how much do you think it would cost for spyderco to make this knife

I agree with nccole whole heartedly. People need to stop attacking this guy. Shiny footprints, right?
 
Hi Rawrzors,

Welcme to our forum.

Our forum is usually very civil. Must be Friday :rolleyes:y

Your question is far more complicated than it might appear. We would probably not make a full flat Endura blade with an Emerson opener as I question the strength of the blade. Without the spine to support the blade, the blade cross section would be very thin with an EO.

Much or our production is "country specific". S30V and M4 are USA steels, the Endura is made in Japan. These "country specific" issues become more complicated when shipping steels to different areas. DLC is only done in the USA. As mentioned, FRN molds can be very costly, especially when made in Japan. We would have to have the assurance of high volume to invest in the mold costs. We usually make a new design with slab components to test a design before beginning a mold.

Models with Compression locks have to be engineered around the lock from the beginning, which means it's an entirely new engineering project (read costly). Screws don't "strip out". Inexperienced owners usually don't do it right, applying too much force. Big lanyard holes with tubes require more space in the design. Clips are often dedicated to a particular design. I'd have to do some testing on the drilled washers to determine their effectiveness.

Hope that helps.

sal
 
Mr. Glesser, you are without question a treasure of the knifemaking world, and a consummate gentleman. Your participation on web forums makes you TRULY a gem.
 
Matthew Gregory said:
Mr. Glesser, you are without question a treasure of the knifemaking world, and a consummate gentleman. Your participation on web forums makes you TRULY a gem.
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Agreed. Makes me want to buy my first Spyderco. I think I'll start with the Southard.
 
Sal and nccole,

I almost closed this window with a vow to stay away from BF again for awhile. Thanks for stopping me.
 
nccole said:
You are blowing this way out of proportion. He is just asking some questions. That is how you learn. This R&D you speak of, could be happening right now. This could be the very beginning for him. It does not sound like he is trying to get a knife design submitted to Spyderco, just a little curious as to what it takes to get a knife design going. A few knowledgeable people have chimed in and explained why some things likely won't happen, and he now knows more because he posed a question. Sure he could have just searched, but in the Spyderco sub-forum we treat each other with respect and answer questions instead of piling on the new guy. Great for you doing what you did, but just because someone asks a question doesn't mean they want to do what you did. I would say 100% that Sal would not treat this guy this hostile. I would be a bit embarrassed to say I was working with you actually.
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Apparently informing the OP that taking agency is a far better way to go about getting what he wants than the method he used is hostile. I apologize if I communicated hostility. My intention was to let him know that if he puts the work into figuring it out (takes agency), he has a far better chance of getting what he wants than writing a list of things that are very difficult to engineer together and asking for a cost. If that makes me a jerk who is embarrassing to work with, so be it. I'm an embarrassing jerk who solves problems by taking active agency in the matter in time-tested and proven ways.

If I were the OP, I'd be embarrassed to ask questions without having done any research, and if I were you, I'd be embarrassed to stand up for that as a viable path forward. I guess our opinions are substantially different, and I'd assume our portfolios reflect that fact. The OP has agency, and if he takes agency over his desires, the world is his. Taking that agency will mean doing actual research, actual development, and actually figuring it out. Every human has that power, few exert it. Most simply beg or demand those who express that agency to do their bidding. Coddling that behavior is what keeps our species in the proverbial ditch. Give a man a fish...

Also, Sal goes out of his way to provide all of the necessary information for people to take agency. He pays from his company's profits to add educational pages to his catalogs so that customers can be informed. How many other companies tack a bunch of cost onto their marketing simply to share the material sourcing, science, and engineering backbones of making their product with the masses? Few production companies are as transparent as Spyderco when it comes to international sourcing and production, and I can't think of one who spends money on marketing that provides others the ability to make what they make. Most would call the things he openly shares "trade secrets," and guard them viciously. I can only imagine he shares those things openly so that people can take agency and actively innovate with his company, or even for the industry as a whole. Even the forum is time and money he puts into educating people about how to take agency and move the community forward as a whole. People who actually care, hoard that information and ruminate on it like Gollum with his ring.

