How can you determine if your paramilitary is a fake?

[colubrid]

Colubrid,
Let's disregard the intellectual property issue for the time being. If you knowingly choose to buy a fake at a significantly lower price, that's your option. Many of these clones are being sold as the real thing, and for the same prices as the real thing, to unsuspecting buyers. Do you truly not see why this is a problem?

maybe the ususpecting buyer should do some research before spending $450 on a knife from Ebay or a gun show dealer.

 

[colubrid]

As much as I'm tempted to respond to the "why not just buy fakes" question, I'm going to ignore that foolishness and answer the OP.

The best way to tell if it's fake is to use it, particularly if you are somewhat experienced with various steels. If it's fake, the steel likely won't perform anything like real S35VN.

Here is one in D2. The counterfitters are using super steels now.

My whole point was that some replicas are pretty darn good in steel and the way they are made that some of you would not know the difference except for the low price. Even the steels they use now are the new super steels.

This one is $57. delivered (Yes those are titanium handles) What is more amazing it is a copy of a Sebenza 25 which is their newest design.

 

[trevitrace]

D2 isn't new.

 

[ejames13]

Here is one in D2. The counterfitters are using super steels now.

My whole point was that some replicas are pretty darn good in steel and the way they are made that some of you would not know the difference except for the low price. Even the steels they use now are the new super steels.

This one is $57. delivered (Yes those are titanium handles) What is more amazing it is a copy of a Sebenza 25 which is their newest design.

[Counterfeit photos redacted]

Your whole point has nothing to do with the OP. He obviously doesn't share your same sentiment regarding fakes and just wants to be sure the knife he paid full price for is not one.

 

[craytab]

Alrighty well let me start off by saying this thread got way more attention than I thought it would, so thank everyone for your input. I agree that if I had purchased the knife from a website such as BHQ or knifecenter or things of that nature, there would be almost no doubt that the knife is real. When I recieve the knife I'll be sure to post pictures and get everyone's input.

Thanks again guys

Glad this could be of some help. I wouldn't post your pictures in General knife discussion when you get the knife. As you can see there was a fair amount of unknowledgeable and blatantly of topic posts. Better to post them in the Spyderco subforum. You will get more on point advice from people who know more of what they are talking about. That is where I posted my story about catching a fake at cabela's. There is even a thread dedicated to this subject there that gets a lot of attention (I linked it earlier, it is stickied at the top of the subforum page).

Spyderco subforum: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/726-Spyderco

Here is one in D2. The counterfitters are using super steels now.

My whole point was that some replicas are pretty darn good in steel and the way they are made that some of you would not know the difference except for the low price. Even the steels they use now are the new super steels.

This one is $57. delivered (Yes those are titanium handles) What is more amazing it is a copy of a Sebenza 25 which is their newest design.

<<<<<Removed counterfeit promoting pictures>>>>>

Promoting counterfeits is disgusting. If you want to make your own thread about it, see how that goes. Stop crapping up other threads.

 

[Cursum Perficio]

I got to the bit where Big Pharma seemed to be compared to a company like Spyderco. Oh dear.

Shiro or CRK or Spyderco built themselves up with their own hearts and minds and work.
Clones steal that. Don't buy them.

OP, good luck to you, I hope it's a real one. I have one and it's a sweet folder. Always buy from a reliable dealer.

 

[colubrid]

Glad this could be of some help. I wouldn't post your pictures in General knife discussion when you get the knife. As you can see there was a fair amount of unknowledgeable and blatantly of topic posts. Better to post them in the Spyderco subforum. You will get more on point advice from people who know more of what they are talking about. That is where I posted my story about catching a fake at cabela's. There is even a thread dedicated to this subject there that gets a lot of attention (I linked it earlier, it is stickied at the top of the subforum page).

Spyderco subforum: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/726-Spyderco





Promoting counterfeits is disgusting. If you want to make your own thread about it, see how that goes. Stop crapping up other threads.

#1 I never said I was promoting counterfeits (I don't even own one).
#2 this is a thread about counterfeits and if I make comparisons of other counterfeits besides Spyderco , SO WHAT! People learned some new things from my posts. What did they learned from your besides you opinion?
#3 you need to relax dude. This is supposed to be a fun place to discuss knives.. Maybe take a break because you get to worked up.

 

[colubrid]

I got to the bit where Big Pharma seemed to be compared to a company like Spyderco. Oh dear.

I was not comparing the size of the companies. But the thinking behind clones in general.. On one side you have people complaining to buy American product and on the other side you have people complaining about how the foreign products being made the same cost far less. SO really it is a political and moral question I was asking.

Thing with pharmaceuticals you can't even bring them into the USA. as customs will take them away.. they don't do that with other products.

 

[bhyde]

Oh good- Another thread to justify buying a ripoff of intellectual property and then complain that the owner of the intellectual property is ripping people off;

Try buying the machines that make these, tool them up and spend the money for competent people to run them. Don't forget that you have laws regarding proper disposal of many items in the machine shop as well as many other factors that make these products more expensive.
At the end of the day, you are going to charge far more than what you pay for the knockoffs..By a long shot.

 

[craytab]

#1 I never said I was promoting counterfeits (I don't even own one).
#2 this is a thread about counterfeits and if I make comparisons of other counterfeits besides Spyderco , SO WHAT! People learned some new things from my posts. What did they learned from your besides you opinion?
#3 you need to relax dude. This is supposed to be a fun place to discuss knives.. Maybe take a break because you get to worked up.

Well don't you have your blinders on now!

