Honest objective criticism

Hickory n steel said:
Definitely.
The ironic thing is that I was typing about how easy it was to sharpen when it reminded me how sharp it is.
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Still not seeing the worth of this "takes an edge" thing. I mean, there's that "Seen on TV" commercial for that pull through sharpener where the guy sharpens a credit card and cuts a tomato with it.

I mean a credit card "takes an edge."
 
Hickory n steel said:
You guys aren't going to believe this, as I was typing this I was opening a pack of crackers with this Ozark trail knife. I wasn't paying attention when closing it and cut the tip of my index finger pretty good.
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You will have to make sure that didn't roll the edge! :p
 
I know quite a few people whom that particular knife would appeal to. They buy a cheap knife when they need one, and if it gets lost or broken they'll go get another cheap knife. They're the same way with their footwear. They buy $20-50 tennis shoes every year. Over say, 8 years, they'll spend $3-400 on throwaway shoes. I wear lineman's boots, all day, every day, for the most part. I appreciate good footwear and consider the $450 I spent on them to be worth it. For about the same money they will spend, I have all the footwear I need for anything I do. Hell, I've had the same pair of $50 tennis shoes for 5 years, I hardly ever wear them because I'm too busy trying to wear out the boots before I get too old to lace them. I'm the same way with knives. I generally don't carry anything much less than about $100, because I appreciate good tools as well, and the quality I prefer isn't exactly cheap. But I have a $40 CRKT Fossil in my pocket right now, as a useful tool for certain jobs I'd rather not do with my fixed blade EDC. That's about as cheap as I go, personally.

My friends still wear out a lot of shoes before I do. And they break or lose a lot of cheap knives. Tho I've tried to convince some of them that more money spent up-front equals more long-term satisfaction, they don't care. And we're still friends...

Edited to add: In the spirit of honesty, I do have a $9 Coast liner lock in my tool-box.
 
justjed said:
I know quite a few people whom that particular knife would appeal to. They buy a cheap knife when they need one, and if it gets lost or broken they'll go get another cheap knife. They're the same way with their footwear. They buy $20-50 tennis shoes every year. Over say, 8 years, they'll spend $3-400 on throwaway shoes. I wear lineman's boots, all day, every day, for the most part. I appreciate good footwear and consider the $450 I spent on them to be worth it. For about the same money they will spend, I have all the footwear I need for anything I do. Hell, I've had the same pair of $50 tennis shoes for 5 years, I hardly ever wear them because I'm too busy trying to wear out the boots before I get too old to lace them. I'm the same way with knives. I generally don't carry anything much less than about $100, because I appreciate good tools as well, and the quality I prefer isn't exactly cheap. But I have a $40 CRKT Fossil in my pocket right now, as a useful tool for certain jobs I'd rather not do with my fixed blade EDC. That's about as cheap as I go, personally.

My friends still wear out a lot of shoes before I do. And they break or lose a lot of cheap knives. Tho I've tried to convince some of them that more money spent up-front equals more long-term satisfaction, they don't care. And we're still friends...

Edited to add: In the spirit of honesty, I do have a $9 Coast liner lock in my tool-box.
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My brother is one of those who keeps buying junk knives.
After about a month he'll notice a handle screw missing then within a few more weeks one half of the pivot screw will be gone.
I think this one is better than those $10+ junk AO's he buys, so I may tell him to start buying these instead because they're also much cheaper.
He won't spend more on a Buck or Kershaw so he might as well spend less and be getting a little more for his money than he currently is.
 
Well for me the the love affair is over :(,so I really like the looks of the knife and you cant beat <$4.10 price tag ,and I went and picked one up from Walmart and mine was sharp out of the pkg. ,but still touched it up further with some ceramic stones till cut phonebook paper nicely.I made about 10, six inch cuts in priority box cardboard then I started doing what an mtech knife did to me couple of years ago , it just started collapsing/tearing the cardboard,resharpened it to shaving 2x and did the same thing again ,bummer I kind of had a little more expectations for it,actually not sure what to do with it probably give it to one of the guys at work -thanks H&S made the day go by faster
 
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BITEME said:
Well for me the the love affair is over :(,so I really like the looks of the knife and you cant beat <$4.10 price tag ,and I went and picked one up from Walmart and mine was sharp out of the pkg. ,but still touched it up further with some ceramic stones till cut phonebook paper nicely.I made about 10, six inch cuts in priority box cardboard then I started doing what an mtech knife did to me couple of years ago , it just started collapsing the cardboard,resharpened it to shaving 2x and did the same thing again ,bummer I kind of had a little more expectations for it,actually not sure what to do with it probably give it to one of the guys at work -thanks H&S made the day go by faster
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Well that sucks, I don't cut lots of cardboard but at least we know they're not for those who do.
At least you had some fun testing out a new knife and only had to spend $4, to do it.

I may have to get some cardboard and see what mine does.
 
I just made 100 cuts on a cardboard box and it was still shaving hair off my arm and cutting phone book paper pretty well afterwards.

