How can you determine if your paramilitary is a fake?

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DennisTheMenace0

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Hey guys

So recently I ordered a Spyderco Para 2 with the earth brown g10 and S35VN blade, and I'm just curious on how to determine if the knife is a legit Spyderco. I should also add that I have not received the knife yet, but I just want to know what to look for in the Para 2 to identify if it's a fake or not when I receive it. The reason I am skeptical is I ordered it off of amazon, which has been known in the past to sell fakes of certain knives. Also I know that the Para 2 is definitely a knife that has a lot of clones. So what should I look for when identifying a fake? Or does the S35VN version even have any clones of it in the market?

Thanks guys
 
This is a very common fake, and the popular fakes keep get more refined all the time. So what was an obvious clue 6 months ago might no longer be true. And even if you compared it with a known real Spyderco, there may have been small production changes in the real ones.

Good luck with that.
 
I have studied this topic for a while and come to the conclusion as the above poster. All other cues are less reliable unless the fakes are obvious or poorly done.
 
Someone explain to me what the problem with buying fakes? If the fakes are so good that it is almost impossible to tell the difference from the real thing why not just buy the fakes since they make the same product cheaper? Or why doesn't the original manufacturer lower their prices since the same product is being made with obvious low cost to them?

Doesn't that seem to you like the original product is ripping YOU off if others can duplicate the same exact thing for a fraction of the cost?
 
colubrid said:
I am going to play devils advocate here. And I am speaking in broad terms and not just spyderco. But all manufacturers of various products with USA patents.

Someone explain to me what the problem with buying fakes? If the fakes are so good that it is almost impossible to tell the difference from the real thing why not just buy the fakes since they make the same product cheaper? Or why doesn't the original manufacturer lower their prices since the same product is being made with obvious low cost to them?

Doesn't that seem to you like the original product is ripping YOU off?
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fakes aren't just about looks, it's about the quality of the materials that make the knife. For example, the real version of the knife I ordered has S35VN blade steel but the fake version of that knife is going to have a way cheaper steel that is not as good. When you pay a lot of money for a Spyderco, your getting what you pay for. For example I love my Spyderco sage 2, and my Spyderco domino, and both of those knives were close to 200 dollars and you can tell the difference in level of quality between that and a much cheaper knife. Like I said, you get what you pay for
 
DennisTheMenace0 said:
fakes aren't just about looks, it's about the quality of the materials that make the knife. For example, the real version of the knife I ordered has S35VN blade steel but the fake version of that knife is going to have a way cheaper steel that is not as good. When you pay a lot of money for a Spyderco, your getting what you pay for. For example I love my Spyderco sage 2, and my Spyderco domino, and both of those knives were close to 200 dollars and you can tell the difference in level of quality between that and a much cheaper knife. Like I said, you get what you pay for
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I think you should re-read my post again because you did not address my question. Please take your first hand experience with one knife replica out of the equation.

. If fakes are getting so good at making the same product (which they are) why buy the original for 5 to 20X the cost ...and sometimes even more!!!

I am not targeting Spyderco here but rather a general question regarding replicas are getting so good. Looks at Shirigorov replicas and Sebenza replicas.. the steels they use and things are just getting better. Now design has only small minor differences and at the cost comparisons of $65. to $1100.knives.. It is just crazy. They are continueing as we speak in refining the details that made others pinpoint the differences .

What I am asking is if the product has the same materials, tolerances and ingredients and the original , why not buy them?
 
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colubrid said:
I think you should re-read my post again because you did not address my question. Please take your first hand experience with one knife replica out of the equation.

. If fakes are getting so good at making the same product (which they are) why buy the original for 5 to 20X the cost ...and sometimes even more!!!

I am not targeting Spyderco here but rather a general question regarding replicas are getting so good. Looks at Shirigorov replicas and Sebenza replicas.. the steels they use and things are just getting better. Now design has only small minor differences and at the cost comparisons of $65. to $1100.knives.. It is just crazy. They are continueing as we speak in refining the details that made others pinpoint the differences .

What I am asking is if the product has the same materials, tolerances and ingredients and the original , why not buy them?
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I don't know, you tell us why...

Why are you looking for Sebenzas with specific birthdates when you can just buy a clone "of the same quality"?
 
Some of these fakes are almost as good as originals.Especially considering the price,Most of original knives are overpriced for what they are.
 
It's piracy to steel another's intellectual property .
It's not that the Chinese can't make a clone that is close .

It is that they didn't think it up. Or spend years refining a design to iconic (CRK busses strider ect) status

I see where your coming from as a working person I don't Wana spend my hard earned cash on a huge market up either.

But that's what makes them speacial and not a CHEAP SKATE MOTHER BANGING CLONE !

True if you don't like the mark up. Go buy some top grade materials and make some knives YOUR FICKIN SELF.

Are you going to have a sebenza quality knife when you are done?

Also people Chinese materials for clones in.my mind will never have the quality of material because they don't care lol
 
Blues Bender said:
I don't know, you tell us why...

