How do you test/challenge your work?

I am not denying the usefulness of having two very different knives on hand... but statements like "There are those who play at living in the wilderness and their are those who actually do live in the wilderness. Anyone who lives that life knows you need a big blade and a small blade." are painting with too wide a brush for my taste. You are stating your opinion based on your experiences and observations and asserting that anyone that doesn't agree is "playing". That is rather blinkered, don't you think?
 
asserting that anyone that doesn't agree is "playing". That is rather blinkered, don't you think?

Huh?....

People actually live in the wilderness and it is not a vacation or holiday and it is not because it is fun. Theses day I play at it as well but I get to go home to a real bathroom, shower and heat and air conditioning. When you live, eat, hunt and sleep with people who actually live that life because that is their life...you learn the difference between playing at it and living it.

If it is something you choose to do because you enjoy it ...then yes it is playing.
 
There are those who play at living in the wilderness and their are those who actually do live in the wilderness.
I agree, there are both.
Anyone who lives that life knows you need a big blade and a small blade.
This is a rather broad assertion, IMO. You only have your personal experience and observations. It would be like saying "anyone who makes damascus uses a power hammer and a press". Yes, a large group probably do... but I know of some that get along just fine swinging a hammer.(I don't know.. maybe that's a bad analogy:confused:) I don't think this is something to get worked up over. We all know that folks just need more knives, period.:thumbup:
 
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No Strawmen :) or True Scotsman...lol
 
Getting a knife to cut well isn't rocket surgery.

Truth. Thin is in, and light is right. WAY too many makers forget or ignore that. Geometry cuts... no amount of BS can make up for that. The easiest thing in this business is to make a strong knife. I for one am not at all impressed by tremendously strong blades that don't cut/slice worth a hoot...

It is not good enough just to know what your knives can do ... You need to know what they can't do.

Also true! Once you get the geometry down, it's time to get serious about alloy selection and HT, to make certain your knives will perform beyond their designed purpose, even in the hands of ham-fisted morons (who may or may not use your knife as you intended).

That's what helps a maker sleep well at night, and causes beautiful young women to throw themselves at his feet.

OK... the young women thing... probably not. :( But the sleeping well at night... yeah, that's for real.
 
Knifemakers and buyers like to fantasize somewhat...They like to fantisize about loosing all of their tools...except their knife and therefore this lone tool that avoided being lost must serve as a crow bar, hammer, hatchet a number of things a knife was never meant to be.

It is a good policy to not lose all your tools except your knife.

I test my blades for the task they were designed for....Cutting, Chopping, piercing etc.

I am sure someone will design a knife like a rock in case they have to throw it to knock something out of a tree...lo....Because of course they lost all the rocks. If I test a tool for prying it is because it is meant for prying.

The Japanese have it right...many knives design for many purposes.

I think Rick's response is dead on:

It's only fantasy if you don't actually follow it up with your actions, Adam. I only take one(maybe two) tools into the woods. Like you said... the tool should suit the intended purpose. I have knives that can out-perform a hatchet at fire prep under some circumstances. My wilderness skills mentor is a 60year old half-blood First Nations who lived a bush life. He poked fun at me and my "big knife" for the first few seasons. Then he started borrowing it around camp. next thing you knew he was asking me to make one for him... and soon after, he stopped bringing out his hawk/hatchet.

I've come to learn that there are many ways to accomplish a given task and what makes sense to one, might not sit well with another. If a tool can perform to it's user's expectations, it's the right tool for the job.

People that limit a tool's potential just to remain true to its conventional label are.... well, limiting, IMO. lol.

As for me, I hear this stuff all the time from detractors of hollow handle and "survival" type knives, whether they're makers or users. Ultimately, people can say whatever they want, think whatever they want, and buy whatever they want. I don't have a problem with that at all. But here is how I approach it: Some people obviously want tools/knives that can do a lot of different things. For whatever reasons. I don't know if they all take them into the wilderness and live with them or use them hard, keep them in a safe, sit there and fondle them while they watch Rambo in their underwear, etc. It's not my job to know all that. But it is my job to make them a knife that will hold up to reasonable demands in the wilderness/emergency/survival scenarios.

That's why they're buying that type of knife. Maybe some do just fantasize about it. But some no doubt actually plan on and do use them. I know, because they've told me how they work. So my approach is two-fold: Number One: Educate the customer/new friend (which many of them become) about what my knives will do/won't do, what constitutes use and what is abuse. And Number Two: Make a knife/tool that will handle whatever is reasonably thrown at it in the real world.

I also agree about using the proper tool for the job, but sometimes if the tool isn't there, it's just human nature to improvise. I tell people that prying with my knives will void the warranty, but do I really have a problem with using the knife to lightly pry apart some wood or move a log off something in the woods? I do that stuff myself. That's the nature of wilderness knives/tools. You use them for a wide variety of purposes. As long as it doesn't get abusive, that's really no big deal.

But you can make a knife that does all of those things, and still cuts very, very well. I've got videos and pictures of using my big, hollow handle fixed blades making feather sticks as good as any 4" scandi bushcrafter, and slicing vegetables in the kitchen just fine. So again, that is my approach. While it may be fantasy to some, to others it is a very real knife/tool that does what they want/need it to do. That's part of the beauty of having so many custom makers and choices. Something for everyone, whatever their philosophy on knives.

Sam :thumbup:
 
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