Hiking with knives

To the OP: It depends on the group and their objectives for the backpacking trip. Some trips are about covering a lot of miles or reaching a summit with minimal emphasis on camping, some aim to be casual/social activities with easy hiking and casual camping only, and some are about the camping experience/cooking/building fire, etc.. I know I will be in the minority because this is a knife forum, but since it sounds like a group/social activity, it's probably never good to risk looking like the odd one out / socially uncalibrated person in the group. Hard core hikers will have summited a sizable list of mountains and hiked hundreds of miles while carrying everything they need in their pack and often only use small knives like SAKs. As you probably know since you backpack on the AT, many carry complete cooking systems with stove, pot, cozy, windscreen, ignition, utensils, and enough fuel to last 2 weeks or more in a package that weighs less than a BK2+sheath. To them, big knives are completely unnecessary. At the extreme end, thru hikers who hike 2000+ miles on the PCT or AT most commonly carry something like a pinky sized Victorinox Classic. If your group is mostly filled with hardcore hikers you will likely look a little odd and inexperienced to them carrying a big knife. If your group is in it for the camping experience then you'll fit right in, since to the outdoor survivalist/camper a tiny knife or lack of tools will look lame. Either way you most likely won't use the BK2 until you've put your stuff down and are setting up camp. If you can't think of a good and realistic reason why you need to have immediate access to your BK2 and show up with it strapped to your body or bag, then most likely it would be a safer bet to keep it inside your pack until you feel the group out.
 
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Do like Willie Nelson says, hang that sumbitch on your ruck for all the honest world feel, er...something like that. Be careful though. You realize that once you're the knife guy you'll also be sharpening everyone else's blades and giving them knife advice, right?
 
I say bring whatever gear that you want. You bought the Bk2, use it and have fun. I found people respond more towards me as a person that my gear. A nice guy with a Bk2 is better than a jerk with a Sak. Just don't act like Rambo and it's all good. If I were you, I'd break out the Battle Mistress..go big! Regardless of your decision, have a nice time
 
Hiker9, you have raised some interesting points there regarding different 'types' of groups that do outdoor activities. If I've read MIs OP correctly however, it would seem that the group he's going on the trek with are more of the recreational/camping, non-hardcore type that just want to enjoy some outdoor time. To be honest, if I were in this group and I only had a SAK and I saw someone with a big honking blade like the 2 I'd be all like ''aw man!" then I'd get all disappointed with my SAK. I suppose you could overcome this reasonably unlikely potentiality by bringing a knife for everyone..

MI, take it along, perhaps in your pack if you're really concerned (I'd still put the 17 in your pocket as well) You'll feel better and I'm sure the others will get over it especially when you show them how useful a decent sized TOOL like that can be. I personally think they'll be more intrigued than scared/put off. I'm sure at one stage in the evening they'll ask to have a look and feel of them. Who knows, you may convert a few peeps..

Oh yeah, I would never call Mad Indian 'socially uncalibrated'. I think the term you were after Hiker is 'anthropologically unhinged'..
 
Much wisdom in Hiker9 and DJC72's comments. +1 for each.

I don't think anyone is suggesting the OP allow him/her-self to be absorbed into the collective and give up all sense of individuality. If you don't mind carrying the weight over miles or it's not the type of trip where distance, terrain and weight force the decision then awesome. Bring whatever you can comfortably carry and want with you.

I just think common sense and general awareness goes a long way, especially with a group you don't know that well yet.

The dude who smokes out the hiking shelter with a high-impact and massive fire simply because he brought the tools and he can is not making a great impression. The new guy in the office who cannot resist bragging to everyone about the handgun he carries with him because he has a carry permit and there is no documented "policy" about it is also not the first one to get the invite out for drinks on Friday.
 
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Don't worry about what they think. For years I'd hike with a .357 and my group would laugh at me. Then we ran into a large black bear and I noticed everyone was behind me.
 
Just rock it man...