It seems like Sal is saying that the costs are unknown in the nicest way possible, because he's the nicest guy possible in all of these circumstances. Honestly I don't see anyone here actually looking at how many hours it takes to get a bunch of features onto something as small as a pocket knife. People are concentrated on materials and material costs, but ignoring that he actually has to pay people to engineer this stuff. If you're holding it, someone tinkered with it for many hours to get it to work with "reliable, high-performance." You may not appreciate this, because Spyderco puts out so many good designs in such quick succession that it seems to just spill forth naturally from their company like a fountain, but Sal is paying a lot of money in the form of man hours just to get these things to work and also handle abuse. Take apart some of his knives, and you will find machinery similar to a swiss watch - the Szabo for example hides 90% of what makes it awesome from the user. That hidden material didn't engineer itself, and Sal payed someone for every minute it took to perfect the spring tensions, locking mechanism, torque, etc. Many of the designs take years of tweaking before they hit the market.

Sal has to pay his engineers for that time, and it functionally factors into cost for him. It also directly influences the viability of making it happen. What the op is talking about is probably will cost at least 100 hours of design time, and at $25 an hour (low for an engineer) you're looking at minimally $2500 in just design costs, not to mention machining for each prototype. As a business man, would you throw 2.5k at what may be a boondoggle, and if so, how many times would you do that before you wised up? Smart money is running with things that have shown proof of concept and depth of thought in problem solving (paying the designer once a tangible proof of concept has been displayed).

Also, would you quote a production cost on an online forum without having any of that information? The first thing the internet would do is to take the quote, divide it by 1200 and complain about the final product costing one cent more than that. We've all seen it at least twice a week for as long as we've been on the forum.

The OP can probably make the model (maybe in G-10 first) if he takes agency over it. If restating that makes me embarrassing, so be it. It will take him a long time, and it looks hard as hell to put together, but he can probably do it. If he does it, and shows it works, he may well be able to get them to make it. With that method, in the end he may get the knife he wants, make some money as well, and gain some interesting connections in the knife world. That's not going to happen if he starts by asking for the cost of a list of demands. He's effectively walking the wrong way down this road, and if he just turns around, he can probably get where he wants to go (with some compromise). Apparently telling him that makes me a jerk, instead of helpful. Apparently nccole, you're a nice guy for patting the op on the head and providing no actual assistance in terms of getting what he wants or moving the community forward with what would be a pretty interesting frankenspyder collaboration.
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Rawrzors,

Welcme to our forum.

Our forum is usually very civil. Must be Friday :rolleyes:y

Your question is far more complicated than it might appear. We would probably not make a full flat Endura blade with an Emerson opener as I question the strength of the blade. Without the spine to support the blade, the blade cross section would be very thin with an EO.

Much or our production is "country specific". S30V and M4 are USA steels, the Endura is made in Japan. These "country specific" issues become more complicated when shipping steels to different areas. DLC is only done in the USA. As mentioned, FRN molds can be very costly, especially when made in Japan. We would have to have the assurance of high volume to invest in the mold costs. We usually make a new design with slab components to test a design before beginning a mold.

Models with Compression locks have to be engineered around the lock from the beginning, which means it's an entirely new engineering project (read costly). Screws don't "strip out". Inexperienced owners usually don't do it right, applying too much force. Big lanyard holes with tubes require more space in the design. Clips are often dedicated to a particular design. I'd have to do some testing on the drilled washers to determine their effectiveness.

Hope that helps.

sal
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And this is how the question is answered. :thumbup:
 
You are missing the point. I understand where you are coming from, but your approach is really brash. As I stated, the OP is not knocking on the door to get a knife to production. He is learning. Instead of just telling him "go do it" he is asking for some initial information. Maybe he broke an unwritten business rule, but there are better ways to handle it. He obviously is not prepared and as far along as you are in getting a design to Spyderco, but that doesn't mean he should be shunned and shut up because he asked a question. We all have to start somewhere, and asking a question here on the forums when you know Sal Glesser might chime in is one of the best places I can think to start. I am a firm believer in learning by asking questions. I am myself an engineer (MET from Purdue University). I understand the complexities and time it takes to engineer anything from simple to coordinating teams of engineers on large products. Everyone is different, maybe the OP will never design a knife, maybe he is simply curious. He obviously is ignorant and I command him for asking the "stupid" question. I am glad he is obviously not thinned skinned and glad he got Sal to give a thoughtful response. I think if you just saw this as a general inquiry, and lightened up a bit you would be more in tune with the OP. People make mistakes when learning something new, but your approach does not really foster learning and growth.

