How long do you have to wait for a custom blade before you qualify as an idiot?

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Just wondering. I've had a set of blades on order, PAID for in cash and trade, for going on * years now. Where * is equal to a value of almost double the years of my MARRIAGE. What do you nice people think? Am I being patient, or am I being stupid? Ideas on how to deal with this would be nice.

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Oz

"Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken!"
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[This message has been edited by Osbourn (edited 08-04-2000).]
 
I'm pretty sure that being an idiot has almost nothing to do with buying knives. And being treated poorly by a custom maker who took your payment up front is bad business, not idiocy.

This really sucks. I would write the maker and ask what the **** is going on. Were you told it would be years? If not, and you will not recieve your knife soon (you decide what that means), I think you should be able to ask for your money back.

Paracelsus
 
The payment was more than just money. I paid cash and trade. The trade was four eight foot long planks of 60 year old rough cut mahogany that was inherited from my great-grandfather. I'm sure some of it has been used at this point, it was excellent wood. I have a few scraps of it left for blades for his grandsons, my father and uncle. We have actually been in contact several times over the years, each time I hear a new reason why my blades haven't been delivered. I don't want to be an a$$hole here, but I don't have a lot of options.

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Oz

"Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken!"
http://www.freespeech.org/oz/
 
At this point your patience has probably been exhausted.What I would do is call him and say that you will need to committ with a reasonable time period. Both parties agree that the knives will be completed by such a date/no excuses.I would pic a date and make him agree to it.
 
IMHO, YMMV, etc,
If I were in your situation, by now I'd probably be so angry about it that even receiving the knife would leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Tell the guy you want ALL the money back, and as much of the mahogany as still exists, with compensation equal to current market value for the missing portion, then NEVER do business with this Jerk again.
IOW
BE the ***hole. REVEL in it! Just get your bucks and boards back!


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[This message has been edited by Ken Cook (edited 08-05-2000).]
 
i'm with ken at this one, i would say he is the *******, not you.

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Ray
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Osbourn
Your not an idiot. Your a good and trusting individual who DEALT with an idiot. I agree with Ken. Forget the knives. You will never like them now anyway. They will just remind you of the bulls.h.i.t you had to go through to get them. Get as much money and material back as you can. I know a public execution is ugly so if this person is someone I might deal with Email me so I know not to.

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ALex

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Boriqua, I disagree, this knifemaker should have his name posted on the net. Everyone should know what happened to Osbourn. That is what the "Good, Bad and Ugly" forum is for. That will give the knifemaker the opportunity to explain his actions. You're right, public executions can be ugly, but they can be very useful also. Osbourn, you dealt with an idiot, go get this guy and make him sorry for HIS actions.

[This message has been edited by Easyrider (edited 07-30-2000).]
 
I agree with Easyrider and the others.

Ask for your money and materials back and post the details in the Good, bad and ugly forum.

Then order a new set of knives from a reputable knifemaker. BTW does hanging around in W&C disqualify you from being reputable?
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Regards,

Ed
 
No Ed, you will be quite reputable after hanging around WC.

After all, Both of our illustrious moderators, Tim and Tom, have probably the biggest reputations of all.
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Paracelsus
 
Paracelsus, aren't I a most reputable maker?
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Southern Taiwan Will Rise Again!
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Comrade Chang,

You reputation is based on the work that you choose to exhibit on this forum.
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Hopefully the sleeze ball that is has not delivered his knives is not a member.

Regards,

Ed
 
Oz-

Bitch betta have yo money
Through rain or sleet or snow
Bitch betta have yo money
Not some, not half, but all yo cash
And if bitch don't have yo money
You's betta stick yo foot
Dead in his ass.

(Hey, anyone remember that movie?)

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Thanks for the support, guys. One of the problems that I have in getting these blades, is the maker in question never answers his SMEGGING PHONE!!! He also doesn't have a machine, and has an autoresponder on his email. I find all of this rather alien, since I'm from generation X, and we're all wired. I am almost never out of easy communication, and feel naked when I am. How do you geezers do it?
I don't think getting my wood back is an option, he's around 2500 miles off, and I do still want the blades. I've waited this long, I want something to show for it. I also want to compare them to the ones I make these days. Waiting for these blades is one of the things that inspired me to start making them.
Wulf, Pimps Up, Hoes Down. :>
I don't think the maker in question is on the forums, but everyone here knows him. If I was going to smear his name, I'd have done it already. I'm not above that, mind you, I'm just not that pissed off yet. Give me an hour.

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Oz

"Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken!"
http://www.freespeech.org/oz/

[This message has been edited by Osbourn (edited 08-04-2000).]
 
Ozzy,

Let's see...........Hmmmmmmm.........

"X years X $$ X boardage = "a$$hole"

NO

"X years X $$ X boardage = "F.UCKED"

Just my opinion.......but feelin' your pain! !

Ya need to expose! ! So that other don't take the same path that the maker has etched in quick sand!



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GigOne
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Oz, don't take any crap from this dork. Go get a consult from a lawyer, shouldn't cost more than $25, and see what your chances are of sueing the jerk. If by this time he's become a named maker, the knives you ordered are probably worth alot more than when you ordered them. Raise hell and let him know you're gonna make lots of folks aware of this, including his name. If he doesn't care about his integrity, he isn't worth wasting the time on. Sue his butt!

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Osbourn
Being an geezer I would get a lawyer friend to write a letter then send it certified so that he has to sign for it, that way you know he got it, and if you go to court one day over it you need to prove you contacted him etc. Give him x amount of days to respond. Then proceed with as much legal spook as you can. You could even take it to small claims court.
However I do agree that it should be posted on the internet. That much time is not acceptable. If he got to you he will get to others.
jf
 
Don't resort to a lawyer first. The vast majority of them are nasty bits of work that are best avoided until necessary. Unless you know a good one or have a lawyer friend.
By all means write him yourself first and if that doesn't work, he desrves what he gets. Whether you want your money and the value of the goods you traded, with interest, or the knives, there really is one best way to proceed. Give him a deadline to produce and deliver the knives, failing which you are to be fully reimbursed. This indefinite waiting bullsh!t has to end. Pick a reasonable deadline:if you don't get the knives by then, you ain't never gonna get them anyway.
I should think that you should write him demanding that he provide you with a reasonable but definite delivery date, which should be no later than a date you specify in your letter, and that if he doesn't meet the date, then you'll expect all your consideration back with interest. The demand may light a fire under his tardy @ss. But at least it will bring the uncertainty to an end.
As a matter of business practice, taking full payment up front without providing anything in return is rather unusual, and pretty lousy. He's taking the benefit of your money with no motive to perform his side of the bargain. It doesn't smell very good to me, but it is possible that there are extenuating circumstances. If he isn't answering the phone and ignores your letter, he better have a real good excuse, to satisfy a judge. You could probably could get your money back etc. now on the basis of a total failure of consideration or fundamental breach, but your problem is that it isn't clear, at least to me, what was agreed to in terms of a delivery date: so you may have to fix a reasonable date by reasonable notice, evidenced by a writing and proof of delivery you could show a court, if you have the patience for that sort of thing.
Or you could let us know who it is and we could get on his case.

[This message has been edited by HJK (edited 08-04-2000).]
 
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