How I ended up with a safe queen

cncpro11 said:
So it's wrong to assume KJ and his knives are garbage?
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Those are two different questions. The fact that KJ is garbage is pretty well established. Whether his/her/their knives are garbage is mostly conjecture as few have actually handled one. And those that have understandably tend to keep their opinions to themselves.
 
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Another thread showing love for clones/counterfeits?

Not good. :eek:


jimmyd1982 said:
Nah, sell the strider and keep the clone. They are both made by scam artists, you might as well keep the one that isn't absurdly overpriced.
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The haters always seem to crawl out from under their bridge,

...that's where trolls live, right?





Big Mike
 
Big Mike said:
Another thread showing love for clones/counterfeits?

Not good. :eek:





The haters always seem to crawl out from under their bridge,

...that's where trolls live, right?





Big Mike
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Lol so I'm a troll? I guess that's better than being a hypocrite. How is one fake better than the other?
 
jimmyd1982 said:
So you're saying I should have bought a way overpriced knife, that I found several problems with while handling, and through my purchase give money to a lying scumbag that I have an ethical problem supporting, just so I can comment on a knife?

If you picked up some cheap gas station knife and found you could push on the blade to disengage the liner lock would you need to buy it first in order to tell it was a bad knife?
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Nah, no one is telling you what to do with your money. Common sense should tell you not to make a matter of fact comment on something you haven't owned or have experience with. I don't own and have never owned a Buck 110. I've handled a few. Does that mean I have a meaningful opinion of one? Nope
 
Perhaps not. But it does mean that you've had first-hand experience. And while you cannot speak for the long-term performance of the Buck 110, you should certainly have been able to have formed an opinion of their fit, finish and suitability to your needs as a result of your encounters with them. If that makes you feel your impression of them is meaningless, well . . . who am I to argue with you? ;)
 
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bld522 said:
Perhaps not. But it does mean that you've had first-hand experience. And while you cannot speak for the long-term performance of the Buck 110, you should certainly have been able to have formed an opinion of their fit and finish as a result of your encounters with them. If that makes you feel as if your opinion of them is meaningless, well . . . who am I to argue with you? ;)
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I've owned 7 Strider's and 5 CRK's. I know you like WH knives. I've never owned one, just looked at some. How much is my opinion worth as for their durability, cutting ability, edge holding? If I told you they were overpriced, how would I know? And I'm not saying they are overpriced by the way.
 
mjolnir74 said:
I've owned 7 Strider's and 5 CRK's. I know you like WH knives. I've never owned one, just looked at some. How much is my opinion worth as for their durability, cutting ability, edge holding? If I told you they were overpriced, how would I know? And I'm not saying they are overpriced by the way.
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I made no comments on durability, cutting ability, edge holding. I made comments about the poor fit and finish, which is something I was able to see without buying a knife.
 
mjolnir74 said:
I've owned 7 Strider's and 5 CRK's. I know you like WH knives. I've never owned one, just looked at some. How much is my opinion worth as for their durability, cutting ability, edge holding? If I told you they were overpriced, how would I know? And I'm not saying they are overpriced by the way.
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You made my point for me. Your opinion of WH knives' durability, cutting ability and edge holding would, in fact, be meaningless. But the fact that you own 7 Striders and 5 CRKs means that you know something about high-end knives. So having looked at some WHs, I'd love to hear your impression of their fit, finish, and suitability to your needs. Capiche?

The only objection I have is when people come on here and call a knife "garbage" without ever having seen or handled one themselves. To me, anyone who does that meets the definition of a troll.
 
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bld522 said:
The only objection I have is when people come on here and call a knife "garbage" without ever having seen or handled one themselves. To me, anyone who does that meets the definition of a troll.
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Reguardless of the fakes "quality", as far as Im concerned counterfeit knives belong in the garbage. That doesnt mean I'm a troll because I feel that way about them. I don't need to buy or handle one to form a solid opinion of them thanks.
 
frontline29 said:
Reguardless of the fakes "quality", as far as Im concerned counterfeit knives belong in the garbage. That doesnt mean I'm a troll because I feel that way about them. I don't need to buy or handle one to form a solid opinion of them thanks.
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Obviously we have a difference of opinion. Based on my EXPERIENCE, I can say that just because a knife is made by a disreputable maker doesn't mean that the product itself is poorly manufactured or defective in some way. If you expect me to accept your SOLID OPINION over my EMPIRICAL RESEARCH, you're sadly mistaken. And I still maintain that anyone who issues derogatory comments about a product they've never personally seen or handled is a troll. :thumbdn:

Here's something to think about. Wagner is widely regarded as one of the great composers of all time. Yet Hitler called Wagner his "God", not based on what Wagner composed but based on what Wagner said. Just because someone is the scum of the Earth doesn't mean they're incapable of producing something of value.
 
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I would guess once they get around to making exact copies of William Henry knives you'll be singing a different tune.

Put it this way, if I'm scrutinizing every single tiny aspect of the real Sebenzas, the real Striders, the real Hinderers then I know that there is absolutely nothing a fake knife is gonna do to turn me on.

If your a fisherman then you'll know what I mean. I guess I see fakes the same as those nasty invasive fish species that do nothing but destroy the native population.

Anyhow I'm not looking for an argument here. I haven't had a coffee yet and Im feeling rather prickish this morning. ;)
 
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frontline29 said:
I would guess once they get around to making exact copies of William Henry knives you'll be singing a different tune.
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I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. In the meantime, they already make exact copies of Sebenzas and I've managed to avoid those so far. Heaven only knows how! ;)
 
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bld522 said:
Mick Strider :thumbdn:

PS: This is fun. Who's next? :)
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Speaking of trolls, how about you start another poll.
A real simple yes / no poll.
Are KJ and his knifes garbage.

Maybe this one wont get locked after 2 pages.
 
Well . . . err . . . umm. Oh dear, I totally forget what you were going to say, too. ;)

So what are the takeaways from this thread so far? For me, they're as follows:

1. A maker and his products are not one and the same. They need to be judged separately.

2. If you want to avoid fakes, you need to know what to look for and, perhaps more importantly, who to buy from.
 
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