To the OP: I apologize if I misspoke for you. I was going with the tone of you and your responses and projecting a bit.
 
Matthew Gregory said:
Mr. Glesser, you are without question a treasure of the knifemaking world, and a consummate gentleman. Your participation on web forums makes you TRULY a gem.
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Agreed. I try to avoid any kind of brand loyalty, as I feel it does nothing to benefit me as a consumer. But Mr. Glesser and Spyderco make it really, really hard not to jump on the bandwagon. A class act from top to bottom, and a man I should, frankly, emulate more than I do.
 
nccole said:
But you have to admit that crap is not often present on our sub forum, and this was not originally posted here, but moved post stupid comment. Such is BF, consistent rules do not apply to all members. Normally the mod that moved it would chime in with infractions and a closure, but "Pirates" get a pass I guess:rolleyes:
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You are way off base here. Noone gets a free pass. Kohai999 is no more a "pirate" than Martha Stewart and is once again publically reminded to temper his responses on whichever forum he is posting.
 
SolidState said:
Hey Rawzors,
Like anything in life, if you want respect you need to come prepared. You obviously haven't done ANY research on the topic and are basically asking others to do all of the work to put together the things you like. That never helps people get what they want once they are an adult.
If you really want the knife, do the R&D for Spyderco and send them the completed design. That way, they don't have to pay their head engineer to do all of the development and design (which takes a long time, especially with what you're asking for). Not only will this keep cost down for them, but if they don't make it you will have the design or the knife anyway.

I'm not just saying this as a forumite. I wanted to see a specific, hard-to-engineer knife from Spyderco, and so I did the work, and it's in their prototyping phase right now. It can be done, but not the way you're doing it. The way you're doing it is kind of condescending and demanding at the same time, even if you don't understand that you're being that way. Not only that, but it's nowhere near as productive as getting into the shop, or a CAD program and designing the knife. Spyderco takes submissions for new knives regularly, but ignores ill-researched demands just as regularly if not more regularly. When I was talking with Sal, he was expressing that the level of work a designer puts in is often equivalent to the level of respect the design gets. They can tell if you took the time to do the art, or if you just slopped crap together. They can also tell if you just made word soup without doing any real thinking or research on the matter.
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SolidState said:
Apparently informing the OP that taking agency is a far better way to go about getting what he wants than the method he used is hostile. I apologize if I communicated hostility. My intention was to let him know that if he puts the work into figuring it out (takes agency), he has a far better chance of getting what he wants than writing a list of things that are very difficult to engineer together and asking for a cost. If that makes me a jerk who is embarrassing to work with, so be it. I'm an embarrassing jerk who solves problems by taking active agency in the matter in time-tested and proven ways.

If I were the OP, I'd be embarrassed to ask questions without having done any research, and if I were you, I'd be embarrassed to stand up for that as a viable path forward. I guess our opinions are substantially different, and I'd assume our portfolios reflect that fact. The OP has agency, and if he takes agency over his desires, the world is his. Taking that agency will mean doing actual research, actual development, and actually figuring it out. Every human has that power, few exert it. Most simply beg or demand those who express that agency to do their bidding. Coddling that behavior is what keeps our species in the proverbial ditch. Give a man a fish...

Also, Sal goes out of his way to provide all of the necessary information for people to take agency. He pays from his company's profits to add educational pages to his catalogs so that customers can be informed. How many other companies tack a bunch of cost onto their marketing simply to share the material sourcing, science, and engineering backbones of making their product with the masses? Few production companies are as transparent as Spyderco when it comes to international sourcing and production, and I can't think of one who spends money on marketing that provides others the ability to make what they make. Most would call the things he openly shares "trade secrets," and guard them viciously. I can only imagine he shares those things openly so that people can take agency and actively innovate with his company, or even for the industry as a whole. Even the forum is time and money he puts into educating people about how to take agency and move the community forward as a whole. People who actually care, hoard that information and ruminate on it like Gollum with his ring.