I went to a HammockForums winter hang in NJ a while back not knowing anyone there. Brought my BK12 on my belt. Most of the HammockForum folks are more the ultralight hiker type than the bushcrafty type, so I was a little concerned I might scare someone. Some guy spotted it that night, and said (loudly) "Hey look at that big-ass knife!" I was all ready to defend why I was carrying it, but it quickly turned into the 12 getting passed around 20+ people around the campfire while I was answering questions and offering knife advice.
Damn I wanted to go to that one, this one is in Harriman, you should come ;-)

What state are you hiking in? Something to take into consideration are the laws on blade length for open carry. You may not freak out your group but if you end up passing or sharing a trail with the wrong crowd who are eyeing for this sort of thing it might be something to think about. That's why a lot of people carry folders.
I'm in NY the knives I have are legal unless of course I went to NYC but I won't be hiking there :D

Just been thinking back - about the OP's title - Hiking with knives. I carried a 4 blade "scout" knife in my pocket, a 5" fixed blade on my belt and a Plumb BSA hatchet, a spare 4 blade knife and a spare 4" fixed blade in the pack. Everyone I went hiking/camping with in the "old days" carried a similar set of equipment. Probably because we were all taught by the same old-school Scoutmaster. I would also have a small file for sharpening the hatchet that did double duty as my "steel" for "flint and steel" fire starting as a back-up to the waxed matches in my match safe. "Ferro-rods" are for wimps. Try the old school "file and a rock" for making sparks if you want a challenge sometimes.

Extreme backpacking - my first trip to Philmont Scout Ranch out in New Mexico - 1967 IIRC. When my group of scouts kicked off, we all weighed our packs. The goal was to keep all packs to 60# or less. That's right 60# was the goal. I weighed 123# and was the smallest person in the group. My pack was just under the limit at 59#. Ended up being over 90# but that's another camping tale. :D

We didn't have all this "light weight" stuff that people use now - packs were canvas not nylon, tents were canvas not nylon-ish, all small stuff was cotton or manila hemp that STAYED wet when it got wet not polypropylene, tent stakes were metal not plastic, flash lights used D batteries not AAA. I could keep going, but that would be boring. :D

The thing is, we took what we needed and spread out the weight. One thing to clear up from my previous post - only 1 of the big stuff - 1 dutch oven, 1 full size axe, 1 bow saw, etc, not X of them.

I think back now and my attitude is, "Dang, if we'd'a had this light weight stuff, we could'a carried a whole lot more stuff". :D:D No one whined about how heavy things were, we complained about not having more stuff because we just couldn't cram any more stuff into or lash more onto the packs.
that's the school I'm from, I'm a boy scout from the 70s & 80s compared to what I carried then I am lightweight. :D
 
Hiker9, you have raised some interesting points there regarding different 'types' of groups that do outdoor activities. If I've read MIs OP correctly however, it would seem that the group he's going on the trek with are more of the recreational/camping, non-hardcore type that just want to enjoy some outdoor time. To be honest, if I were in this group and I only had a SAK and I saw someone with a big honking blade like the 2 I'd be all like ''aw man!" then I'd get all disappointed with my SAK. I suppose you could overcome this reasonably unlikely potentiality by bringing a knife for everyone..

MI, take it along, perhaps in your pack if you're really concerned (I'd still put the 17 in your pocket as well) You'll feel better and I'm sure the others will get over it especially when you show them how useful a decent sized TOOL like that can be. I personally think they'll be more intrigued than scared/put off. I'm sure at one stage in the evening they'll ask to have a look and feel of them. Who knows, you may convert a few peeps..

Oh yeah, I would never call Mad Indian 'socially uncalibrated'. I think the term you were after Hiker is 'anthropologically unhinged'..

'anthropologically unhinged' LOL
 
Ya know TheMadIndian, you're probably over thinking this anyway. You don't even know these people so who's to say they're even gonna be weird about it?
 
Ya know TheMadIndian, you're probably over thinking this anyway. You don't even know these people so who's to say they're even gonna be weird about it?

yea I'm just gonna strap it on like I would normally and if its an issue oh well. I'm being foolish trying to balance others possible fears with what could be my safety by not having a tool I'm comfortable and well practiced with in these types of situations. Trust me its a well loved

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Forget scaring your companions, thats a lot of steel to carry around on a hike or a backpacking trip.

Bring the Leatherman and a folding saw, that should handle fire prep and anything else while not looking threatening. I find I can do a lot with a Bahco Laplander and a small sharp knife.

I like your good sense approach but it's counter productive to then purpose of the thread and sub. Next time, add in the 14/24 to your list as an inside the pack add on and you'll get a [emoji106]. Lol


To answer the OP: bring what you feel is necessary, or that you feel safe with. Strap it, wear it, pack it.....whatever. Better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it. Damn those who say otherwise. Fear stupidity, not good sense.

Of course, if you do find yourself in such a tightwad group, I think it best to find a new group.
 
