Hollywood - Knives worse enemy?

Knives and firearms are not weapons and never will be; they are simply tools.

People who fear tools are irrational, although the media isn't helping them overcome this affliction.

People are attracted to goofy, dubious quality blades because they are ignorant and easily influenced by the marketing in video games and movies.

Maybe shoot them a link to BladeForums so they can learn about decent knives instead! :)
 
SkrufKnifer said:
But target pistols are not weapons? There intended purpose is to shoot papper target's. So not a weapon
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Since this has been explained multiple times to you let me try to break this down for you. The word "intent" definition means "intention or purpose" so, if you're being attacked and acting in self defence - or using it the item in an offensive manor and attacking somebody your INTENTION is to hurt/fight off the other person. Thus, the object you're using then legally becomes a weapon. If you use a rock, a knife, scissors, target pistols, or a rifle... if you use it against another another person with the intention of causing harm to them (whether it is self defence or offensive), it doesn't matter the primary function of the object, it now becomes a weapon.
 
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weap·on
ˈwepən/
noun
  1. a thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.
    "nuclear weapons"
    • a means of gaining an advantage or defending oneself in a conflict or contest.
      "resignation threats had long been a weapon in his armory"
 
Mitchell Knives said:
Knives and firearms are not weapons and never will be; they are simply tools.

People who fear tools are irrational, although the media isn't helping them overcome this affliction.

People are attracted to goofy, dubious quality blades because they are ignorant and easily influenced by the marketing in video games and movies.

Maybe shoot them a link to BladeForums so they can learn about decent knives instead! :)
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Knives & firearms are tools, so is a hammer, but if I harm somebody with them they become a weapon. Things are just not one thing, and when people say knives are "weapons" it is because they clearly don't understand how they're primary a tool not a weapon. However, attitudes like this do not help the cause, that is why most people don't care about swiss army knives as many people own them and they're seen primarily as a tool in the eyes of many. I use knives because they have been one of humanities tools with an extremely vast array of different functions for thousands of years. Pretending and ignoring that one of those many functions (and common use) has been used as a "weapon" for thousands years fights ignorance with ignorance.
 
Whether or not something is a weapon is due to the design and intent of the creator, not the intent of the user.

That ass of that 325 lb lady from Florida who sat on her little cousin and crushed her to death didn't magically become a weapon just because it was used to kill.
 
Mecha said:
Whether or not something is a weapon is due to the design and intent of the creator, not the intent of the user.

That ass of that 325 lb lady from Florida who sat on her little cousin and crushed her to death didn't magically become a weapon just because it was used to kill.
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Never underestimate the power of A$$ !
 
Mecha said:
Whether or not something is a weapon is due to the design and intent of the creator, not the intent of the user.

That ass of that 325 lb lady from Florida who sat on her little cousin and crushed her to death didn't magically become a weapon just because it was used to kill.
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Allow me to elaborate:

This is a car. It can be used to run someone over but it's still a car, it was just used to run someone over. It's creators' intentions were to provide luxury transportation.

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This is a stylized car made with the intent to be a weapon, specifically used to fight:

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I think it's an important distinction, and the reason why a "sword" usually has a complex hilt that can protect the hand, and balance that aids specifically in fighting, but a tool with a similar blade such as a nice machete does not. The design changes greatly due to the intent of the creator.
 
Mecha said:
Allow me to elaborate:

This is a car. It can be used to run someone over but it's still a car, it was just used to run someone over. It's creators' intentions were to provide luxury transportation.

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This is a stylized car made with the intent that to be a weapon, specifically used to fight:

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I think it's an important distinction, and the reason why a "sword" usually has a complex hilt that can protect the hand, and balance that aids specifically in fighting, but a tool with a similar blade such as a nice machete does not. The design changes greatly due to the intent of the creator.
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No more excuses Johnny - just go wax the car !
 
Mitchell Knives said:
Knives and firearms are not weapons and never will be; they are simply tools.

People who fear tools are irrational, although the media isn't helping them overcome this affliction.

People are attracted to goofy, dubious quality blades because they are ignorant and easily influenced by the marketing in video games and movies.