It seems like Sal is saying that the costs are unknown in the nicest way possible, because he's the nicest guy possible in all of these circumstances. Honestly I don't see anyone here actually looking at how many hours it takes to get a bunch of features onto something as small as a pocket knife. People are concentrated on materials and material costs, but ignoring that he actually has to pay people to engineer this stuff. If you're holding it, someone tinkered with it for many hours to get it to work with "reliable, high-performance." You may not appreciate this, because Spyderco puts out so many good designs in such quick succession that it seems to just spill forth naturally from their company like a fountain, but Sal is paying a lot of money in the form of man hours just to get these things to work and also handle abuse. Take apart some of his knives, and you will find machinery similar to a swiss watch - the Szabo for example hides 90% of what makes it awesome from the user. That hidden material didn't engineer itself, and Sal payed someone for every minute it took to perfect the spring tensions, locking mechanism, torque, etc. Many of the designs take years of tweaking before they hit the market.

Sal has to pay his engineers for that time, and it functionally factors into cost for him. It also directly influences the viability of making it happen. What the op is talking about is probably will cost at least 100 hours of design time, and at $25 an hour (low for an engineer) you're looking at minimally $2500 in just design costs, not to mention machining for each prototype. As a business man, would you throw 2.5k at what may be a boondoggle, and if so, how many times would you do that before you wised up? Smart money is running with things that have shown proof of concept and depth of thought in problem solving (paying the designer once a tangible proof of concept has been displayed).

Also, would you quote a production cost on an online forum without having any of that information? The first thing the internet would do is to take the quote, divide it by 1200 and complain about the final product costing one cent more than that. We've all seen it at least twice a week for as long as we've been on the forum.

The OP can probably make the model (maybe in G-10 first) if he takes agency over it. If restating that makes me embarrassing, so be it. It will take him a long time, and it looks hard as hell to put together, but he can probably do it. If he does it, and shows it works, he may well be able to get them to make it. With that method, in the end he may get the knife he wants, make some money as well, and gain some interesting connections in the knife world. That's not going to happen if he starts by asking for the cost of a list of demands. He's effectively walking the wrong way down this road, and if he just turns around, he can probably get where he wants to go (with some compromise). Apparently telling him that makes me a jerk, instead of helpful. Apparently nccole, you're a nice guy for patting the op on the head and providing no actual assistance in terms of getting what he wants or moving the community forward with what would be a pretty interesting frankenspyder collaboration.
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nccole said:
You are blowing this way out of proportion.
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How could you tell :confused:
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Matthew Gregory said:
Mr. Glesser, you are without question a treasure of the knifemaking world, and a consummate gentleman. Your participation on web forums makes you TRULY a gem.
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Well said. Sal is a class act in every way :thumbup:
 
Kohai999 said:
I'm gonna hold this post up as example one of why "entitlement" and "internet" go hand in hand....along with ignorance of production requirements.

Let me ask you a question "Rawzors". Regardless of what it would cost, generally speaking, a specialized order like this would require 1,000 pieces in order to be profitable for the manufacturer. Are you prepared to support this project with a 50% deposit? If so, I can help you realize this dream....I'm thinking tooling, production and marketing will start around $20,000.00

If not......keep dreaming. Money talks and BS walks.,,,,this is fanboy public masturbation at the very worst.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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Mr Garsson,.
Be respectful here. Savvy? You can choose a whole plethora of sub forums to pick a fight, why here? You ruin the dignity of the people who appreciate Sal and Gail and the knives they produce. You want to talk SpyderCo, then talk SpyderCo. You want to talk trash? Take it to Whine and Cheese, or any place but here.
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Greykilt said:
Mr Garsson,.
Be respectful here. Savvy? You can choose a whole plethora of sub forums to pick a fight, why here? You ruin the dignity of the people who appreciate Sal and Gail and the knives they produce. You want to talk SpyderCo, then talk SpyderCo. You want to talk trash? Take it to Whine and Cheese, or any place but here.
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The original post was in Custom & Handmade Knives and I moved it to Spyderco after Kohai999's post. Still a discussion forum, but of a different sort.
 
