Hinderer Half Track Issues...

I wouldn't take it apart unless he isn't going to try and request a refund. I know if I sold a knife on the secondary market and then the buyer tried to return it after taking it apart that would be a no no.
 
Absolutely DO NOT take that knife apart!!
Photodude!! Contact the seller and return the knife brother. At least try to adjust the selling price.....if you want to keep it.
I wouldn't, but that's just me.
I don't want to jump at the seller, but the knife was not as described.
Good luck.
Joe

jwh720 said:
I wouldn't take it apart unless he isn't going to try and request a refund. I know if I sold a knife on the secondary market and then the buyer tried to return it after taking it apart that would be a no no.
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Agree with Joe above.

After watching your video OP, I would return the knife as is to the seller and ask for a full refund. It just is not worth the hassle of going through Hinderer to have the issue fixed, but more importantly the seller did not reveal the issue (plus the ding on the butt of the handle).

On a side note, man - with these scratches and wear the anodized handle looks horrible.
 
Sure thing if you just received it and can send knife back then don't take it apart, but also don't post that the blade is touching the standoff if you force it when after watching your video you are clearly not even sure if it does... There aren't many videos on half-track disassembly, maybe it will help your channel there.
 
Lapedog said:
If I compare the size of the hole to the letters USA S35vn in Photoman's picture to the letter size compared to the hole in witty's picture it looks to me like photoman's may have an altered hole after all.

Look at the letter A of USA in Photoman's pic. The detent hole is big enough it could completely cover the A. Now look at witty's pic. The detent hole is way smaller than the A in USA.

I realize you can't actually compare by photos due to angle differences and whatever. If you look closely though and compare detent hole size to letter size it looks like it may have been altered.

Also isn't there something else on this knife stopping the blade from over closing other than a detent? For example the stop pin contacts part of the blade near the heel of the blade.
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I aftee that the OP's hole looks drilled.
 
Another reason i think it has been altered is because i dont understand how the blade dips all the way to the post.
Here is mine fully closed
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I tried to get a pic of me pushing on the spine from the same angle. The gap stayed the same with slight pressure on the spine.
I would most definitely contact the seller.
I cant imagine that a stock knife would do that.
However like whitty said even a dud could come from the ranch. Between the seller and rhk warranty service I think you'll be taken care of.
 
This thread hits home because I just discovered a chipped edge on my Spyderco s90v sprint Yojimbo 2. For the same reason-blade hit post,nicked the post and chipped the blade. And I have never done a dam thing to it. It was mint like out of the box new prior to that. I am sick. Now I gotta sharpen the crap out of it to get that out and it will never be like new again. I am sick because this was one of my pride and joys and wanted to keep it like new as long as I owned it.
 
That flat out sucks brother.
I carried mine today. Mine has room between the edge and the post. I'll try to get you a pic in a little while.
Joe

Mrgauth said:
This thread hits home because I just discovered a chipped edge on my Spyderco s90v sprint Yojimbo 2. For the same reason-blade hit post,nicked the post and chipped the blade. And I have never done a dam thing to it. It was mint like out of the box new prior to that. I am sick. Now I gotta sharpen the crap out of it to get that out and it will never be like new again. I am sick because this was one of my pride and joys and wanted to keep it like new as long as I owned it.
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Mine has space too and that is why I am dumbfounded. There is a nic in the post where the blade is chipped so it clearly hit there. I don’t get it. Honestly, crap like this makes me want to just carry and own cheap pieces of crap and if this stuff happens just throw it out and buy another. Could do that 10x for the price of one of these expensive knives. Ugh.

But sorry for deflecting the thread. Just frustrated.
 
Mrgauth said:
Mine has space too and that is why I am dumbfounded. There is a nic in the post where the blade is chipped so it clearly hit there. I don’t get it. Honestly, crap like this makes me want to just carry and own cheap pieces of crap and if this stuff happens just throw it out and buy another. Could do that 10x for the price of one of these expensive knives. Ugh.

But sorry for deflecting the thread. Just frustrated.
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This is why I think the knife had an alteration to the detent hole. When this happens they take the knife to test it but only put the knife back on the pivot and lockside. When they are pushing on it to see if it works, it slips up and off from the stop pins and hits the post. I have seen it on more than just Hinderer knives from customers who openly admit what they did. I have even had a customer bring his knife in to show me how he did it and ask me how to fix it.
 
I bought my knife directly from DLT brand new. I trust them. I probably wasting my time sharpening it as it will just get chipped again.
 
