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Not likely.
You are obviously not a person one should take self defense advice from.
Not likely.
Cutting somebody in justified self defense does not make "us" look bad.
Not likely.
I carry a knife, in part, as a defensive tool. Not a primary, but just one option. It is a good one to have. I carry a Glock and Fox Labs pepper spray all day every day, but my Kabar TDI and/or waved Emerson '8 sure do make great retention devices and CQC weapons.
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boy, mr rogers neighborhood sure looks nice, i wish i lived there along with some of these people who been posting lately......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-tUd_Ji-AY
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Ok, let's look at the argument and it's opponents - the statement "I want a knife for self defense" usually implies a complete ignorance of combatives and what knife to use. It's obvious that someone coming to a public forum, rather than consult his dojo, sensei, and others in his art, would likely not have a dojo, sensei, or others to consult.
The best advice to that person is don't even try, get training, and use a better weapon - a gun.
And if someone chimes in and says "I can take a knife away and have done so," I'm sure I will take that with a grain of salt. NONETHELESS, LEO and military are both taught disarms to do exactly that. There is no guarantee that two compentent and skill martial artists are involved - so protests that combatants in a dojo practice session get hurt has no practical relevance. Please - what happens in the dojo, stays in the dojo. Not every punk thug on the street is an accomplished belt martial artist. What they are is an accomplished punk thug who ambushes people on the street. I see no reason to embellish their skills when so many wind up dead by the actions of people just like them.
So it's not impossible to disarm and take one down, if you have the skills and the chance. And lots of times, a civilian does that when they pull their CCW or other firearm. About 2 million times a year, if the studies are close - and apparently, there are some here who don't know that.
Big picture, knives suck as a weapon, which is why guns are preferred and have been for the last 150 years, and second, anything else - which the DOJ reports from nationwide police statistics. Even when knives come in third, the majority of violent incidents are domestic disturbances with the wife armed with a kitchen knife.
Making assertions that knives are great as weapons is irresponsible - because it takes years of training and a prerequisite knowledge of barehand combatives..Ownership does not impart competence - and the shooting fraternity constantly beats that drum.
Why the knife using community doesn't is the disconnect - where is it that owning a great knife makes someone a competent fighter with it? That is pure BS - and saying otherwise just feeds the fantasies that could get someone hurt. That is not a responsible position from someone truly in the spirit of bushido.
Learn the best methods of self defense first, then pick the tools to exercise it. Quit getting it bass-ackwards. Buying a NASCAR ready racer don't make you one. Racing on the local dirt track doesn't, either.
The best advice to that person is don't even try, get training, and use a better weapon - a gun.
And if someone chimes in and says "I can take a knife away and have done so," I'm sure I will take that with a grain of salt. NONETHELESS, LEO and military are both taught disarms to do exactly that. There is no guarantee that two compentent and skill martial artists are involved - so protests that combatants in a dojo practice session get hurt has no practical relevance. Please - what happens in the dojo, stays in the dojo. Not every punk thug on the street is an accomplished belt martial artist. What they are is an accomplished punk thug who ambushes people on the street. I see no reason to embellish their skills when so many wind up dead by the actions of people just like them.
So it's not impossible to disarm and take one down, if you have the skills and the chance. And lots of times, a civilian does that when they pull their CCW or other firearm. About 2 million times a year, if the studies are close - and apparently, there are some here who don't know that.
Big picture, knives suck as a weapon, which is why guns are preferred and have been for the last 150 years, and second, anything else - which the DOJ reports from nationwide police statistics. Even when knives come in third, the majority of violent incidents are domestic disturbances with the wife armed with a kitchen knife.
Making assertions that knives are great as weapons is irresponsible - because it takes years of training and a prerequisite knowledge of barehand combatives..Ownership does not impart competence - and the shooting fraternity constantly beats that drum.