SolidState said:
Hey Rawzors,
Like anything in life, if you want respect you need to come prepared. You obviously haven't done ANY research on the topic and are basically asking others to do all of the work to put together the things you like. That never helps people get what they want once they are an adult.
If you really want the knife, do the R&D for Spyderco and send them the completed design. That way, they don't have to pay their head engineer to do all of the development and design (which takes a long time, especially with what you're asking for). Not only will this keep cost down for them, but if they don't make it you will have the design or the knife anyway.

I'm not just saying this as a forumite. I wanted to see a specific, hard-to-engineer knife from Spyderco, and so I did the work, and it's in their prototyping phase right now. It can be done, but not the way you're doing it. The way you're doing it is kind of condescending and demanding at the same time, even if you don't understand that you're being that way. Not only that, but it's nowhere near as productive as getting into the shop, or a CAD program and designing the knife. Spyderco takes submissions for new knives regularly, but ignores ill-researched demands just as regularly if not more regularly. When I was talking with Sal, he was expressing that the level of work a designer puts in is often equivalent to the level of respect the design gets. They can tell if you took the time to do the art, or if you just slopped crap together. They can also tell if you just made word soup without doing any real thinking or research on the matter.
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you do know I am not an engineer right? im not a 70 year old knife expert, I dont work for a knife manufacturer, and this IS AN INTERNET FORUM. I AM NOT ASKING THEN TO SO THIS< I SIMPLY WANTED TO KNOW HOW MUCH THE KNIFE WOULD COST IF THEY DID. apperently some people dont understand what a hypothetical question is. how am i being demanding by asking a question and leaving a post on a thread on and internet forum? if you dont like the thread you are not forced to reply to the thread.

I didnt sumbit it to anyone, and this wasnt meant to be a super serious thread, it was a casually asked question about a what if.

let me restate the fact that i am not chris reeves, or rick hinderer, or any other custom/other knife designer. im a guy on a forum, asking a question. im not here to demand that spyderco so something, as nobody in their right mind would think that i was DEMANDING THAT SPYDERCO DO ANYTHING by simply posting a forum topic on an internet forum with a what if question on it.

and ets be totally honest here, with the difficultly of engineering. they already have the designs for the compression lock. they already have the designs for the frn handles. they would have to make room for the compression lock in the liners and handles. they already showed they could do that in g10 with the para2. you could almost copy and paste the lock area of the para2 design onto an endura lock area, and use the rest of the endura design. ofc the making of the molds would be new and they would have to pay for the mold creation if they actually did it, which is, as other have said in more informative and useful responses, would be expensive. they have the design for the endura wave knife, they would change the tang area to something along the same lines as the para2.

I'm sure that within a few months, a good engineer could make that happen in a few month. its a small area. they are not redesigning a car from scratch here. im not an engineer but i know a few, and they have created alot more complex things in less time. you are not working from scratch here to create this, you are simply merging two designs and making room.
 
Greykilt said:
Mr Garsson,.
Be respectful here. Savvy? You can choose a whole plethora of sub forums to pick a fight, why here? You ruin the dignity of the people who appreciate Sal and Gail and the knives they produce. You want to talk SpyderCo, then talk SpyderCo. You want to talk trash? Take it to Whine and Cheese, or any place but here.
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nail... head...smashed it.
 
SolidState said:
Apparently informing the OP that taking agency is a far better way to go about getting what he wants than the method he used is hostile. I apologize if I communicated hostility. My intention was to let him know that if he puts the work into figuring it out (takes agency), he has a far better chance of getting what he wants than writing a list of things that are very difficult to engineer together and asking for a cost. If that makes me a jerk who is embarrassing to work with, so be it. I'm an embarrassing jerk who solves problems by taking active agency in the matter in time-tested and proven ways. explain to me how you "solved a problem" by being a pompous ass on an internet forum? if there really was a problem, would not the best way of dealing with it be to simply ignore it and let the topic fall to passed the first page, never to be seen again? no you did solve anything by being condescending and arrogant. Your intentions had nothing to do solving anything. You, like any other troll on the internet, enjoy venting your frustrations in your own life onto anonymous others.