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So I'm part of a hiking meetup group and this weekend I'm going out with some of the group on a backpacking overnighter, that I've never met. On the hikes I've never brought out anything bigger than the 17 but thanks to trailbum's sheath that hides in the front pocket and normally I have my 11 kit on my belt in a scout carry. I have never seen anything larger than a swiss army knife or some type of folder out of the day hikers. I've noticed these going backpacking all talking fire craft to some degree, collecting tinder and such on the way and destinations based on firewood abundance.

I want to bring my bk2/14/leatherman/flashlight/firesteel combo out with me but I'm worried about freaking people out (as I've freaked out some friends I've taken out, people that know me...) but I also don't want to be without it as I prefer this setup over a hatchet and a folder

So what would you do?
Show up and put it on with your pack deal with it? (current thought)
Leave it in your pack? (its with me but a pain to get to)
Ask the group beforehand how they feel about knives? (this is my least favorite option)
Joey... You like movies about gladiators?

I wouldn't give what other people were going to say, or how they would react one second of thought. I would do what I always do, which is to consider what I needed or wanted on the trip, and act accordingly. If someone reacted negatively, it's their problem. If they made a negative comment, I'd tell them to piss off. If they were interested, or inquisitive in an intellegent/polite manner, I would talk about my hobby or provide my reasoning informatively and as equally polite. If they were the type that is scared or "offended", I probably wouldn't be with them in the first place, and certainly not again. If something bad happened along the way, those types are generally as useless as teats on a boar hog, and would likely have to be wet nursed and coddled to save their ass.

I carried a big blade with me on most Scout camping trips. On one occasion, while my son and I were on a Cub trip, I had it out cutting up some meat for dinner, and a whiny parent questioned the knife. I simply looked at her and shook my head. I told her it was a a tool that I was proficient at using, and was for cutting things. In this case, food. Then I told her it was perfectly safe and not to worry. She was fine after that. She started out polite, and remained that way. I was equally so. Some folks just need to be reassured.
Occasionally someone from other units would try to say fixed blades were prohibited in Scouting, and I would educate them as to the rules on the subject.

Not to mention, I am already a curmudgeon.

Doc
 
To the OP: It depends on the group and their objectives for the backpacking trip. Some trips are about covering a lot of miles or reaching a summit with minimal emphasis on camping, some aim to be casual/social activities with easy hiking and casual camping only, and some are about the camping experience/cooking/building fire, etc..

good point. i'd ask how many miles to the camp spot - i wouldn't want to be that guy holding up the rest of the group with frequent breaks because everyone went ultralight and i didn't. if you know where the destination is then that's good since you can always hang back and meet them there if you need to.


Damn I wanted to go to that one, this one is in Harriman, you should come ;-)

I'm in NY the knives I have are legal unless of course I went to NYC but I won't be hiking there :D

that's the school I'm from, I'm a boy scout from the 70s & 80s compared to what I carried then I am lightweight. :D

i have a friend who used to be a professional guide up in harriman and he confirmed there is no blade length limit while in the woods.
 
I wouldn't give what other people were going to say, or how they would react one second of thought. I would do what I always do, which is to consider what I needed or wanted on the trip, and act accordingly. If someone reacted negatively, it's their problem. If they made a negative comment, I'd tell them to piss off. If they were interested, or inquisitive in an intellegent/polite manner, I would talk about my hobby or provide my reasoning informatively and as equally polite. If they were the type that is scared or "offended", I probably wouldn't be with them in the first place, and certainly not again. If something bad happened along the way, those types are generally as useless as teats on a boar hog, and would likely have to be wet nursed and coddled to save their ass.

I carried a big blade with me on most Scout camping trips. On one occasion, while my son and I were on a Cub trip, I had it out cutting up some meat for dinner, and a whiny parent questioned the knife. I simply looked at her and shook my head. I told her it was a a tool that I was proficient at using, and was for cutting things. In this case, food. Then I told her it was perfectly safe and not to worry. She was fine after that. She started out polite, and remained that way. I was equally so. Some folks just need to be reassured.
Occasionally someone from other units would try to say fixed blades were prohibited in Scouting, and I would educate them as to the rules on the subject.

Not to mention, I am already a curmudgeon.

Doc

Permitted by BSA, but they were banned in the troop I was in growing up.
 
Bright Orange Handles. As soon as it looks like a piece of safety gear that you are explicitly not hiding, the pucker factor goes down.
 
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