how much do you think it would cost for spyderco to make this knife

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full flat ground endura wave blade
with dlc coating.
s30v or m4 steel
the bi direction textured frn handles like on an endura
milled out stainless steel liners.
compression lock from a para2
polished bronze phosphate washers. with some holes drilled like the sebenzas to hold extra grease longer.
big lanyard holes with a stainless steel tube
really nice screws that wont strip out.
a deep carry dlc coated pocket clip
 
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Rawrzors said:
full flat ground endura wave blade
with dlc coating.
s30v or m4 steel
the bi direction textured frn handles like on an endura
milled out stainless steel liners.
compression lock from a para2
polished bronze phosphate washers. with some holes drilled like the sebenzas to hold extra grease longer.
big lanyard holes with a stainless steel tube
really nice screws that wont strip out.
a deep carry dlc coated pocket clip
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I'm gonna hold this post up as example one of why "entitlement" and "internet" go hand in hand....along with ignorance of production requirements.

Let me ask you a question "Rawzors". Regardless of what it would cost, generally speaking, a specialized order like this would require 1,000 pieces in order to be profitable for the manufacturer. Are you prepared to support this project with a 50% deposit? If so, I can help you realize this dream....I'm thinking tooling, production and marketing will start around $20,000.00

If not......keep dreaming. Money talks and BS walks.,,,,this is fanboy public masturbation at the very worst.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
"Fanboy public masturbation"

More than a bit harsh and crude, kohai. Maybe the poster is a bit young, he's already admitted to his lack of knowledge in other posts.

I think the best examples of "public masturbation" are to be found coming from the experts who self pronounce their knowledge and expertice.

This borders on a personal insult...that is an infraction. Possibly you should man up and apologize.
 
Kohai999 said:
Regardless of what it would cost, generally speaking, a specialized order like this would require 1,000 pieces in order to be profitable for the manufacturer. Are you prepared to support this project with a 50% deposit? If so, I can help you realize this dream....I'm thinking tooling, production and marketing will start around $20,000.00
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One of our members, STR, designed a modernized slipjoint electricians knife. He took the concept to GEC and they made it happen. As STeven said, he had to put his own money into it for the manufacturer to take a chance.

I moved this to the Spyderco forum so they might jump in also. It would not be a custom or handmade knife. Spyderco is really intense about the development process for a new design, though.
 
Kohai did Rawrzors step on your nuts or something?

edit: OP is clearly off base but really...
 
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Why is this phrased from the point of how much it would cost Spyderco to produce?

That's a weird title for your "fantasy knife" topic. Are you trying to ask what such a knife would likely retail for...?
 
I'm not sure why you're asking, but Spyderco doesn't do custom orders if thats what you were thinking about.

If you're just wondering what it would cost to make a knife like that we have no idea. We don't know what it cost to make any model they make, and that goes for any other company as well.


buendia518 said:
Kohai did Rawrzors step on your nuts or something?
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Thats just Steven being Steven. Always been that way.
 
Ken44 said:
Thats just Steven being Steven. Always been that way.
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One of the reasons I don't spend much time here anymore.

To the O.P.

1) There isn't room in the Endura handle to fit a compression lock.

2) While FRN scales are inexpensive to manufacture, the molds used to make them are not. It requires a high volume seller to make the $30,000 to $50,000 for the molds economically feasible.

3) There are no screws that won't strip out. Except perhaps the ones that will snap off instead.

4) The Endura is currently made in Japan, and those makers are very reluctant to use American steels. Even if they agreed, there would be the added expense of shipping the steel to them. More likely, it would mean making the knife somewhere else, which would risk losing production of the Endura altogether.

5) The average cost to the company of bringing a new model to market is around $250,000. There is a lot of effort involved.
 
yablanowitz said:
One of the reasons I don't spend much time here anymore.
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But you have to admit that crap is not often present on our sub forum, and this was not originally posted here, but moved post stupid comment. Such is BF, consistent rules do not apply to all members. Normally the mod that moved it would chime in with infractions and a closure, but "Pirates" get a pass I guess:rolleyes:

Otherwise good analysis, and I think the main hurdle to jump is the steel choice on a Japanese knife. I do recall recently that there is a very close Japanese equivalent to M4. I would love to see that come to fruition on some Japanese blades.
 
brownshoe said:
"Fanboy public masturbation"

More than a bit harsh and crude, kohai. Maybe the poster is a bit young, he's already admitted to his lack of knowledge in other posts.

I think the best examples of "public masturbation" are to be found coming from the experts who self pronounce their knowledge and expertice.

This borders on a personal insult...that is an infraction. Possibly you should man up and apologize.
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thanks man. i appreciate that.
I'm not new to internet forums. I know that some people go on the internet and vent their frustrations on random new guys, and im used to that. not a big deal to me, just kept scrolling. lol
 
yablanowitz said:
One of the reasons I don't spend much time here anymore.

To the O.P.

1) There isn't room in the Endura handle to fit a compression lock.

2) While FRN scales are inexpensive to manufacture, the molds used to make them are not. It requires a high volume seller to make the $30,000 to $50,000 for the molds economically feasible.