If I were the OP, I'd be embarrassed to ask questions without having done any research, and if I were you, I'd be embarrassed to stand up for that as a viable path forward. I guess our opinions are substantially different, and I'd assume our portfolios reflect that fact. The OP has agency, and if he takes agency over his desires, the world is his. Taking that agency will mean doing actual research, actual development, and actually figuring it out. Every human has that power, few exert it. Most simply beg or demand those who express that agency to do their bidding. Coddling that behavior is what keeps our species in the proverbial ditch. Give a man a fish... cute.... so you are again saying that i demanded that spyderco do my bidding? that is plainly false. now lets say that the title of my thread happened to be, which it was not, "Hey spyderco, Make me this knife or im going to cry" what in your mind makes you think that I have any power over the manufacturing descisions at company such as spyderco by simply posting a thread on a internet forum that could simply be ignored? what agency do i have, what actual power do i have over anything they do?
if you wanted to use the give a man a fish thing, you probably should have provided me with some links or at the very least a search term that would help assist me in the direction needed to find the answers for myself. but instead you resorted to ad hominems and crying foul play over a harmless question. please sir, before you call someone else something, you should look in the mirror and make sure you arent speaking about yourself as well.

Also, Sal goes out of his way to provide all of the necessary information for people to take agency. He pays from his company's profits to add educational pages to his catalogs so that customers can be informed. How many other companies tack a bunch of cost onto their marketing simply to share the material sourcing, science, and engineering backbones of making their product with the masses? Few production companies are as transparent as Spyderco when it comes to international sourcing and production, and I can't think of one who spends money on marketing that provides others the ability to make what they make. Most would call the things he openly shares "trade secrets," and guard them viciously. I can only imagine he shares those things openly so that people can take agency and actively innovate with his company, or even for the industry as a whole. Even the forum is time and money he puts into educating people about how to take agency and move the community forward as a whole. People who actually care, hoard that information and ruminate on it like Gollum with his ring.

It seems like Sal is saying that the costs are unknown in the nicest way possible, because he's the nicest guy possible in all of these circumstances. Honestly I don't see anyone here actually looking at how many hours it takes to get a bunch of features onto something as small as a pocket knife. People are concentrated on materials and material costs, but ignoring that he actually has to pay people to engineer this stuff. If you're holding it, someone tinkered with it for many hours to get it to work with "reliable, high-performance." You may not appreciate this, because Spyderco puts out so many good designs in such quick succession that it seems to just spill forth naturally from their company like a fountain, but Sal is paying a lot of money in the form of man hours just to get these things to work and also handle abuse. Take apart some of his knives, and you will find machinery similar to a swiss watch - the Szabo for example hides 90% of what makes it awesome from the user. That hidden material didn't engineer itself, and Sal payed someone for every minute it took to perfect the spring tensions, locking mechanism, torque, etc. Many of the designs take years of tweaking before they hit the market.

Sal has to pay his engineers for that time, and it functionally factors into cost for him. It also directly influences the viability of making it happen. What the op is talking about is probably will cost at least 100 hours of design time, and at $25 an hour (low for an engineer) you're looking at minimally $2500 in just design costs, not to mention machining for each prototype. As a business man, would you throw 2.5k at what may be a boondoggle, and if so, how many times would you do that before you wised up? Smart money is running with things that have shown proof of concept and depth of thought in problem solving (paying the designer once a tangible proof of concept has been displayed). smart money doesnt get wound up over a forum post. smart money also know that if you sell 50 of these knives, and if they cost 150$,and you make they for 70 dollars a piece post design, exluding means of production, you would be in the black.

Also, would you quote a production cost on an online forum without having any of that information? The first thing the internet would do is to take the quote, divide it by 1200 and complain about the final product costing one cent more than that. We've all seen it at least twice a week for as long as we've been on the forum. then you should used to it, and by now have a bit thicker skin and complain or fly off the handle over simple stuff by now.