Why are you looking for Sebenzas with specific birthdates when you can just buy a clone "of the same quality"?
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I should ask myself the sanity of that. I don't knoiw why I do. Peers and investment I guess. Also, you can resell your Striders, Hinderers and mid tech with minimal loss.

Maybe without the internet and especially "Blade forums" I would but the replicas for actual use and enjoyment.
 
When I was young and in to Carrington concealed

I met this kid that said he packed around a glock 18 . Being a gun guy I knew there was no way he had a full auto glock.

I said cool man can i check it out.
Then he showed me it WAS A FICKIN AIRSOFT!!!

I almost beat the crap out of him he said he carried it incase someone tried to mess with him .

I told him it's a good way to end up dead and I called him a bi@#tch
 
colubrid said:
I should ask myself the sanity of that. I don't knoiw why I do. Peers and investment I guess. Also, you can resell your Striders, Hinderers and mid tech with minimal loss.

Maybe without the internet and especially "Blade forums" I would but the replicas for actual use and enjoyment.
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Your question is different from the subject of the OP. Paying Spyderco prices for a non-Spyderco is dumb. Paying $50 for a fake of something that costs $400 might make a little bit more sense in some ways, but a $180 fake of a $200 knife doesn't make any sense.
 
Teppojutsu said:
It's piracy to steel another's intellectual property .
It's not that the Chinese can't make a clone that is close .It is that they didn't think it up. Or spend years refining a design to iconic (CRK busses strider ect) status
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I am a heart patient and nned my medication for my heart to tick. So this winter I had to travel to Brazil for 3 months. I just got back..in March.


Before I left I needed medication for 3 months supply . But insurance would only pay for one month. SO I asked how much the medication for this one bottle of medication that was 30 pill for 1 month supply) . The cost was $700. for 1 month for 30 pills.

So I left to Brazil because I did not have $1400 for my medication (2 months supply). When I was there I walked into a pharmarcy and asked if they had the medication. They did and I was blown away. IT WAS THE SAME EXACT KIND! Guess what it cost me?.. it cost me $22. That is twenty two dollars compared to $700.00

Now please explain to me the whole rights of patents when big pharma is taking advantage and so are other companies all in the name of freedom to keep us from buying from others ...
 
colubrid said:
Someone explain to me what the problem with buying fakes? If the fakes are so good that it is almost impossible to tell the difference from the real thing why not just buy the fakes since they make the same product cheaper? Or why doesn't the original manufacturer lower their prices since the same product is being made with obvious low cost to them?

Doesn't that seem to you like the original product is ripping YOU off if others can duplicate the same exact thing for a fraction of the cost?
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If it has to be explained to you then you likely won't understand anyway.

Did you even read the OP? He bought at the real price. Different all together and we don't even need to get into the counterfeit debate. Done and Done.
 
DennisTheMenace0 said:
Hey guys

So recently I ordered a Spyderco Para 2 with the earth brown g10 and S35VN blade, and I'm just curious on how to determine if the knife is a legit Spyderco. I should also add that I have not received the knife yet, but I just want to know what to look for in the Para 2 to identify if it's a fake or not when I receive it. The reason I am skeptical is I ordered it off of amazon, which has been known in the past to sell fakes of certain knives. Also I know that the Para 2 is definitely a knife that has a lot of clones. So what should I look for when identifying a fake? Or does the S35VN version even have any clones of it in the market?

Thanks guys
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Here is a huge thread on the subject: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/796442-Spyderco-Fakes-amp-Knock-Offs-Info

Best thing you can do now is take a bunch of good pictures of the knife when you get it and ask this question in the Spyderco Subforum. Focus specifically on the jimping on the thumb ramp and the cut out for the lock in the G10. I'm not sure how prevalent the S35vn versions are to be faked. Me thinks not so much. The fakes do change but most of them exhibit tell tail signs. Since you bought from Amazon you can just return it for little to no loss and by from a more reputable dealer. That said, there is no way to guarantee you don't get a fake. The chances become minuscule when you buy from a good dealer like the ones that support this forum. I caught a fake at a cabela's a couple years ago. Nice read:http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1220121-Update-Fake-PM2-at-Cabela-s
 
RX-79G said:
Your question is different from the subject of the OP. Paying Spyderco prices for a non-Spyderco is dumb. Paying $50 for a fake of something that costs $400 might make a little bit more sense in some ways, but a $180 fake of a $200 knife doesn't make any sense.
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I know I got a little off topic on the OP post.. Maybe should have started my own thread since I am referring to other replicas ...and patents in general..I agree with you on the Spyderco thing. It is not worth it.
 
colubrid said:
I know I got a little off topic on the OP post.. Maybe should have started my own thread since I am referring to other replicas ...and patents in general..I agree with you on the Spyderco thing. It is not worth it.
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The topic has been discussed to death. Use the search function. You will save yourself much embarrassment as being further outed as a supporter of counterfeiting.
 
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