How bad is my batch ?

"In regions like the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) province, resistance and hesitancy toward polio vaccines are driven by socio-cultural, political, and religious factors."

Sound familiar?

"This essay focuses on two key dimensions of polio-related misinformation on social media in Pakistan: the current landscape of polio misinformation and the governmental efforts aimed at mitigating its effects."

On the bright side, they don't have an orange dude on TV telling people to drink bleach...


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Polio vaccine misinformation on social media: challenges, efforts, and recommendations

On April 22, 2019, false rumors regarding the side effects of the polio vaccine quickly spread across various social media platforms, including Facebook, X (formerly known as Twitter), WhatsApp, and YouTube. This rapid spread of misinformation had a detrimental impact on Pakistan's...
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I'm saying pre-vaccine Johns Hopkin Hospital in Baltimore was renting cooler trailers to store the bodies

How long would you have waited given this advice from the scientific community (Remember, this isn't from Youtube fear-mongers, Q, uniformed blond talking heads screaming about their children or 'heard from a friend before They silenced him' web-based conspiracists.)

Vaccine Development against COVID-19: Study from Pre-Clinical Phases to Clinical Trials and Global Use - PMC

As per the World Health Organization (WHO), more than 288 vaccines against COVID-19 are being developed, with an estimated 184 being presently investigated in the pre-clinical phases, while 104 of these vaccine candidates are at various stages of ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
Chefget said:
I'm saying pre-vaccine Johns Hopkin Hospital in Baltimore was renting cooler trailers to store the bodies

How long would you have waited given this advice from the scientific community (Remember, this isn't from Youtube fear-mongers, Q, uniformed blond talking heads screaming about their children or 'heard from a friend before They silenced him' web-based conspiracists.

Vaccine Development against COVID-19: Study from Pre-Clinical Phases to Clinical Trials and Global Use - PMC

As per the World Health Organization (WHO), more than 288 vaccines against COVID-19 are being developed, with an estimated 184 being presently investigated in the pre-clinical phases, while 104 of these vaccine candidates are at various stages of ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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I’ll repeat the question.

Are you saying that the Covid vax went through the proper steps before being released to the public?
 
I do.

Cost/benefit analysis in releasing the vaccine at the time was correct, and even more so in hindsight.

Below is an article from Forbes Dec 2020. I assume they also are part of the Big Conspiracy, but the sense of panic is palatable.

So I will ask again; how long would you put off saving hundreds if not thousands of lives daily?

www.forbes.com

November’s Grim Covid-19 Totals: More Than 4.3 Million Infections And 37,000 Americans Killed

Approximately 51 Americans were killed by the coronavirus every hour in November.
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From the Forbes article:

“There were 37,172 Covid-related deaths reported in the U.S. over the past month, with 25 states setting weekly death records.“

This hasn’t aged well, we now know that the counts were misleading. For instance:

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Check on vaccination policies of the different countries in the above chart.

Chefget said:
I do.

Cost/benefit analysis in releasing the vaccine at the time was correct.
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Sure. The question is who benefited.

Being critical of the Covid vaccine does not imply being critical of other vaccines. It’s nothing else but a popular progressive strawman argument, to say it nicely.
 
Chefget said:

Thankfully this political bs hadn't worked with the polio vaccine, or the many others...

Just think of the further illness if it was suggested to use bleach in place of the polio vaccine (and people believed it, like now)...

Certainly there are better wacky fights to demonize the 'other' side for your political purposes?
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While both include vaccines and shitty diseases, the situations are quite different.

Polio and it's effects have been known for thousands of years whereas Covid 19 was a novel virus.

Yes, Covid was bad but even in summer of 2020 the media and powers that be were giving mixed signals regarding what to do. Many of the same people denouncing lock down protests saying that you'll kill grandma were all for the "summer of love" protests. That's incongruous with logic and caused doubt in their messaging.

The polio vaccine also had about 2 decades of R&D before they became publicly available.

Covid vaccines were developed in under a year and received truncated emergency approval. And were then mandated by businesses and the government.


I don't think most people were against the existence or administration of this experimental vaccine, they were against it being mandatory to work and live.


While there's overlap, conflating traditional anti vaxers with those against the Covid mandated Vax is a lazy dismissing tactic that ignores the nuance of the situation.


Also, the Mango Menace did not tell people to drink bleach. Please stop spreading misinformation. It's been over 4 years, at some point this accusation should be considered a deliberate lie.
 
If you were to review Pfizer's own data from their limited trials, you might discover that their own records showed that 44% of pregnant women who were inoculated in their abbreviated study suffered aborted fetuses. I know this is not in the legacy media. And I know that most doctors are ignorant of this data. But through a court order, Pfizer was forced to reveal the records they wanted sealed for 75 years. So the data is available, but you have to look for it. Most people don't.
palexander.substack.com

Daily Clout (Naomi Wolf): "Forty-Four (44%) Percent of the Pregnancies in a Pfizer Study Ended in Miscarriages. Pfizer Misleadingly Reclassified Them

August 12, 2022 • by Berberine on Gettr
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The women listed in Listing of Subjects Reporting Pregnancy After Dose 1 received between one and four injections each. 42 of the women received the trial drug right away. Eight received the placebo and were then unblinded and given the vaccine. So, by March 31, 2021, all the pregnant women in the trial had received Pfizer’s BNT162b2 version of the vaccine.

Pfizer notes the miscarriages as serious adverse events (SAEs) with ‘moderate’ (2) or ‘severe’ (3) toxicity ratings. However, all the miscarriages were reported as being unrelated to the trial vaccine – i.e., having ‘Other’ causes – and marked as ‘Recovered/resolved’ adverse effects. To reiterate, not only does Pfizer deny any vaccine-related causality and assert the losses of life had other causes, but it also categorizes losing a baby as a ‘resolved adverse effect’ – like a headache that went away…
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Considering what was already known and still unknown about the technology, the inability to test and control it, and all prior failures in this arena due to efficacy and/or safety.…

Considering the failed attempts at creating vaccines for related or similar viruses, the sheer impossibility, and the harms discovered along the way, it would not be a stretch to call the whole project abjectly evil and a dismal failure is a compliment.
 
Chefget said:
I'm saying pre-vaccine Johns Hopkin Hospital in Baltimore was renting cooler trailers to store the bodies

How long would you have waited given this advice from the scientific community (Remember, this isn't from Youtube fear-mongers, Q, uniformed blond talking heads screaming about their children or 'heard from a friend before They silenced him' web-based conspiracists.)

Vaccine Development against COVID-19: Study from Pre-Clinical Phases to Clinical Trials and Global Use - PMC

As per the World Health Organization (WHO), more than 288 vaccines against COVID-19 are being developed, with an estimated 184 being presently investigated in the pre-clinical phases, while 104 of these vaccine candidates are at various stages of ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Scientific community.....wtf is That???
I'm a stupid Nobody, certainly didn't graduate in a microbiological field....
Yet I remember in what, possibly grade school how small viruses are.
Instantly I knew anyone pushing masks had darker motives.

Early on I coined "$cience"...&... I'd be RICH in T-Shirt sales, if I wasn't so lazy.

There are no experts! (publicly who address us) (Yes, I know there are expert behind closed doors, but they aren't treating My loved ones)
I live in a far more based reality.
 
kwackster said:

28-year-old news anchor dies suddenly of a brain aneurysm​


www.today.com

28-year-old news anchor dies suddenly of a brain aneurysm

Ana Orsini's colleagues announced her unexpected death in an emotional live broadcast.
www.today.com www.today.com

This is currently happening all over Europe, and according to the legacy media it's all due to climate change.
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We have the same tragic idiocy here. They are teaching “climate change” in medical school now. Too many things to address with the problem in your link, so we do nothing. Each man for himself. Have to use your own brain.

To be fair people can die of an aneurysm because unless they are caught by accident on a scan or one starts to leak causing a headache, most people don’t know they are a ticking time bomb until it is too late. Nothing to do with climate change though.
 
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Nobody tracks the vaccination status vs. cause of death. So it's hard to state that there is a correlation.

However, if you go back through my posts in the thread, there's one in which someone was able to correlate death rates to the roll out of the vaccine in Europe. Death rates actually increased after the roll out. And the age of death dropped from being mostly old people before the vaccine, to an increase in death rate among younger folks after the roll out hit that age group.
 
knarfeng said:
Nobody tracks the vaccination status vs. cause of death. So it's hard to state that there is a correlation.

However, if you go back through my posts in the thread, there's one in which someone was able to correlate death rates to the roll out of the vaccine in Europe. Death rates actually increased after the roll out. And the age of death dropped from being mostly old people before the vaccine, to an increase in death rate among younger folks after the roll out hit that age group.
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But what about the polio vaccine? Vaccines have saved so many lives historically that the quickly developed ones must be good too. So good that you should lose your job for not getting them, etc.
 
jux t said:
But what about the polio vaccine?
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What about it? This thread is about negative reactions to the Covid Vaccine, not all vaccines. The Covid vaccine was based on completely different technology than any other vaccine which has been administered to the public.

The fact that one of the lawyers helping Kennedy was a lawyer for a completely different client who did not want the polio vaccine says nothing about Kennedy. And it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
 
knarfeng said:
What about it? This thread is about negative reactions to the Covid Vaccine, not all vaccines. The Covid vaccine was based on completely different technology than any other vaccine which has been administered to the public.

The fact that one of the lawyers helping Kennedy was a lawyer for a completely different client who did not want the polio vaccine says nothing about Kennedy. And it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
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I meant it to be more tongue in cheek, so I elaborated while you were responding it looks like 👍.
 
I believe the ‘excess deaths’ were tracked and tabulated by Dr John Cambell Frank.
He has a great You Tube channel.
knarfeng said:
Nobody tracks the vaccination status vs. cause of death. So it's hard to state that there is a correlation.

However, if you go back through my posts in the thread, there's one in which someone was able to correlate death rates to the roll out of the vaccine in Europe. Death rates actually increased after the roll out. And the age of death dropped from being mostly old people before the vaccine, to an increase in death rate among younger folks after the roll out hit that age group.
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