How much does "toughness" matter?

Alone said:
Man, I "get" it...completely. And, I take no exception to your search, and wish you the best with it.


Here's my thing...

1) I'm an old guy *(51yo) and guilty of the "stainless" bigotry.

2) I'm a "pragmatic" guy and have absolutely beaten the sh*t out of every steel I mentioned, and...

3) I still think a 1911 is the BEST handgun on the planet.


Forgive me. As I posted, I'm a dinosaur.

Again, good luck with your search for a "tough" stainless steel. I'm absolutely positive that it (*they) exists, but (*on my end) it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks.


Happy huntin'!
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Hey, I'm just trying to learn and accumulate info! I am NOT trying to knock on any steels or anyone's choice of steels.

What kick-started this whole thing was looking into getting a Mora Garberg and researching the steels they were both offered in.

Also, S&W .357 is my go to! Mostly because I'm much more likely to have to use it on a bear than anything else.
 
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Another Shepherd said:
ESEE offers knives in 1095 and S35VN. They have a Youtube video showing that their S35VN blades can break, but 1095 doesn't. I vaguely recall they were batoning a log or some such thing; I might be wrong.

My two ESEEs are S35VN. I like stainless. I will be astounded if I ever break either knife, or if I ever need to baton a log.

The DBK boys have shown a couple times that they can baton with a Benchmade Bugout in S30V or M390.
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I think the big difference on the esee knives is the hardness. The 1095 has an HRC of 55-57 (pretty soft by my understanding) vs the S35VN at roughly 60 HRC.
 
JoeBusic said:
Toughness difference between high vs low temp temper and the difference in carbides. 3V toughness dives over 60HRC. At 62 it's close to D2. Sweet spot is 58HRC with high temp temper. Low temp strengthens the matrix and compression strength rises so smashing tests look very good. There is a difference between toughness and impact toughness. Probability that general toughness is better with Delta is high because of the matrix, but stronger the matrix leads to easier cracking at crack propagation sites, which are primary carbides that Delta is seemingly in favor of. So impact toughness is probably lower. One way to find out. :)
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I guess you didn't see my post on the difference between strength, and toughness.
 
Alone said:
Man, I "get" it...completely. And, I take no exception to your search, and wish you the best with it.


Here's my thing...

1) I'm an old guy *(51yo) and guilty of the "stainless" bigotry.

2) I'm a "pragmatic" guy and have absolutely beaten the sh*t out of every steel I mentioned, and...

3) I still think a 1911 is the BEST handgun on the planet.


Forgive me. As I posted, I'm a dinosaur.

Again, good luck with your search for a "tough" stainless steel. I'm absolutely positive that it (*they) exists, but (*on my end) it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks.


Happy huntin'!
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1) You're not very old.

2) Pragmatism is good.

3) Glocks are the BEST handguns on the planet.
 
JoeBusic said:
I did. What's your point?
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JoeBusic said:
Toughness difference between high vs low temp temper and the difference in carbides. 3V toughness dives over 60HRC. At 62 it's close to D2. Sweet spot is 58HRC with high temp temper. Low temp strengthens the matrix and compression strength rises so smashing tests look very good. There is a difference between toughness and impact toughness. Probability that general toughness is better with Delta is high because of the matrix, but stronger the matrix leads to easier cracking at crack propagation sites, which are primary carbides that Delta is seemingly in favor of. So impact toughness is probably lower. One way to find out. :)
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Toughness IS the ability of the steel to take an impact without damage.

Yep, one way to find out. Check the photo of the cut chain link by a Carothers D3V steel knife.
 
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