Mrgauth said:
I bought my knife directly from DLT brand new. I trust them. I probably wasting my time sharpening it as it will just get chipped again.
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Sorry when I replied to you I thought it was the OP. Now this is strange. DLT would certainly not send something out that had been altered. Do you have pics? Is this a newer model or older model? I am not doubting you at all, now it is more of a puzzle I want to help solve.
 
whitty said:
This is why I think the knife had an alteration to the detent hole. When this happens they take the knife to test it but only put the knife back on the pivot and lockside. When they are pushing on it to see if it works, it slips up and off from the stop pins and hits the post. I have seen it on more than just Hinderer knives from customers who openly admit what they did. I have even had a customer bring his knife in to show me how he did it and ask me how to fix it.
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Whitty, I respectfully disagree. The stop pin is what stops the blade on both "open" and "closed" positions. On open it must "time" with the lockbar snapping behind the tang (on a RIL/linerlock) and with the detent falling in place on "close". Enlarging the hole shouldn't allow standoff/backspacer contact with the blade if the stop pin is engaging the frame (on a blade mounted setup like the Halftrack).
 
So basically three things keep a blade locked in open position: the pivot, the stop pin, and the lockbar engaging with the lockface (blade tang).

Three things keep a blade in closed position: the pivot, the stop pin, and the detent ball sitting in the detent hole.

If any of these has an issue (too large or too small), it can potentially lead to the problem the OP is having. Most likely it is two of the three things are having issues, and hence it is very rare.

There was at least one thread discussing Spyderco Military blade wiggling up and down in closed position, although not to the point that the edge hits the back spacer. There was a more recent similar thread on the same issue on ZT knives. My ZT 0909 had this issue but KAI fixed it. As far as I can tell, they did not replace the blade or the liners, which led me to believe they must have replaced the detent ball, or the stop pin, or the pivot.
 
Officer's Match said:
Whitty, I respectfully disagree. The stop pin is what stops the blade on both "open" and "closed" positions. On open it must "time" with the lockbar snapping behind the tang (on a RIL/linerlock) and with the detent falling in place on "close". Enlarging the hole shouldn't allow standoff/backspacer contact with the blade if the stop pin is engaging the frame (on a blade mounted setup like the Halftrack).
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Your disagreement is not wrong it has more to do with my explanation. The best way to explain it is that the knife is not completely reassembled when testing the new detent hole. This will be better explained in a video. Unfortunately I am swamped tomorrow and Friday but will try to do it on a video over the weekend and post it here. Who knows maybe while doing the video I might discover something else.
 
Just as an FYI to everyone involved in this. I have never been shy about my love for the Half Track. Once I put one in my pocket I fell in love with the knife. I now personally own 10 of them. I know I sell them and I know we stock a ton of them. I also can say that when I started going nuts over the Half Track we did not have many in stock. I stock a lot of them because it is a product I truly believe in, and I want to offer variety. With that said I do not want it to sound like I am saying the 2 people on here are stating something that may not be true. I have said before that I have seen problems from every knife maker, custom and production. There can certainly be duds out there from any model. The best way to ever know is to send it back in to Rick. He is handling all returns/issues now and can quickly tell when a knife has been altered. After visiting the ranch and seeing their machinery and precision equipment, it is easy to see know how he can tell. I personally think they are awesome knives but if a dud or default is out there I will do everything I can to help someone get it fixed. I don't care if you bought it from me or not.
 
Hey all,
Mr. Hinderer replied to my inquiry personally which I really appreciated. Below is an excerpt from what he said. He offered to look at it but the seller offered to let me return it so that’s the route I’m going. It’s just more than I want to deal with.

“...in fact the way the knife is designed with the internal stop pin being both the locking point and the stop pin on the closing point and with the internal tracks milled into both the lockside and the liner side it is actually impossible for it to be doing that unless it was altered...“

He also said that it might be possible that Eklipse standoffs were installed on it which could cause the issue.
 
photoman12001 said:
Hey all,
Mr. Hinderer replied to my inquiry personally which I really appreciated. Below is an excerpt from what he said. He offered to look at it but the seller offered to let me return it so that’s the route I’m going. It’s just more than I want to deal with.

“...in fact the way the knife is designed with the internal stop pin being both the locking point and the stop pin on the closing point and with the internal tracks milled into both the lockside and the liner side it is actually impossible for it to be doing that unless it was altered...“

He also said that it might be possible that Eklipse standoffs were installed on it which could cause the issue.
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The seller better not be like "there's a chip in the blade I can't refund you. "
 
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