Honest opinion from a new Buck owner...without any bias one way or another

[wh4f]

I am amazed they can produce such a high quality blade at the price.

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[DarrylS]

I would understand if the moderator wants to delete it.

...You could "delete" it yourself by clicking on the "Edit" button on the lower right corner of your post...Not suggestin' ya should but "mods" don't like deletin' stuff too much...

 

[kyhunt]

They can keep the ipod. I like being behind the times. Its the simple things in life that are the most enjoyable. The ipod would end up in the trash the Buck 110 would end up being another good user. Design wise there is no need for improvement on the 110. I have looked at Case hammerhead, sharktooth, and even own a stag Mako,an old Scharade lockback #7, Schrade Lake & Walker 2. And none of them compare to the durabilty of the 110. My 110 with serrations has been abused, cut drywall, cut paneling, cut floor tile, cut wire, cut small game, cut vegatable, cut steak, even cut through a steel tomatoe stick that was plastic coated ( thought it was plastic all the way through) and it still not only usable but looks decent still. If blade gets a little loos give it a little tap with the hammer on the rivet , sand paper to smooth it out andits good as new. The only thing that would turn me against the 110 is if they started making them overseas. Keep them USA.

 

[aza77]

I see advertisements for Buck Knives every month in my outdoor magazines.

I guess this was the point I was trying to make. If you want Buck to continue to survive and thrive while all the other American cutlery companies go under...it may be necessary to expand the advertising beyond "your outdoor magazines."

If a person (non outdoorsy type who doesn't read your magazines) goes out to buy a knife...let's say his first and possibly only hunting or fishing knife for a fishing or camping trip...wouldn't you think that it might be nice if that person knew that Buck knives was "THE" brand to buy and the 110 or 119 is "THE" only knife they'll need (for example but it could be some other model).

Everyone who reads your magazines already knows (for the majority) what Buck knives are and that they are made in the U.S.A. Some of you had sort of responded snidely to the ipod packaging comparison...but to be honest...and listen carefully to this....

THAT is the generation that will be responsible for the future of Buck as a company. If you do not target the growing number of people who will be the purchasing majority in the next fifty years, the company will go the way of Schrade and Camillus and it won't be for lack of quality. It'll be lack of sales. It may not happen tomorrow or ten years from now...but it will happen. The average kid today is not the average kid from thirty or forty years ago. Outdoor activities, camping, scouts, fishing and everything else is being replaced with xbox, ipods, DVD, and faster foods. If you don't agree with this, then I might just be living in a different America. But as I see it, the average kid knows what an ipod is...and probably does not know what a buck 110 is.

That is fact, not an opinion. Go out on the street and ask anyone (not your knife friends) below the age of 20 what an ipod is...then ask what a buck 110 is. That's what I'm talking about.

I could be really stupid and off base about this whole thing...but I have never seen any company that has been harmed by good advertising.

 

[aza77]

Okay, I removed part of my post where I was proposing ideas for what Buck could do on the advertising front. I hope that it sits well with those of you who objected. I was honestly only trying to offer suggestions for what is a beloved American company.

Also, in regards to the ipod, I was speaking about the packaging specifically.

 

[kyhunt]

I understand where your coming from. But most folks that are on their first hunting trip has usually been around someone that has been hunting. Word of mouth is some of the best advertising. I may get in trouble for using this example, but look at Case. You don't see alot of advertising but they have been around along time. Yes they have had their share of problems as any other company has. Most non-outdoors types as you put it aren't going to care what they buy. I not trying to sound harsh but its not a companies fault that outdoor activities ar being replaced by technology. As parents, hunters, fishermen and women, and collectors, we need to strive to bring more people into the market. When someone ask me what knife I suggest I always tell them if I was going out to buy a knife it would either be a Case or a Buck. I tell them if they want a real hard user to get a Buck. Why because the product is good. Too many companies have gone to overhype in their advertising. I'm not saying advertising hurts but too much advertising will raise prices of the product. When the average non-outdoors goes to look at knives they are manly looking at price. I understand why Buck makes some knives overseas, to stay competitive with the competetion at Walmart and other discount merchants. Do I like the fact?? Not at all. I have no problem dropping $50-$100 for a knife. But some folks can't understand paying $20. Its not just up to American companies to make sure they survive. Its up to us consumer that love their products to help them survive. After all American industry is our industry. Not mad. Just think we as knife collectors and outdoors men need to do our part in bringing more people into the outdoors.

