't belittle any of you other posters. I have respect for you. I can only hope that this kind of reply and evidence is met with the same respect.
I made an honest mistake earlier by writing that VG-10 was a level lower than AUS-8. It is actually the other way around. But I stick to the idea that Buck 420hc and Kershaw 13c26 Sandvik are comparable steels to Spyderco VG-10.
......... nor have I seen comments like these in the Traditionals forum or the Buck forum (except when I see unintelligent negative threads about Buck 110s).
some of your comments were negative and pretty unintelligent, you'll get responses like these with a post like that on any of the major knife brands
VG-10 Steel
I have seen several threads while researching Spydie knives (especially before I purchased my endura and the badly wanted PM2) that compare VG-10 steel to these steels. I admit that I made a mistake: I meant to say that AUS-8 is a level lower than VG-10, NOT the other way around as I mistakenly typed the first time. And yes, I base my opinions on these steels off threads here, because I have never put these steels through scientific experiments. Here is a recent 2011 thread I quickly found when I used google "site:bladeforums.com VG-10 steel". A member compares VG-10 to both 13c26 AND 420hc. This member happens to be a great moderator now. Why don't you two vocabulary-lacking swearers send some sign$ and aster*cks his way?? You are reading that post completely out of context. The OP in that thread asked for a knife that would exhibit the same type of "sharpness" as VG-10. In fact, 420HC does take a similar edge as VG-10. But Knarfeng was just addressing one comparison between the two...that is all there is. About the only thing that 420HC does better than VG-10 is it doesn't chip, but rather, it bends or deforms. It is a tougher steel than VG-10. They are (based on my experiences) pretty similar in rust resistance.
I would like to thank Pete, you're welcome
Pete - I think your post was the most in-depth "creeper" response, thank you for not attacking me over a knife brand opinion. First, companies usually attain knock-offs mainly by consumer demand and high prices. Knock-offs do not necessarily mean a product must be a fantastic one. I'm sure there are Snuggie knock-offs, but does that mean a Snuggie is a fine product good for everyone? No, it doesn't.consumer demand for the most part = a good product. And Benchmade's knockoff endura, the pika, and SOG's knockoff endura are lower priced, but not by much.
Second, the "designed in the dark" comment, I don't really understand why that's relevant. I understand that Spydercos have nice function AND form, I just don't think that the bland statement "function over form" makes opinions that Spydercos are aesthetically unappealing just disappear. I think that saying that is a cope out just to stating that not all designs are appealing to everyone, but in the end a knife is just a knife, with a sharp piece of steel for cutting stuff.
If you are looking for a knife that is aesthetically pleasing above functional and you find spyderco knives ugly, then by all means, don't buy them. I find that one limits themselves by choosing a utilitarian product based on what it looks like. BUT, we have this disease, this addiction for cutlery, that makes us do dumb things sometimes. (like buying more knives than we will use in a lifetime
Third, the first tactical knife seems to be made by a custom builder in 1981 named Robert Tezuola. I understand wikipedia isn't exactly a peer-reviewed journal, but I couldn't find a journal article about the first tactical folding knife. It seems that Spyderco also came out with their first knife in 1981, but Terzuola coined the term "Tactical Knife", and it was a folder. I think we ALL need to read more and post less.
Tactical knife, nowadays, means a folding knife that exhibits traits that could pass as a substitute for a fided blade. Hence the apples/oranges of your bayonet explanation to The Mastiff. I said that spyderco invented the first tactical folding knife as we know it. The Gerber folding sportsman and the Buck 110 were the original "tactical folders." Spyderco's Clipit line was the first folding knife to introduce the features that we know as making a tactical knife. The pocket clip, the one hand opening method, a secure lock and partially or fully serrated blades.
Fourth, a small company should listen to its customer base in the first place; it should be standard for an above-average company. Most good knife companies have amazing customer service: Benchmade, Spyderco, Buck, Case, and Kershaw are ones I have experience with. Listening to its customers does not set it apart from these companies that already do that. That is the point I am trying to make by saying that it is not a PLUS to listen to your customers when you have already attained status among these other great customer service companies. There are more companies that DON'T listen to their customer base than those that do. Any company that DOES take input from its customers from the point of inception of a knife idea, through its design, asking for input all along the way, up until the knife is built and released, and puts prototypes in the hands of end line users for real world testing is going above and beyond.
Finally, I get nauseated because every time I see a thread like this, someone poses an intelligent counter-argument about Spyderco knives, and that person gets cussed at and sent personal messages and ridiculed. Most of those people do not reply with more detailed evidence to each further comment made, but I have because I don't want to get nauseated in the future. I will know that I stated an intelligent discussion that was answered with nasty remarks about myself. I won't belittle any of you other posters. I have respect for you. I can only hope that this kind of reply and evidence is met with the same respect. no offense, but your counterargument wasn't intellegent, probably explaining the overly negative arguments. Never is there a time when "everyone is wrong but you." I don't agree with the nasty remarks but a lot of us have seen this before and owe it to the knife community to nip misinformation in the bud.
I made an honest mistake earlier by writing that VG-10 was a level lower than AUS-8. It is actually the other way around. But I stick to the idea that Buck 420hc and Kershaw 13c26 Sandvik are comparable steels to Spyderco VG-10. they aren't even close when all aspects of the steel are included. VG-10 is the best of the steels in the bunch you named above. This would be learned easily by finding reviews online, or using your own knife for a while.
I try not to say things here that I wouldn't say face to face. Actually, some things that would work face to face don't work on a forum. 