The OP can probably make the model (maybe in G-10 first) if he takes agency over it. If restating that makes me embarrassing, so be it. It will take him a long time, and it looks hard as hell to put together, but he can probably do it. If he does it, and shows it works, he may well be able to get them to make it. With that method, in the end he may get the knife he wants, make some money as well, and gain some interesting connections in the knife world. That's not going to happen if he starts by asking for the cost of a list of demands. He's effectively walking the wrong way down this road, and if he just turns around, he can probably get where he wants to go (with some compromise). Apparently telling him that makes me a jerk, instead of helpful. Apparently nccole, you're a nice guy for patting the op on the head and providing no actual assistance in terms of getting what he wants or moving the community forward with what would be a pretty interesting frankenspyder collaboration.
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so being an asshole myself, im going to break down why you are totally out of line with you're responses. im going to use bad grammar because im lazy. red is me. and for the sake of not wasting TOO much of my time, im going to edit the quote.
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Rawrzors,

Welcme to our forum.

Our forum is usually very civil. Must be Friday :rolleyes:y

Your question is far more complicated than it might appear. We would probably not make a full flat Endura blade with an Emerson opener as I question the strength of the blade. Without the spine to support the blade, the blade cross section would be very thin with an EO.

Much or our production is "country specific". S30V and M4 are USA steels, the Endura is made in Japan. These "country specific" issues become more complicated when shipping steels to different areas. DLC is only done in the USA. As mentioned, FRN molds can be very costly, especially when made in Japan. We would have to have the assurance of high volume to invest in the mold costs. We usually make a new design with slab components to test a design before beginning a mold.

Models with Compression locks have to be engineered around the lock from the beginning, which means it's an entirely new engineering project (read costly). Screws don't "strip out". Inexperienced owners usually don't do it right, applying too much force. Big lanyard holes with tubes require more space in the design. Clips are often dedicated to a particular design. I'd have to do some testing on the drilled washers to determine their effectiveness.

Hope that helps.

sal
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Hey man thanks a ton for the well thought ou response. So far I've heard nothing but good things about you and your knowledge.

I must say as a newbie, this was just meant to be a fun discussion thread. about production costs and whether or not it would be a good design. I had no idea it would take a turn for the worst and I would seem as though, to some, to be demanding production models, lol.

First I definitely have a lot of experience stripping out screws. lol, I dont know too much about screws to be totally honest, so may as well scratch that from the list of "demands."
would it be more cost effective to swap s30v/m4 for zdp189 or another japanese steel, or to ship the rest of the parts back to the states for assembly and make the blade in the states out of the chosen steel?

If dlc is only done in the states, it may ( not an expert again) be more cost effective to have the blades made in the states and dlc coated while the production process of the the rest of the knives were done in Japan. That way the blades and the dlc coating could be done in the states?

Also, speaking from an obvious lack of experience that I feel I am showing greatly here, would it be better to mill the bidirectional texturing into g10 scales instead of frn for the handles? Would that make the handles incredibly thick?

I used to use drilled washers in my racing rc cars when I was younger. I made them at home with lithium grease, polishing tool on a buffer and some nice steel washers. I used them in both the transmission and the front wheels ( was an rwd rc truggy) i found that as long as i got the right sized washers and a good fit, through the spinning of the wheels and trans, the grease would, as it wore out or was spun off, would refill from the whole in the washers. I began using thickers washers to hold more grease, which increases the wheel base, which decreased flipping on high speed turns. that probably means absolutely nothing to you... It would probably be different for a knife as there is not consistent centrifugal forces.
I took a small drill bring and clamped down the washer to a table I didn't care if I ruined and drilled four holes in the washes. I then used some sand paper and polish to get the burres off and smooth out the washers.

Keep in mind when answering, this was meant to be a light hearted, fun, learning experience thread, and has obviously gotten away from that in some of the less tasteful posts. I am of course not demanding that anyone do anything, But nice answer from people who know more than I do would be greatly appreciated.
 
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