This was cereal box type cardboard if that makes a difference.
 
The knife still cuts,just the keen edge was not there,maybe im just used to d2,xhp,m390,etc..- It's always an interesting experience playing around getting a feel for the lower end of the spectrum once in a while you can stumble upon some good budget buys -the mtech i spoke about earlier was a much better looking version of the Cold Steel mini recon it had tan g10 and black washed blade it really was a looker,then after a few weeks the pivot started getting a little loose and I was constantly sharpening it after a while I just kind of gave up on it.
 
The design itself looks great. Makes me think of an ontario rat 1 and ontario utilitac hybrid. If say, kershaw made a USA made version of this I think it would for sure be a seller. Just looks like a good, stout little knife to me.
 
buffalo01 said:
The design itself looks great. Makes me think of an ontario rat 1 and ontario utilitac hybrid. If say, kershaw made a USA made version of this I think it would for sure be a seller. Just looks like a good, stout little knife to me.
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I think so, and of course a few design improvements would be made.
Swappable clip, and a better thumb stud shape.
I'm not saying they should go around taking designs from cheap knives, but this particular knife design really says Kershaw.
 
marcinek said:
And have you gotten any evidence of that?

To me taking a good edge isn't that important. Anything will do that. Keeping a good edge is important.
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He said "in my opinion for a knife this inexpensive all that really matters is that it takes a good edge and is safe to use without failing in short order". What evidence are you asking for? Evidence that he should be allowed to have an opinion about what is important to him personally?
 
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LastRodeo said:
He said "in my opinion for a knife this inexpensive all that really matters is that it takes a good edge and is safe to use without failing in short order". What evidence are you asking for? Evidence that he should be allowed to have an opinion about what is important to him personally?
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Evidence that it "is safe to use without failing in short order," like he claimed in the post I quoted.
 
Hickory n steel said:
Well that sucks,....
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Yes, but it "takes an edge" which, which you said, along with not failing, is "all that really matters".

Hickory n steel said:
in my opinion for a knife this inexpensive all that really matters is that it takes a good edge and is safe to use without failing in short order.
For a work bench, loaner, or tackle box knife thats just fine.
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So it seems, by your requirements, that it would not "suck."

I guess I'm confused and am hoping you would expand further. :thumbsup:

And, just my opinion here, as a knife dulls it becomes less safe to use. A knife that cannot retain its edge become unsafe to use in short order, regardless of how well it takes an edge.
 
marcinek said:
Evidence that it "is safe to use without failing in short order," like he claimed in the post I quoted.
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How he uses his knives may not be the same as you. If he only uses it for light duties and it has never failed, wouldnt in his opinion it be be safe to use and wouldn't fail in short order?

Cheap knives work for him. Cut him some slack.
 
LastRodeo said:
How he uses his knives may not be the same as you. If he only uses it for light duties and it has never failed, wouldnt in his opinion it be be safe to use and wouldn't fail in short order?

Cheap knives work for him. Cut him some slack.
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He appears to making his judgement based on not having used the knife for more than looking at it, tearing paper, cutting his finger, cutting cereal box "cardboard" and opening and closing it. Maybe he has reported on some testing he has done after he made his claims.
 
marcinek said:
He appears to making his judgement based on not having used the knife for more than looking at it, tearing paper, cutting his finger, cutting cereal box "cardboard" and opening and closing it. Maybe he has reported on some testing he has done after he made his claims.
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To be totally honest how many knives that get rave reviews here get the same treatment, if not babied even more?
 
willc said:
To be totally honest how many knives that get rave reviews here get the same treatment, if not babied even more?
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That may well be true, but then I’d question how much one can take away from such a review. I have no idea how robust a knife is or how its edge will hold up, until I have used it to cut more challenging materials. On the other hand, if the knife works for the purposes of its user and the user likes the knife, then who can complain?
 
marcinek said:
He appears to making his judgement based on not having used the knife for more than looking at it, tearing paper, cutting his finger, cutting cereal box "cardboard" and opening and closing it. Maybe he has reported on some testing he has done after he made his claims.
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He made 100 cuts through cardboard. That may be more abuse than he would typically put to a knife in 10 lifetimes.

He has proved it's durability for his use and purposes.

Your mileage may vary. Why does he have to prove its up to your use/abuse standards?

Buy your own knife and destroy it, then come back and let us know it's limits .
 
The gist of this whole thread is that I received this knife as a gift and didn't expect anything out of it, I was surprised by it and in testing have determined that it is perfectly adequate for my needs. ( I've got fixed blades for heavier work )
I don't typically make anything near 100 cuts on cardboard in a month and often have more than one knife on me, so I'm confident that it'll still be sharp after a week and that's honestly an acceptable blade for my needs.
I may prefer a slightly harder blade like Bucks 420hc, but this knife will work so I'll find a use for it as it was a gift.
I tried, but I just can't knock it knowing what it is for the cost.
 
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