Why the knife using community doesn't is the disconnect - where is it that owning a great knife makes someone a competent fighter with it? That is pure BS - and saying otherwise just feeds the fantasies that could get someone hurt. That is not a responsible position from someone truly in the spirit of bushido.
Learn the best methods of self defense first, then pick the tools to exercise it. Quit getting it bass-ackwards. Buying a NASCAR ready racer don't make you one. Racing on the local dirt track doesn't, either.
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:thumbup: ...Then again, I guess it makes sense that there would be more than enough machismo to go around in a knife forum.
Someone came here for advice. They want a "tactical" knife with a tanto blade...we can sit here all day and argue about what that is or if it's even useful, but nothing good is gonna come of it. Personally, I don't carry a folder specifically for tactical purposes, I carry it for every day carry/cutting tasks (hence EDC). That said, if Someone attacked me, my life was in danger and I had nothing to lose...hell yeah I'd use it! And by the grace of God, may I or any of you make it out alive. Additionally, I'm not saying I'm a knife fighter by any means, but I'd think that a concealable knife, with a sturdy, pointy blade, which locks up strongly and deploys quickly would marginally increase one's chances of survival. No?
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Took the words right out of my mouth.
Thanks for saving me the typing.
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I was thinking the poster made those comments in jest.....right?
1) in law enforcement, there is a general feeling that an innocent person doesn't run. I won't go so far as to say it's almost looked at like an admission of some guilt, but it's not the best course.
If you need to run to clear the threat you need to still contact LE for a report. Be prepared to explain why you reloacated.
Also, I was "shanked" twice in the prison during my duties in 15 years. One was from behind in a crowd. I never found out who it was. I didn't know I had been stabbed untill I felt what I thought was a bug crawling on me and went to scratch. It was blood. I was hurting from other injuries, and the adrennaline was going. It hit a rib and I thought it was just a punch. Not a bad event, and I was very lucky.
The second was a face on attack where an inmate attempted to stab me in the eye. I "caught"it in my hand. That one made me angry.
Disarming in either case was not a possibility. Fortunately revenge was in the second.
Boy was I lucky I was facing shitty shanks rather than real knives!
Without room to move, and a stick I wouldn't really want to disarm knife weilders for a living. It's like facing a large, dangerous dog. What part of your body do you want to sacrifice to get in close enough to control the situation. That's if everything goes well.
Not my idea of fun.
1) in law enforcement, there is a general feeling that an innocent person doesn't run. I won't go so far as to say it's almost looked at like an admission of some guilt, but it's not the best course.
If you need to run to clear the threat you need to still contact LE for a report. Be prepared to explain why you reloacated.
Also, I was "shanked" twice in the prison during my duties in 15 years. One was from behind in a crowd. I never found out who it was. I didn't know I had been stabbed untill I felt what I thought was a bug crawling on me and went to scratch. It was blood. I was hurting from other injuries, and the adrennaline was going. It hit a rib and I thought it was just a punch. Not a bad event, and I was very lucky.
The second was a face on attack where an inmate attempted to stab me in the eye. I "caught"it in my hand. That one made me angry.
Disarming in either case was not a possibility. Fortunately revenge was in the second.
Boy was I lucky I was facing shitty shanks rather than real knives!
Without room to move, and a stick I wouldn't really want to disarm knife weilders for a living. It's like facing a large, dangerous dog. What part of your body do you want to sacrifice to get in close enough to control the situation. That's if everything goes well.
Not my idea of fun.
I have an earlier M16 Spearpoint and it DOES deploy easily.
However the knife I feel most comfortable with is a Benchmade 553 Tanto Grip. You can get that blade out like lightning or in a much more sheep friendly manner.
I like my SOG Twitch XL a lot too, but with it's deep clip I can't get it out of pocket so easy.
I have no illusions about how I'll act if I must. I just know if it's him or me I'm gonna do my best to make it him!
However the knife I feel most comfortable with is a Benchmade 553 Tanto Grip. You can get that blade out like lightning or in a much more sheep friendly manner.
