Help, murder knife.

unit said:
Sure looks like a cheap bailsong to me.

Murderers seem to rarely select valuable cutlery...
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TLR said:
LOL you come here asking because you don't know and when you're told it's a generic knife your response is "trust me it's not the same knife?"

It is a cheap unbranded knife made by some non-descript chinese company and distributed via the cheapest channels throughout the world. What are you looking for? Manufacturer? Distributor? Merchant who sold the knife in your country? Person who possibly sold/gave/had the knife stolen by the alleged murderer?
Being that it's a non-descript, generic knife there is little possibility of finding the answers to those questions.
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I would agree with the statements above.
 
Lennart Remstam said:
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No, no, no. WRONG. You cannot hope to compare the sizes of these knives using pictures. Do not use this method in your investigation it is terribly inaccurate and has already lead you to unjustifiable conclusions.

The fact that you used the (apparent) lengths rather than the location of the lock bar to conclude they are not the same knife proves you are not as observant as you could be. The locks are positioned opposite each other which is really the only way you could say for sure "they are not the same knife"

That being said. They easily could have been made by the same company in China, maybe not in the same year, but there is a chance. Unfortunately there is realistically ZERO chance of determining this.

Good luck...but I think you may want to consider your current path a dead end..
 
If the information you are looking for will help your investigation, and you have the information now, exactly what else do you need. How does the need to know how the weapon feels, a more specific origin, etc, going to change of whether the weapon was used. Like was already said, they are cheap balis, available anywhere, made in China by Whothehellknows, Inc.. Also previously mentioned, you don't have the weapon, and never had. You are relying on a police photo, so you don't know the size and feel of the weapon, which makes your questions irrelevant as you have nothing to compare them to. I am unclear how these facts you keep pressing for will change anything.
 
Some thoughts...
Here are a picture of two balis made in Sweden: http://www.jerzeedevil.com/forums/showthread.php/74988-Balisongs-from-Sweden-and-Finland?

It rained a lot this morning, pouring rain?
1. That a racist bothered to go up in the morning and run around in the rain and look for someone to stick a knife in how likely does that sound?
2nd That any "normal person" voluntarily go out in the rain and looking for a victim is even more unlikely.
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Perhaps not an adult, but a teenager already up and out for school himself. Not a typical "skinhead," but most likely a middle-class teenager.
Most of the perpetrators are middle-class youth - the murderer of Söderberg is the son of a businessman.
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http://www.socialismtoday.org/46/sweden.html

A knockoff Bali is most likely to be owned by a teenager -- maybe a hand-me-down from an older sibling. From a forensic psychology perspective this individual is disaffected, was abandoned by his father and is taking his rage on an immigrant child and a "mother" figure. Of course I am skimming through this with Google translate, not familiar with the case, forensic psychology is just making stuff up, etc...

simioh said:
I have one in brass
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We're going to ask you to come down to the station and make a statement. . .just a formality of course.
 
None of those knives shown look anything like a Pacific Cutlery/Benchmade Balisong. The company has ben around since the late 70's/early 80's and ripoff copies have been almost for about that long. I fear that the OP's attempt to attach some kind of "provenance" to this knife is a journey down a rabbit hole that leads nowhere.
 
You can't use the two pictures for size comparison because they are not taken from identical angles (notice how the top knives seem smaller than the bottom knives).
People familiar with these knives have informed you that they are very common. There are no marks from which to identify a manufacturer.
If those cheap Chinese knives were assembled by hand there could be slight variations between the same models coming from the same factories on the same day.
If these are legal to sell in Sweden I bet you can find a shop today tht has one for you to examine. If they are not legal and weren't legal in 2004 then the killer didn't get it from a local shop, for whatever that info is worth.
 
Why is the price, quantity available, or "solid" feel relevant to a murder investigation? The most common knife used in murders is a cheap kitchen knife and it takes a quantity of one.
 
Thomas Linton said:
Why is the price, quantity available, or "solid" feel relevant to a murder investigation? The most common knife used in murders is a cheap kitchen knife and it takes a quantity of one.
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I don't understand this either. Maybe OP wants one of his own? Of all the threads I've seen on BF, this is the most bizarre.
 
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Follow the green line, the third line from the left, do you mean that the grinds are in line with each other on the 3 upper knives?
They are similar but not identical, and that's what I'm looking for, 100% identical.
Best regads
Lenn
 
Interesting thread, my answer is the same as everyone else who has posted that its an el cheapo blade, no way of knowing how many were made, where they were shipped or what company produced it.

There is no Sherlock Holmes for this knife, no secret machining marks to lead anyone in any direction. China/Taiwan/Japan and possibly Pakistan, beyond that even IF you could trace it to a specific country, it would go no further and do no good for any investigation.
 
You are missing something important... You don't have the distance and angle of the original picture and if you did, you would need you comparison pictures to be taken at the same distance and angle... And even same lens to have accurate size comparisons.

What I am saying is that your method of comparison is flawed, wrong, incorrect.
 
There is no way to track down the origin of that knife.
It is a chinese made knife of the lowest quality. Hand made to the degree it was crudely ground by hand in a chinese sweatshop.
It could be older, from the 80s or it could be made recently.
The knife is a generic piece of junk, and a dead end for any investigation.
On your blog you seem to go back and forth about whether the knife is good quality. The answer is NO.
 
All of those knives could be from the same company, you are looking for an exact copy? Time to start by getting the build specifications of the original and searching the Internet for cheap Chinese knives with exactly the same specs.
 
Karda said:
It is what is commonly known as a CCC (Cheap Chinese Copy) more or less of the pacific cutlery balisong.
Mass produced in innumerable amounts by many different companies and sold by many different sites and vendors in 2004 and still in production today. Sold by many internet sites whom sell cheap balisongs. Commonly sold at flea markets and swap meets. Commonly referred to as "silver flick knife."

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You're not going to get a better answer than this. and those pictures you edited together are pointless. I doubt you'll find the specific chinese factory that made that specific version of the copied knife.

jdm61 said:
None of those knives shown look anything like a Pacific Cutlery/Benchmade Balisong. The company has ben around since the late 70's/early 80's and ripoff copies have been almost for about that long. I fear that the OP's attempt to attach some kind of "provenance" to this knife is a journey down a rabbit hole that leads nowhere.
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The point is you cannot conclude that they AREN'T 100% identical using the method above. None of these type of knives follow any sort of assembly or labeling process that allows them to be 100% identical or identifiable.

For all we know the two similar knives in the picture above could have been made in the same factory on the same day and the grinds were done by two different workers and the rivets could have been done by different workers as well. Moving forward with that idea, even two knives with locks on opposite sides (like above) could come from the same batch from the same factory on the same day. Just some worker put the lock in the other way when he was dozing off or daydreaming. For these cheap balisongs there is close to no quality control.
 
The knife is a dead-end. Unless the police have witnesses, DNA, fingerprints, surveilance video, or obtain a confession, an arrest is unlikely. Even if you were able to track that knife to a specific company, and a specific factory, I'm sure that there were so many made, and so many sold in the world, that there would be no way whatsoever to trace it to a specific seller, much less a buyer.
 
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