3) There are no screws that won't strip out. Except perhaps the ones that will snap off instead.

4) The Endura is currently made in Japan, and those makers are very reluctant to use American steels. Even if they agreed, there would be the added expense of shipping the steel to them. More likely, it would mean making the knife somewhere else, which would risk losing production of the Endura altogether.

5) The average cost to the company of bringing a new model to market is around $250,000. There is a lot of effort involved.
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good stuff, brings up new questions. I didnt know frn was so expensive to produce. I'm not a knife manufacturer.

these are going to begin to be hypotheticals here

Once they had the mold ofc, could they not produce the handles in japan, and then ship them to a USA operation, put the blade and the rest of the parts together here in the states? i know this would increase the price, but i didn't ask if they could for it for 50$, i asked how much it would cost. thanks to this post and assorted trolls, i get that the beginning of production would be expensive.

and last, if they did do it and brought a model similar to market, considering that they have SO MANY DIFFERENT knives already in their production, would you consider buying it?
 
yablanowitz said:
One of the reasons I don't spend much time here anymore.

To the O.P.

1) There isn't room in the Endura handle to fit a compression lock.
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Why is this? I love this lock and would have liked to see it on a smaller, Delica sized, knife in the future. I would have liked to have seen it put into an FRN knife. Oh well.
 
rushane said:
Why is this? I love this lock and would have liked to see it on a smaller, Delica sized, knife in the future. I would have liked to have seen it put into an FRN knife. Oh well.
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It may be able to be done. They stuffed it into the Centofante 3/4 handle and it was called the Vesuvius. That is also FRN. Also, it is in the Junior which is crazy thin where the actual lock is. Cool knife btw.
 
I think you would be better off going to the Spyderco Forum and asking Sal himself if you want to know how much it would cost. Nobody here will be able to give you an accurate estimate of what Spyderco would charge to produce something.
 
From the description , sounds basically like a waved Para2 with FRN scales. Don't think I would personally be interested in something like that.
 
Hey Rawzors,
Like anything in life, if you want respect you need to come prepared. You obviously haven't done ANY research on the topic and are basically asking others to do all of the work to put together the things you like. That never helps people get what they want once they are an adult.
If you really want the knife, do the R&D for Spyderco and send them the completed design. That way, they don't have to pay their head engineer to do all of the development and design (which takes a long time, especially with what you're asking for). Not only will this keep cost down for them, but if they don't make it you will have the design or the knife anyway.

I'm not just saying this as a forumite. I wanted to see a specific, hard-to-engineer knife from Spyderco, and so I did the work, and it's in their prototyping phase right now. It can be done, but not the way you're doing it. The way you're doing it is kind of condescending and demanding at the same time, even if you don't understand that you're being that way. Not only that, but it's nowhere near as productive as getting into the shop, or a CAD program and designing the knife. Spyderco takes submissions for new knives regularly, but ignores ill-researched demands just as regularly if not more regularly. When I was talking with Sal, he was expressing that the level of work a designer puts in is often equivalent to the level of respect the design gets. They can tell if you took the time to do the art, or if you just slopped crap together. They can also tell if you just made word soup without doing any real thinking or research on the matter.
 
SolidState said:
Hey Rawzors,
Like anything in life, if you want respect you need to come prepared. You obviously haven't done ANY research on the topic and are basically asking others to do all of the work to put together the things you like. That never helps people get what they want once they are an adult.
If you really want the knife, do the R&D for Spyderco and send them the completed design. That way, they don't have to pay their head engineer to do all of the development and design (which takes a long time, especially with what you're asking for). Not only will this keep cost down for them, but if they don't make it you will have the design or the knife anyway.

I'm not just saying this as a forumite. I wanted to see a specific, hard-to-engineer knife from Spyderco, and so I did the work, and it's in their prototyping phase right now. It can be done, but not the way you're doing it. The way you're doing it is kind of condescending and demanding at the same time, even if you don't understand that you're being that way. Not only that, but it's nowhere near as productive as getting into the shop, or a CAD program and designing the knife. Spyderco takes submissions for new knives regularly, but ignores ill-researched demands just as regularly if not more regularly. When I was talking with Sal, he was expressing that the level of work a designer puts in is often equivalent to the level of respect the design gets. They can tell if you took the time to do the art, or if you just slopped crap together. They can also tell if you just made word soup without doing any real thinking or research on the matter.
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You are blowing this way out of proportion. He is just asking some questions. That is how you learn. This R&D you speak of, could be happening right now. This could be the very beginning for him. It does not sound like he is trying to get a knife design submitted to Spyderco, just a little curious as to what it takes to get a knife design going. A few knowledgeable people have chimed in and explained why some things likely won't happen, and he now knows more because he posed a question. Sure he could have just searched, but in the Spyderco sub-forum we treat each other with respect and answer questions instead of piling on the new guy. Great for you doing what you did, but just because someone asks a question doesn't mean they want to do what you did. I would say 100% that Sal would not treat this guy this hostile. I would be a bit embarrassed to say I was working with you actually.
 
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