I like my SOG Twitch XL a lot too, but with it's deep clip I can't get it out of pocket so easy.
I have no illusions about how I'll act if I must. I just know if it's him or me I'm gonna do my best to make it him!
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You're on the right track, but there are so many good tacticals these days that it would be difficult to find a bad major brand name knife.
One of my favorites is the Cold Steel Gunsite with a 5-inch blade (though it also comes in 4-inches). The serration pattern of the CS knives are fine and not at all obnoxious like other brands. If you like the full hilt on the CRKT, I'd go with the M16-14SF or SFA. CRKT's serration pattern is designed mostly for self defense or cutting wood. It still has enough plain blade on it for cutting most other things, but the knife is overwhelmingly a tactical, and it has the LAWKS, which negates the whole linerlock thing.
Cold Steel is, in my opinion, the best bang for the buck. Either knife you mention would be fine and it would be a mistake to spend more money on a tactical. You might also take a look at the Voyager series. As a tactical knife goes, it would be hard to beat a Voyager 5-inch with serrations. You can also get it in a tanto if you like tantos (and I do). I would hate to have someone come after me with one of those and the serrations make them good emergency knives.
Finally, keep in mind that though black blades look nice now, they end up looking like hell. If you're only going to be using it as a self defense knife, it doesn't matter.
One of my favorites is the Cold Steel Gunsite with a 5-inch blade (though it also comes in 4-inches). The serration pattern of the CS knives are fine and not at all obnoxious like other brands. If you like the full hilt on the CRKT, I'd go with the M16-14SF or SFA. CRKT's serration pattern is designed mostly for self defense or cutting wood. It still has enough plain blade on it for cutting most other things, but the knife is overwhelmingly a tactical, and it has the LAWKS, which negates the whole linerlock thing.
Cold Steel is, in my opinion, the best bang for the buck. Either knife you mention would be fine and it would be a mistake to spend more money on a tactical. You might also take a look at the Voyager series. As a tactical knife goes, it would be hard to beat a Voyager 5-inch with serrations. You can also get it in a tanto if you like tantos (and I do). I would hate to have someone come after me with one of those and the serrations make them good emergency knives.
Finally, keep in mind that though black blades look nice now, they end up looking like hell. If you're only going to be using it as a self defense knife, it doesn't matter.
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Great advice - applicable only in certain parts of the Unites States of America, and nowhere else on Earth.
Yep, they receive training to do it. And when it comes to it, they'll point a gun at you and ORDER you to drop it.
Unless your life depends on it, don't try to disarm a knife wielding 'person'.
This is true. What is not true is that it takes years to learn to use knife effectively in a fight. It starts with mindset. It just makes no sense to argue with all the evidence available on the efficacy of knives as weapons. I am willing to bet that next to none of the people who kill and main people with a knife have trained for it.
This is a strawman. No one said this.
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Thank you for weighing in. I have three cops in my family (well, my in-law family), and they all say the same thing. It's nice training, but they would never attempt it IRL.
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Incorrect.
I have gone through a top notch LEO academy, recently. The proper response to a threat with a knife is to utilize your gun. Plain and simple.
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Please enlighten me then: Where else can I carry a gun for self defense? (not challenging you, sincerely asking) And I don't mean by pleading special circumstances, I mean for common citizens like me.
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The most glaringly obvious is Israel, but there are plenty of others. Also, IIRC, South Africa and Argentina and I can't recall the others but I know they are out there.
It is not usually as easy or commonplace as in most of the states but trust me, the USA is definately not the only place a regular law abiding citizen can legally carry a gun.
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Lol. I've lived there, for years, was about to make Alyah. Firearm laws are very tight in fact, personal ownership is quite restricted. People are allowed to arm themselves and carry those arms, but the mechanism to do so is not comparable to that of the US. It's basically a collective that owns the guns, and you are allowed - if you belong to that collective, wether it be the IDF, police, a moshav or a kibutz - to check such weapons out for personal use.
In practice this means that many city dwellers do not have this option any more. CCW like in the US is restricted to special needs.
South-Afria, you are correct, forgot about that one.
Well it's pretty close. And it IS the only country in what we call the Western world.
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I do agree that you shouldn't get a knife to use strictly for SD without extensive training. That said as a last resort I would use a knife to save my life or a loved ones. I don't know about anyone else but I pray that day never comes for me. If I wanted a knife for SD it would definetely be an Emerson.
I live in the RIDICULOUS State of New Jersey. My non resident concealed gun carry permits (valid in 29 or so Other States) are totally useless here. Carry permits are denied to all routinely. The still legal knife is my only "LAST DITCH" option, other than an eighth of an ounce of pepper spray (our legal non law enforcement amount), and running away. My first option if possible. Trying to avoid trouble in the first place being #1, and not difficult if you have any common sense at all.
Contrary to popular opinion in the Garden State, there is no legal blade length law here. Just no switchblades, double edges, daggers, gravity knives etc., or carrying with criminal intent, or in the commission of a crime. Many confiscated knives (traffic stops, non criminal confiscations), have been returned to owners in court due to misunderstanding of our knife laws by law enforcement. (This is "NOT" a criticism of law enforcement officials). Confusion can exit in any business!
I know many of you folks have issues with Cold Steel. I do too, but my new Spartan is just the ticket for my defense knife. Incredibly STRONG LOCK, great blade shape for defensive use, and the handle is the most secure in any grip style, of any knife I own, and thats a lot. It is with me every day now with a couple of smaller favorites for chores.
The knife is not the #1 choice for defense, but it "could" give you an edge in a desperate last ditch scenario. First rule of a gunfight?... Have a gun!.... Can't..... run away.... or do what you can if you have to. Mindset is wonderful thing. The willingness to instantly defend yourself is vital.
I do not want to live here, but my wife's family and her job dictate that I must. It's a reality I must live with.
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Contrary to popular opinion in the Garden State, there is no legal blade length law here. Just no switchblades, double edges, daggers, gravity knives etc., or carrying with criminal intent, or in the commission of a crime. Many confiscated knives (traffic stops, non criminal confiscations), have been returned to owners in court due to misunderstanding of our knife laws by law enforcement. (This is "NOT" a criticism of law enforcement officials). Confusion can exit in any business!
I know many of you folks have issues with Cold Steel. I do too, but my new Spartan is just the ticket for my defense knife. Incredibly STRONG LOCK, great blade shape for defensive use, and the handle is the most secure in any grip style, of any knife I own, and thats a lot. It is with me every day now with a couple of smaller favorites for chores.
The knife is not the #1 choice for defense, but it "could" give you an edge in a desperate last ditch scenario. First rule of a gunfight?... Have a gun!.... Can't..... run away.... or do what you can if you have to. Mindset is wonderful thing. The willingness to instantly defend yourself is vital.
I do not want to live here, but my wife's family and her job dictate that I must. It's a reality I must live with.
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I'm sorry that you have to live in NJ. I'll trade Puerto Rico into the union for NJ any day.
I would only use my SD knives as last ditch defense... ie if I was in chokehold, or if pinned down. You never should start out fighting with a knife because you will just get stabbed with it.
I would only use my SD knives as last ditch defense... ie if I was in chokehold, or if pinned down. You never should start out fighting with a knife because you will just get stabbed with it.
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Please stop repeating such untrue nonsense.
You are doing everyone a huge disservice by repeating tired old lies.
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DUDE!!!! your in five oh deuce? im a hop skip and a jump away from you, small world!!!
our arms room doesnt have many bayonets either but aot f use have personal fixed blades and we get issued the benchmade autos.
hard to believe you didnt get the 40mm for your 203's that rough not even TL's?