Maybe shoot them a link to BladeForums so they can learn about decent knives instead! :)
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Not true this knife was designed purely as a weapon, as are many. Most pistols and revolvers are designed solely as weapons. You can't sugar coat the facts.

In the 1990s Spyderco was approached by a specialized branch of U.S. law enforcement about making a knife for their undercover agents. These plain-clothes LEOs found themselves in situations where they often could not carry a firearm but carrying a knife was not a problem. Most had no formal training in self-defense tactics or MBC but as a last resort could use a blade to protect or extricate themselves from a life-threatening situation. This was how the Civilian model came to be.

The Civilian has a patented reverse "S" blade that's intended to be used like an oversized claw. The tip is ground to an ultra-thin profile. Deeply curved and full at the belly, the VG-10 ground blade excels in slicing and is available fully SpyderEdged. Because of its distinctly specialized features it is not intended or designed for general utility or everyday use. Curved in all the right places for ergonomic use and retention of the knife, the handle is black G-10. A two position clip supports discreet tip-up or tip down carry on the right side. One of the most specialized CLIPITS in the Spyderco line-up, the Civilian is available in limited quantities.
 
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The Civilian is a modified hawkbill; a tool which has been used in agriculture and maritime pursuits (among others) for ages.

Spyderco successfully modified the design of a common tool to meet perceived requirements. I carried a Matriarch when I was diving because it cut rope/line better than any other knife I had at the time.

A tool is not a weapon until it is used as such. Someone may design a knife to be used as a weapon, but it does not change the fact that it is a tool.

Oddly enough, most knives designed as weapons generally perform far worse than a universally recognized tool like a kitchen knife.
 
A tool for what? To be used to defend against a life or death attack. That makes it a self-defense weapon. It doesn't have to be used, merely designed as such, carried as such. It becoming a weapon only upon use is like saying an attack dog, only becomes an attack dog when it's unleashed on someone.

So, if I buy a knife designed to be used as a weapon and carry it as a weapon, to me that makes it a weapon. Just like if I train a dog to attack on command, it's an attack dog. It doesn't matter if I ever use it as one, it's still an attack dog.
 
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Charlie Mike said:
In BCT/ITB, the drills would ream us for calling it anything other than a weapon (unless referring to nomenclature).
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Yes I recall doing more than a few push ups when the gun word slipped.

I’m sure you may remember the “this is my weapon, this is my gun...” cadence.

Any firearm or knife is ultimately a tool it just depends on what type of work you need to do as to whether it is considered a weapon.
 
"It becoming a weapon only upon use is like saying an attack dog, only becomes an attack dog when it's unleashed on someone."

That's correct.

Knives are designed to separate matter.

If the knife is being used offensively/defensively, and the matter is living human flesh, it's a weapon only for that specific period of time.

Afterwards, it reverts back to tool status.

I have never seen a knife design that was only suitable for use as a weapon. It's not possible to design such an object.
 
willc said:
Yes I recall doing more than a few push ups when the gun word slipped.

I’m sure you may remember the “this is my weapon, this is my gun...” cadence.

Any firearm or knife is ultimately a tool it just depends on what type of work you need to do as to whether it is considered a weapon.
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So, carrying a knife designed as a weapon, as purely a weapon does not make it one?
Or, carrying a pistol designed as a weapon , for a weapon does not make it one? And when you get your concealed deadly weapons permit, you're not carrying weapons but tools? That is until you use them as weapons, then afterwards they aren't weapons, then they're again tools?
 
Maybe this will help: a weapon is a tool used either offensively or defensively to give one a mechanical or technical advantage, ie. length, leverage, concentration of force(the point), reach, etc, in the case of bladed instruments.

Nature saw fit not to give us claws. We therefore make our own...
 
jill jackson said:
So, carrying a knife designed as a weapon, as purely a weapon does not make it one?
Or, carrying a pistol designed as a weapon , for a weapon does not make it one? And when you get your concealed deadly weapons permit, you're not carrying weapons but tools? That is until you use them as weapons, then afterwards they aren't weapons, then they're again tools?
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A weapon is always a tool, a tool can be many things including a weapon if that’s what you’re doing with it.

You can blame the lawyers for this definition.
 
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