 

[wh4f]

Word of mouth is some of the best advertising. Most non-outdoors types as you put it aren't going to care what they buy. As parents, hunters, fishermen and women, and collectors, we need to strive to bring more people into the market. When someone ask me what knife I suggest I always tell them if I was going out to buy a knife it would be a Buck. I tell them if they want a real hard user to get a Buck. Why because the product is good. Too many companies have gone to overhype in their advertising. I'm not saying advertising hurts but too much advertising will raise prices of the product. When the average non-outdoors goes to look at knives they are manly looking at price. I understand why Buck makes some knives overseas, to stay competitive with the competetion at Walmart and other discount merchants. Do I like the fact?? Not at all. I have no problem dropping $50-$100 for a knife. But some folks can't understand paying $20. Its not just up to American companies to make sure they survive. Its up to us consumer that love their products to help them survive. After all American industry is our industry. Not mad. Just think we as knife collectors and outdoors men need to do our part in bringing more people into the outdoors.

This quote pretty much sums it up for me.

 

[110 Dave]

This quote pretty much sums it up for me.
I found out about Buck knives from my dad, ....My question is still was this thread started for real "cosmetic problems" or was it for an advertising ploy? (just my .02 again )

well i did not find out from my dad!!! he liked to poop when he found i paid so mucn for it in 67!
but it was like a craftsman tool
= expensive but if it broke take it back for a new one!
they are not expensive compared to gas
gas then @ .25 gal vs 110 @ 10.00

gas now is 3.00 gal vs a 110 @ 60.00 (msrp)
so what cost more from then?

wow is all i can say...

the subject is mute as to the rest
at this point he either is beating a dead horse and wont come off
or he has some other puropse in mind...
some times poop happens some times it only is thought to happen -
so what -
quit takeing it around on your finger holding it
under every ones nose and asking
"man ~i think this smells like poop. dont you think this smells like poop? "

most dont,,, so if you have other subjects like advertiseing and the future of buck with new generation of knife buyers

START A NEW THREAD!
let this horse RIP.... play taps for it ... dee dee dee deeeeeeee...

 

[aza77]

My question is still was this thread started for real "cosmetic problems" or was it for an advertising ploy? (just my .02 again )

I don't understand how it could be an advertising "ploy"...If you're trying to make it look like I started a whole discussion so that I could make an "advertising ploy", then I really would ask you to go back and read the whole thing. I don't have any control over who posts or how many in reply to a question that I asked. I asked it in good faith to a group of Buck afficianados who I thought would answer the question for me. I got some great responses, some of which were informational, some of which were simply "don't talk about it...just buy it or don't question it's quality".

Joe replied much later in the conversation and actually said "I really really like your ideas"...Now let me ask you, wouldn't you say that it sounds like the people at Buck are INTERESTED in hearing what new buyers think about their knives? So by me trying to make a few suggestions, I don't think you can accuse me of having some masterminded scheme of creating an "advertising ploy" and quite honestly, it sort of makes me feel not too welcome...like "speak your mind a bit...but don't go to far...we like Buck EXACTLY the way it is.

Well I'm sure that's what the schrade and camillus people were saying as well. I wasn't trying to CHANGE a product, I was simply saying..."hey, this thing is a good knife...maybe it should be delivered in good condition, and possibly packaged and advertised to an uneducated public."

How do you expect other people who don't have access to your knowledge about knives to know that Buck is the name to buy? Are you going to call them all up? Are you going to hand them all a copy of an outdoor magazine and say, "hey look at page 18...see that buck knife...you need to buy one."

All I was saying is that commercial advertising on television plays a HUGE role in visibility. You guys can still buy all your knives, but it would be nice if NEW people could be initiated as well...without having to ASK for the knowledge.

Remember, by the time someone new goes out and buys a knife...once they've spent their fifteen or twenty dollars on a no name import knife, there's no way they're going back to buy the forty dollar Buck. You gotta get em first.

And I don't know what the hostility to the ipod is...it sounds more personal than anything...but ummm...it really has caught on. And honestly, it seems like an easier sell to me to convince someone to buy a 20 to 30 dollar knife than it is to sell them a 250 dollar walkman.

The ipod marketing team must be doing something right. Just cause you don't use one doesn't mean there isn't a generation of people who do.