1. You don't have to literally say "I am promoting counterfeits" to promote counterfeits. Common sense really.
2. You clearly still haven't read the OP. This thread is about a specific knife the OP bought. Not counterfeits in general which is what you are promoting. The reason you didn't learn anything from my posts is you don't know what this thread is about.
3. You need to get a grip on reality. You are the one arguing in favor of counterfeits off topic. It is not a fun place when dudes saunter on into a thread having nothing to do with the subject and you walk around Yelling about how great counterfeits are. People like you hurt the knife industry, this hobby, and this forum. Take your counterfeit promotion elsewhere bro.

 

[DennisTheMenace0]

Thank you much, I'll be sure to use the sub forum seeing as it seems like the appropriate place to get some opinions on my blade. I'm just excited for the knife to arrive.I still can't believe I haven't owned a Para 2 yet........lol

 

[colubrid]

Well don't you have your blinders on now!

1. You don't have to literally say "I am promoting counterfeits" to promote counterfeits. Common sense really.
2. You clearly still haven't read the OP. This thread is about a specific knife the OP bought. Not counterfeits in general which is what you are promoting. The reason you didn't learn anything from my posts is you don't know what this thread is about.
3. You need to get a grip on reality. You are the one arguing in favor of counterfeits off topic. It is not a fun place when dudes saunter on into a thread having nothing to do with the subject and you walk around Yelling about how great counterfeits are. People like you hurt the knife industry, this hobby, and this forum. Take your counterfeit promotion elsewhere bro.

For your information. The pictures I posted I took CRK forums where folks discuss and post pictures of counterfeits..

Maybe you should go there and read some..and learn how threads can lean into something productive. All you try to do is control and shut people down with you million posts. So now I am putting you on ignore.. congrats!

 

[bdjansen]

Don't returned items to amazon go to their "warehouse deals"?

 

[craytab]

Thank you much, I'll be sure to use the sub forum seeing as it seems like the appropriate place to get some opinions on my blade. I'm just excited for the knife to arrive.I still can't believe I haven't owned a Para 2 yet........lol

You're welcome. The mods have moved you thread to the spyderco subforum (where we are now). Still, I would start a new thread as this one has been junked up with worthless of topic counterfeit promotion.

 

[craytab]

For your information. The pictures I posted I took CRK forums where folks discuss and post pictures of counterfeits..

Maybe you should go there and read some..and learn how threads can lean into something productive. All you try to do is control and shut people down with you million posts. So now I am putting you on ignore.. congrats!

Putting me on ignore impacts nothing what-so-ever, as you have already completely ignored the point of this thread with your shameful counterfeit promotion. Congratulations!

PS, we are in the spyderco forum now so maybe take your CRK counterfeit promotion to the CRK subforum. See how well that goes!

 

[mael333ca]

The fakes do not have tolerances like the real thing. I bought two fakes a year back out of curiosity and to compare with my digi camo one. it's night and day. The fakes where real crap! I doubt the fakes could be tightened up like the real one and still be openable. I got one fake in CF, hoping I'd have scored cheap after market CF scales for my genuine para2...but nooooooooo, they copied to thing so poorly it would never fit! fakes are mostly good for one thing, the trash can!

 

[bdmicarta]

. If fakes are getting so good at making the same product (which they are) why buy the original for 5 to 20X the cost ...and sometimes even more!!!

What I am asking is if the product has the same materials, tolerances and ingredients and the original , why not buy them?

I'll address your questions in reverse order-

The fakers do NOT use the same materials, tolerances and ingredients. They may use the absolute cheapest steel that they can get, and may not even heat treat it. They don't care about reputation or repeat customers like Spyderco does.

Secondly the people that sell fake PM2s don't sell them for 1/5 the cost of the originals, they try to sell them for the same cost as the originals. So you get an inferior product with no warranty at the same price.

I am a heart patient and nned my medication for my heart to tick...

...asked if they had the medication. They did and I was blown away. IT WAS THE SAME EXACT KIND! Guess what it cost me?.. it cost me $22.

Unless you fed it into a mass spectrometer there would be a real serious question as to whether it was the same medication. You might have bought $22 aspirins. I've had co-workers that were stationed overseas. They said you could buy certain US products in stores, such as cookies, but when you opened them you could tell that they weren't the same product. With a small pill that looks the same how could you tell? And if it was supposed to be the same medication made by another company, how would you really know what was in it, if it worked the same way, or if it had other side effects?

 

[craytab]

I'll address your questions in reverse order-

The fakers do NOT use the same materials, tolerances and ingredients. They may use the absolute cheapest steel that they can get, and may not even heat treat it. They don't care about reputation or repeat customers like Spyderco does.

Secondly the people that sell fake PM2s don't sell them for 1/5 the cost of the originals, they try to sell them for the same cost as the originals. So you get an inferior product with no warranty at the same price.

That has been explain to him over and over again much like all the things wrong with counterfeiting. He chooses to ignore it and continue with his agenda.

 

[bdmicarta]

What I want to know is why someone would buy a knife online and THEN come here to ask if it is counterfeit? If they know there are counterfeits being produced then why not ask about it before ordering?

 

[craytab]

What I want to know is why someone would buy a knife online and THEN come here to ask if it is counterfeit? If they know there are counterfeits being produced then why not ask about it before ordering?

The problem becomes when fakes unknowingly get mixed in with the real ones from seemingly legit dealers. The good thing here is that the OP can inspect the knife, take thorough pictures, and ask questions here. If he is not satisfied he can return it with amazons liberal return policy.

But yes, to avoid all this, buying from a knife dealer would be best, especially the very good ones that support this forum.