Hinderer Wharncliffe Came Open in Pocket

PURPLEDC said:
It is a matter of taste as all makers do things a little differently. Even if there is an overall consensus of what should be if you intentionally do not then is that way on purpose. ZT likes super hard detents. But that doesnt make a hinderer or CRK defective because their detents arent as heavy. And despite what "a lot of makers" do those makers are not Rick Hinderer. Im sorry many but too many people take the way they like something done and hold that up as a the standard in which all others should be measured. That is fine, you like what you like and it is the popular opinion. But others can do it a different way on purpose. Even if every single maker besides rick came on the forum and stated that a detent should be strong enough to not be able to shake the blade from the handle it would only apply to them. If a maker says "yeah I know what the norm is but I make mine different" then there is no argument. There is not a case for an item being "defective" if the item works in accordance with the makers intentions.
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True, how strong a detent is can be a matter of "taste" but this is the man's story "I carried it to work for the first time today and after lunch I thankfully noticed that the blade had come open in my pocket and the tip had actually pierced through my pants and was sticking out...This is only the 2nd time I've ever carried it and I wasn't particularly active or anything. I have a desk job. I can't imagine how it would have shaken out."

Clearly a defective product not a matter of "taste."
 
brownshoe said:
True, how strong a detent is can be a matter of "taste" but this is the man's story "I carried it to work for the first time today and after lunch I thankfully noticed that the blade had come open in my pocket and the tip had actually pierced through my pants and was sticking out...This is only the 2nd time I've ever carried it and I wasn't particularly active or anything. I have a desk job. I can't imagine how it would have shaken out."

Clearly a defective product not a matter of "taste."
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Not the way i see it. iMHO people have a responibility to research the products they buy and learn how to properly use and carry them. And lets be honest it doesnt take more than thirty seconds and the help of google to learn all you want about weak hinderer detents. If proper research had been done the person may never have bought the knife. And even if they chose to buy it anyways that research would have shown that carrying it tip up in the front right pocket with the spine at the edge of the pocket would most likely prevent the issue. If this was a zt then yeah id say its defective because they intentionally use strong detents. But its not its set up like a hinderer and they are pretty well known for this trait.

Furthermore if the detent was that weak and defective it should never have been put in the pocket much less the pocket it ended up in. User error as far as im concerned. We can say he didnt know but he should have. And again thats from a non hinderer fan. If im used to a gun with multiple safety features and i decide to make the switch to a gun with no safety and a hair trigger that I keep in the holster locked and cocked its my responsibility to learn the intricacies of that weapon. I dont blame the manufacturer for not putting a safety on it because i go and blow my toe off citing it being defective since its not set up like my other guns. I am not trying to defend the way hinderer does things. But it is how they do them.
 
Why has nobody figured out that originally, "flippers" we called as such because they could be flipped out using a touch of the finger and a wrist flick. Somewhere along the way, expectations changed so that any "flipper" that doesn't rocket out like an oversprung automatic is a piece of junk.

And tip up needs to be carried against a seam. Any other way is just a stupid gamble.
 
brownshoe said:
True, how strong a detent is can be a matter of "taste" but this is the man's story "I carried it to work for the first time today and after lunch I thankfully noticed that the blade had come open in my pocket and the tip had actually pierced through my pants and was sticking out...This is only the 2nd time I've ever carried it and I wasn't particularly active or anything. I have a desk job. I can't imagine how it would have shaken out."

Clearly a defective product not a matter of "taste."
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I wouldn't necessarily call it defective.

Rob Orlando said:
I have stated it publicly in our forums here and elsewhere on more than one occasion that XM folders do not have stiff flipper style detents. Rick designed the knife with 3 opening methods, flipper, thumbstud and inertia, a stiff detent will eliminate the inertia and possible the thumbstud for some folks and that is not how they were designed. So the spec that Rick has chosen is not for everyone, same goes with all knives out there, you either like the knife and it's features or you don't.
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Tripton said:
Why has nobody figured out that originally, "flippers" we called as such because they could be flipped out using a touch of the finger and a wrist flick. Somewhere along the way, expectations changed so that any "flipper" that doesn't rocket out like an oversprung automatic is a piece of junk.

And tip up needs to be carried against a seam. Any other way is just a stupid gamble.
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especially with a flipper and weak detent. To me its just common sense.
 
Tripton said:
Why has nobody figured out that originally, "flippers" we called as such because they could be flipped out using a touch of the finger and a wrist flick. Somewhere along the way, expectations changed so that any "flipper" that doesn't rocket out like an oversprung automatic is a piece of junk.

And tip up needs to be carried against a seam. Any other way is just a stupid gamble.
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I agree, the weak Hinderer detent was common knowledge, and I knew all about it long before I bought my first true Hinderer. Wrist flicking has become something equated with bad design, so he's making the necessary changes.

What the hell is that weird little guy in your avatar pic? I can't stop staring at him.
 
Can someone point me to where on the hinderer site they talk about the various detent styles and how to safely carry a knife with a weak one?
 
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