I don't even think I can provide a rebuttal to all of the arguments posed by all of the responsible adults, but I will try. I would also like to point out that I have been reading this forum for almost a year, and that I think it is ridiculous that I get cussed at and personal messages from people because I post my opinion about Spydercos. I don't get negative comments like this when posting about any other knife, nor have I seen comments like these in the Traditionals forum or the Buck forum (except when I see unintelligent negative threads about Buck 110s). Why must my reasonable opinion be answered with curse words in the posts above? You have your opinion, and I have mine.
VG-10 Steel
I have seen several threads while researching Spydie knives (especially before I purchased my endura and the badly wanted PM2) that compare VG-10 steel to these steels. I admit that I made a mistake: I meant to say that AUS-8 is a level lower than VG-10, NOT the other way around as I mistakenly typed the first time. And yes, I base my opinions on these steels off threads here, because I have never put these steels through scientific experiments. Here is a recent 2011 thread I quickly found when I used google "site:bladeforums.com VG-10 steel". A member compares VG-10 to both 13c26 AND 420hc. This member happens to be a great moderator now. Why don't you two vocabulary-lacking swearers send some sign$ and aster*cks his way??
I would like to thank Pete, Blais, AKFC, ChevyScott, coop, Jnewell, allyourblood, 1234, and gadfly for at least having the dignity not to openly and unashamedly belittle me personally to show that you happen to appreciate Spyderco knive and not share the same opinions I may hold. I am mainly writing this response because I did receive a few actual counter-arguments to my post in the mess above.
Bull Mastiff: I read the entire thread, and saw someone stated that Spyderco invented the tactical knife, which is untrue. I was correcting it and trying to further help new readers. I stated that I'm sure world war bayonets would be considered tactical at the time, and Spydercos were not made before the world wars, therefore Spydercos must not be the first tactical knives. Period. As for Spyderco BLADE warranty (which is all that I find dissatisfactory with them) can be read about here in post #5. I just used google "site:bladeforums.com Spyderco blade warranty". Finally, the Kershaws (which I love my Leek, but it ain't purrfect) with bead-blasted finish have a bunch of threads about rusting, plus I have personal experience. Here are a few Kershaw threads one, two, and three.
JNewell and coop - Price is very subjective and opinionated, as I stated several times. Thank you for understanding this. I did not think that my words could be construed as almighty fact.
ChevyScott - I will post a picture of my purple FFG Endura at the end of the post. I would actually APPRECIATE any advice on getting the blade to open more smoothly. Of course, I need to get a rare T8 torx bit for the pivot screw first, neither my T6 nor T10 fit.
AKC - If I could get one person to buy that dollar copy, I'd be one more dollar closer to my Case SBJ or Spyderco PM2! All contributions welcome.
Blais - First off, Honey Badgers take on King Cobras and African Killer Bees, so they will probably rule the world someday. Second, I am not quite a Buck fanboy. Such as I find that the newer Buck 110 family of knives have woodern scales that are lacking compared to my 2002 Buck 110. I also don't think that the Buck Vantage liner controversy was unwarranted. I thankfully fixed mine to my personal perfection, but it wasn't like that out of box. I also don't like their overseas production of linerlocks. I salivate over USA-made Schrades, and I've been dreaming about a Benchmade 710 or 940 for quite a while, I just think that everything about Spyderco ISN'T all roses and rainbows, no matter how many negative comments there are to my post. No company is perfect, I'm just trying to point out the flaws so someone can make an educated purchase.
Pete - I think your post was the most in-depth "creeper" response, thank you for not attacking me over a knife brand opinion. First, companies usually attain knock-offs mainly by consumer demand and high prices. Knock-offs do not necessarily mean a product must be a fantastic one. I'm sure there are Snuggie knock-offs, but does that mean a Snuggie is a fine product good for everyone? No, it doesn't.
Second, the "designed in the dark" comment, I don't really understand why that's relevant. I understand that Spydercos have nice function AND form, I just don't think that the bland statement "function over form" makes opinions that Spydercos are aesthetically unappealing just disappear. I think that saying that is a cope out just to stating that not all designs are appealing to everyone, but in the end a knife is just a knife, with a sharp piece of steel for cutting stuff.
Third, the first tactical knife seems to be made by a custom builder in 1981 named Robert Tezuola. I understand wikipedia isn't exactly a peer-reviewed journal, but I couldn't find a journal article about the first tactical folding knife. It seems that Spyderco also came out with their first knife in 1981, but Terzuola coined the term "Tactical Knife", and it was a folder. I think we ALL need to read more and post less.
Fourth, a small company should listen to its customer base in the first place; it should be standard for an above-average company. Most good knife companies have amazing customer service: Benchmade, Spyderco, Buck, Case, and Kershaw are ones I have experience with. Listening to its customers does not set it apart from these companies that already do that. That is the point I am trying to make by saying that it is not a PLUS to listen to your customers when you have already attained status among these other great customer service companies.
Finally, I get nauseated because every time I see a thread like this, someone poses an intelligent counter-argument about Spyderco knives, and that person gets cussed at and sent personal messages and ridiculed. Most of those people do not reply with more detailed evidence to each further comment made, but I have because I don't want to get nauseated in the future. I will know that I stated an intelligent discussion that was answered with nasty remarks about myself. I won't belittle any of you other posters. I have respect for you. I can only hope that this kind of reply and evidence is met with the same respect.
I made an honest mistake earlier by writing that VG-10 was a level lower than AUS-8. It is actually the other way around. But I stick to the idea that Buck 420hc and Kershaw 13c26 Sandvik are comparable steels to Spyderco VG-10.
That was really funny.
