Hollywood - Knives worse enemy?

palonej said:
Your CPM steels didn’t crumble when used???
I sliced a pizza for me and my sons on Football Sunday with a Ti Millie and it’s edge actually burst into flame.....Gasbagger was right!!!

Maybe it was because I used a chopping motion???
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Sigh, was it painted?
 
palonej said:
DAMN!!!! I knew I forgot something.
He will be so disappointed with me.
:D
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I won't tell anyone. Lets keep this between us Joe, I don't want to tarnish your blade knowledge reputation!
 
I keep my nice customs in a glass case, and my user knives separate, so I've never had the problem of people gravitating towards the cheap stuff.

However, extrapolating from what people comment on when seeing the customs, I have learned one important fact: women like Les Voorhies knives. This is valuable information.
 
Say, does anybody know what kind of knife Gibbs uses on NCIS?;)

Getting a weird feeling of deja-vu here.....
 
I don't really think Hollywood needs to have any real influence anymore. Considering how many grown adults(male and female) scream like a 6 year old girl when they see a spider, I think the job of wussing out America is pretty much complete. People today are afraid of the THOUGHT of something actually happening to them, and therefore spend an inordinate amount of time stressing about it.
 
Dean51 said:
Hollywoods not the worst enemy but they play a part.
Main stream news media is not with out fault.
Some knife makers and their customers play a bigger role in why the non knife public views knives as weapons.

I remember when knife users simply opened their knives and used them. Now days people talk of whipping out and deploying their knife, and the resounding clank when it opens, just to cut a box or their lunch. :(
Mall ninja knives with no purpose, other than tacticool foolishness.

Videos of over weight gentleman slicing hanging meat and balistic gelatin torsos.

Knife names certainly don't help public opinion any.

Combat
Urban Camo Combat
Wolfhawk
Strikar
Parasite
Tactical Automatic
Tactical Service
Eviction
Skull Tactical
Tactical Response Automatic
Godfather
Piranha Virus, Bodyguard, Toxin
Stitch
Praetorian
Breacher
Panzer
Marauder
NAVWAR
Imortal
Chaos
Warcraft
Zombie
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So knives aren't weapons? "The public" can go eat a hotdog. I carry a blade for defense, and beleive you me, I've gone through the proper study and practice to use it effectively. It's a weapon. "The public" you speak of also frowns upon guns for defensive use. Thankfully they don't get to make decisions for me. :)
 
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GermanyChris said:
Remember how far the sheeple debate got us, this is getting us near that same point.
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Yeah, I didn’t do a very good job of writing the thread post. I didn’t really intend to stir up a debate about whether knives are weapons or not.

I was just curious to hear opinions regarding why a majority of people seem to gravitate to my gnarly mean looking knives even if they are junk.

No surprise that it’s probably just instinctual (same reason we like to see things blown up).

Dumb of me to not just stop there. By adding that bit about “legislation” I goobled things up.

Mentioning “Hollywood” was also poor judgement on my part.

It was all worth it after seeing that clever post comparing a Bentley to that Mad Max “car”
 
While I have been the one arguing tool, and trying to distill that concept to its simplest form, I must admit to something. Every knife I get is categorized for its weapon potential. I don't normally carry JUST a slip-joint or multi-tool. These I consider primarily palm loads, because the non-locking blade can be a bigger danger to me, and having to open a Bucktool to get at the goodies is a waste of valuable time. Generally I would rely on 17 rounds of .45ACP to get me out of a fix. But, in a dangerous situation, the one thing you can count on is not being able to count on anything. Being able to see the weapon potential of almost any object is an advantage. Even a handful of weaponized dirt thrown in the direction of the eyes can buy valuable time. BUT, until I throw it, it's just dirt.
 
Of course knives can be weapons. This has been true for many thousands of years. To suggest otherwise is to reject fact. The cutting tool is man's oldest invention, after the hammer. Which doubled as a bludgeon, if need be. The point being, other humans have been on the sharp pointy end of things for as long as there have been humans and sharp pointy things. This is history. It ain't pretty, but it is what it is. And, pardon me for not being politically correct, but to deny that history, to ignore what we are, to pretend that we're NOT just a really smart animal and therefore subject to all the same hardwired population controls as any other large predatory species in nature, is what got us into this mess.

I'd bet that more than 80% of the population doesn't think anything at all of knives as weapons unless the news is throwing it in their face that day. Two days later, they probably won't even remember it...
 
Herlock said:
Hi! It looks to me many inanimate objects and tools have been invented, designed and constructed by Man with the only purpose to kill other men. The first images which pops up in my mind are the Vickers machine guns and the poisonous gases employed during the WWI. Sure there can be numerous other examples. It’s very hard, for me, to imagine for these any recreational use. So, in my opinion, there are things which are, by original purpose, weapons.

Specifically when it comes to blades and knives, I also see some of these have been invented with the only purpose of being weapons; the first examples which pops up in my mind would be the daggers and the bayonets. With some imagination and some efforts in practice, though, I can figure out for these different “utility” uses (e.g. chop an onion and open K-rations).

Then there are the so called “restricted dangerous goods” or the “prohibited or restricted items”, most of us are familiar with (e.g. when taking a flight). These are not designed to be weapons but, for their inner characteristics could be more easily employed than other inanimate objects and tools to kill or wound other humans. Knives, in my opinion, exactly belongs here.

I see the legislation where I live (and in most of other European countries) tries to take this into consideration. As someone else already said, I personally would blame Hollywood (in a broader sense) only as a contributor for the ban of some specific types of knives, namely the switchblades and balisongs.

In Italy, the origins of an overall “hostility” and suspicion towards knives date back centuries; back to the times when nobility forbade the peasants to carry swords. That was a privilege only allowed to the nobles who were surely happily killing each other and did not step back when it came to pierce some peasants even for futile motives, but they did it “in style” and as “government representatives”. The peasants, for obvious practical and working reasons, were anyway allowed to use knives (albeit with many limitations already found in edicts and in the laws of the time). Soon these became the favourite “assault weapon” of brigands, stalkers, and “hothead” brawlers. The knife became literally the "sword of the poor".

Particularly in Rome, there has been an entire sub-culture who has gravitated around knives fights. In the city of the Popes, the knife was the weapon for excellence to resolve private disputes, especially within the terrible but fascinating world of the so called "Bullies".

The knife, with its ambivalence, is obviously a tool but can be easily turned into a weapon and it has been the protagonist of many bloodsheds with particular significance. In Italy, between the 1600s and the early of the '900, the city of Rome had the sad primacy for knives homicides, at least for those committed during the so called “duelli rusticani” (peasants duels, normally fought with knives).

Drawing a limit between the banned and the lawful has constituted the daily concern for the legislators in every age, precisely because of the ambivalence of the instrument and the nobility and the people alike have always tried to find shortcuts to circumvent the ever-changing laws. How not to remember e.g. the disguised knives of the sail makers or those of the saddles makers, that even had the needle eye to disguise their EDC knives as a working tool in that period? To “get to the knives”, in those ages, didn’t take that much: a second look to the wrong woman, the wine poured from the wrong side (read as an offence) or even a poor hand shake, it was just enough for the typical phrase "tira fora er cortello" (take out your knife).

I think society has evolved for the good for sure in this respect but these memories and history sort of remain ingrained in the imagination of the people. It will take time to delete or mitigate this “bad name” on knives, at least here and a lot depends on "us", the hobbyists, aficionados, hikers, etc.
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I have found at a flea market a K. Vickers pocket knife and I never heard of that brand before. I know they built weapon for England and their armed forces yet can not find anything about knife manufacturing.
 
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