And as far as the last post about stopping discussion on this topic...that's no problem with me. I really do appreciate EVERYTHING that everyone has said. It has educated me not only in this knife and Buck, but in the Buck buyers as well. Can't pay for a better education about such topics. I'm happy to be a Buck user and thank you for your help and info.

 

[aza77]

"Made a new thread about my diamondback purchase."

 

[wh4f]

No undies were bunched in the making of this post...

 

[aza77]

Wh4f...

What was the best selling schrade knife in 2003-2004? Doesn't really matter right? No matter what it was, the overall sales couldn't keep the company alive.

About a company or it's representatives being too nice...I don't think that's possible. I went out and bought MORE Buck knives because the guy was so friendly and willing to help. I have said before that I was not and am still not happy about the condition I got my brand new 110's in but am extrememly pleased with the 119 and 471's. I don't think that I'm an irrational person and still believe there is a difference in how those knives came out of the package as opposed to my 110's. That's my personal experience...may not be yours.

Now about your last post...you keep mentioning what "YOU value and what you want to pay for and buy"...I am trying to tell you that maybe "others" might be persuaded to buy this knife if it was presented differently. Buck has already had to outsource knife manufacturing, change locations and I'm sure more that we don't know.

Would you be okay paying a buck more per knife if it meant that a thousand more units were sold overall to new people? And if not, why would you be opposed to the possibility of giving people the choice. Just as they do now, keep the box style and just change the clamshell packaging. To be honest, it doesn't even have to increase the cost of the product if more units can be sold by having higher demand and higher exposure.

I'm just saying that you alone can't keep a company in business. Every business has to thrive to survive and if the market keeps shrinking and shrinking, you know what will happen. Why be opposed to thinking in new and innovative ways to try and compete with cheaper priced products? Buck will never be the cheapest, so distance yourself from the cheapies...Go upmarket in perception so people WANT to pay the price to have the best. And again, I'm not talking about all of you who ALREADY have a Buck...I'm talking about the ones who don't.

 

[Rocinante]

Even 'I' (usually game to give a dead horse a couple more whacks) am sick to death of this flogging.

It seems to be running a loop now, with the same stuff over and over again.

Seems we've covered every possible aspect of the topic.

However, if someone has something gnu to say......I'll be around.

 

[aza77]

I agree completely Rocinante

 

[110 Dave]

I don't understand how it could be an advertising "ploy"...

i dont either

I don't have any control over who posts or how many in reply to a question that I asked...:

they call me decaf dave for a reason

Joe replied much later in the conversation and actually said "I really really like your ideas"...

oddly enught...some if makes lots of sence

Now let me ask you, wouldn't you say that it sounds like the people at Buck are INTERESTED in hearing what new buyers think about their knives?

yep but i never said they wernt

I don't think you can accuse me of having some masterminded scheme of creating an "advertising ploy"

yea you are right but i didn't

and quite honestly, it sort of makes me feel not too welcome...like "speak your mind a bit...but don't go to far...we like Buck EXACTLY the way it is

ho did i do that ? hgh- sorry i will drink decaf or not post in the mornings

How do you expect other people who don't have access to your knowledge about knives to know that Buck is the name to buy? Are you going to call them all up? Are you going to hand them all a copy of an outdoor magazine and say, "hey look at page 18...see that buck knife...you need to buy one."

got a point there... i dont read out door sporting or sport mags my self much at all ... some times in a wateing room but that is all
i like smithshonen mag and national geo and sat evening post:thumbup:

All I was saying is that commercial advertising on television plays a HUGE role in visibility.

ok you convenced me !!! i agreeeeee!
al buck was the first to advertise in mags and they lafed at him...but not now

You guys can still buy all your knives, but it would be nice if NEW people could be initiated as well...without having to ASK for the knowledge.

nope , if they dont seak the light of knolage, why should i strick a match? :grumpy:

You gotta get em first.

i said i agree!!!
.

And as far as the last post about stopping discussion on this topic...that's no problem with me. I really do appreciate EVERYTHING that everyone has said. It has educated me not only in this knife and Buck, but in the Buck buyers as well. Can't pay for a better education about such topics. I'm happy to be a Buck user and thank you for your help and info.

glad to be of asstance in your quest for more light..
welcome to the forum
pull up a stool and sits rite chere for a spell ...
never knows whats decaf dave will say next!:foot:

No undies were bunched in the making of this post..

then why do i feel like i gots a huge weggie!!!

 

[Maverick4546]

No undies were bunched in the making of this post...

LMBO :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: