How can I use a blade without a tang?

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I have a khukuri blade without a tang.

Any ideas what to do with it?

The only idea I got was to mount it on a stick and use it as an axe-tool. That is with the blunt side embedded in a quite tough stick. Like in an axe-handle maybe. But I think my idea is pretty lame.

I don't want to throw it away. It is not trash. There must be something to use it for.

Is reforging the only option?

Oh, it is the blade of an 18 inch WW2. I broke the knife into two pieces. Already talked with Uncle Bill about it.
 
you can take the tang out of the wood or horn handle by boiling it, and then you can weld the tang back onto the knife and do whatever you want from there.
 
Uh, excuse me guys, knife buffoon here, but couldn't Eikverang carefully grind the lower edge away, leaving a shorter blade but with a new tang? Or is the material left too soft to tango?

Eikverang- what did you do to this khukuri?


munk
 
I've heard that there are people that can break an Anvil with a turkey feather. The WWII is a pretty tough knife too. Should some folks leave knives alone? :eek: :eek: :confused: :rolleyes:
 
It folllow munks advice and just grind or hacksaw the edge off of the cho area up to the recurve, and throw some handle slabs on it. Now you'll have a CQB Chiruwa WWII!

Keith
 
Weld the old one back or fashion a facsimile out of soft steel and weld it on. Put some kind of handle on it and you've got a workhorse that will last 100 years. A dozen years ago when we were selling hit and miss village knives I personally repaired a dozen broken tangs -- welded them back together, put on a handle, and every one is in the field doing the job. If I can do it anybody can do it.
 
Thanks for your tips folks.

I think I am going to do Munk's advice. It sounds like a simple and good idea. I will put on a nice handle that won't slip my hands in the winter.

I can't weld anyway. And the handle with the embedded tang has been sent to Uncle Bill so he can inspect it for himself.


Originally posted by munk
Eikverang- what did you do to this khukuri?

It was the initial test of a new khukuri that I had recently received. I cut a spruce tree first. But it went so fast that I didn't have time to get the feeling of the new knife so I started cutting it into smaller sections again.

As I continued working I started feeling a warmth spreading from the inside of my arm and I felt so much in harmony with the knife. I increased the schwing, the speed and the force. It started feeling easy insted of a bit unfamiliar like in the beginning. It felt good, my arm was happy. Then suddenly the khukuri just snapped.

I was just hacking away at a timberlog, that's all. And it was standing upright supported against some trees, so I didn't hit the ground.

This could be explained by three reasons:

1) Bura did a bad job for once (not likely).

2) He was provided with some bad materials by unfortune (more
likely).

3) Cosmos (or whatever to call it) wanted it to happen. Cosmos covers
explanations 1) and 2) also I suppose.


You see when I broke the knife, me and my companions started walking back home from the forest a bit earlier than planned. And there on the road we met an old woman who was eating some fresh leaves from a tree. I asked her if those were edible and so she and I started a conversation. She could have been around 80 years old I think, far into the forest all alone.

The conversation lasted at least 45 minutes. So in order to make a long history short, she told me that if I tried I could feel what was edible just by touching the greens. She could do this because she had warm hands she said.

She sure had special eyes though. They were filled with tranquility, strength, understanding, wisdom or in short; very much spirit. I don't know how to describe them. Her face so old, but her eyes so full. I have never seen such eyes before.
My companions stood in awe and looked at her eyes. They didn't understand Norwegian as they were foreign exchange students, but they understood and whispered to eachother that this had to be a "wise woman" / "witch".

I continued asking her a lot of questions.

She told me that I was an open person, and now she understood why she had to be in the forest today. It was to meet me she said. Because all people can learn certain "things" but one must be open, and those who are open might need a guidance in the right direction some times.

Anyway, she told me a lot of stuff. Things like that we are primarily spirit and not matter.
Time does not exist because past, present and future are one.
Don't get caught up in religion, all is Love anyway.
And many things more. I could make a list.

She said we might meet again, but she didn't know for sure if we would.

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Any comments anyone?
 
I don't know what the big deal is. A Blacksmith or welder might charge you 5 to 20 bucks to do this. I had a frame member to my pickup welded for 20 bucks.

edit; you met a schizophrenic in the woods? Or a wise special woman? Or both?

I've met some special eyes too.




munk
 
I don't know what she was. But she only answered my constant questioning. She wasn't preaching.

She told me that 11 years ago she had been cured by an illness by a healer. She had muscle reumatism. Her life was dwindling away in her bed. She could not get out of bed every day and much less get out of the house. A healer made her better. And now the old woman walks for kilomteres alone in the forest.
This was how she discovered these things in life. Before that she didn't know about these things.

She didn't seem looney to me. But loonies can seem pretty sane too.
 
It doesn't make any difference, eik, we're all loony.

Every cracked vessel used to seek me out. I don't know if they do any more. I must be doing something wrong. Or that time is over.




munk
 
Originally posted by munk
It doesn't make any difference, eik, we're all loony.

Yeah we are.


Originally posted by munk

Every cracked vessel used to seek me out. I don't know if they do any more. I must be doing something wrong. Or that time is over.

Sounds like heavy experiences.
 
Eik, that sounds like an interesting experience. I've always felt that there's someone out there like that, waiting to talk to me. Or maybe I'm just one of Munk's cracked vessels, myself. Maybe both.
 
Eik, that sounds like an interesting experience. I've always felt that there's someone out there like that, waiting to talk to me. >>

There is, Aardvark. I think Jerry Brown's still in Oakland.




munk
 
Oh, please, Munk. Eik said the lady was intelligent. And DIDN'T look crazy.
 
Are you 8' tall? I've chopped through fence posts and pretty big branches with mine. I honestly think I could cut my VW in half with it. I can't imagine what it would take to snap a knife that's a hair shy of a half inch thick. Not trying to sound snotty, just curious.

Frank

Oh, and when you meet people guided by voices...listen. In another time and place they would be the Shamans of our tribe. The test of a warriors wisdom may well be riddling out the meaning behind their words.
 
It happens. I snapped a tang on a 20" AK once (skinny ol' me!), and that blade had served me well for months prior to the break.
 
I think I'm ok on tangs, besides I have 2 18" WWII's: one horn handled Bura and one wood handled Sher. Plus a 15" AK wood by Sanu. And there's always the super salyan.
 
It's actually pretty easy to break a defective knife.

Two possible causes:

1) First, some sort of defect in the steel

2) Improper heat treating / tempering / finishing.

When I broke my Chiruwa, it snapped in a nearly vertical line right at the cho. Uncle Bill's theory was that the steel was too cold when the cho was cut, introducing stress into the metal.

Also, the area around the handle/blade junction is under lots of stress from chopping with a long khuk. It would be interesting to calculate/measure the shock force right there. If anyone's really interested, I'll muddle through some physics and see if I can do it.

Regardless, this is one of the reasons Bill says that khuks should be thoroughly tested. Less exact control over the materials - steel that has been under a truck for who knows how long vs. precisely milled billets from the factory, and techniques - kami water pour hardening vs. temp. controlled furnace - introduces random variables that are difficult to detect and control. (It's also part of the magic!)
 
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