How much knife for hiking

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Yay - data!!

Ok so it looks like ONLY around 40-50 people died of cold or heat exposure over the course of 4 years (just in National Parks - not all of them…).

Some folks may look at that and say “See!!! It’s so unlikely to happen to me I don’t need to worry about it!”

Other folks like myself see that SAME DATA and think “Jeez!! That many people died from exposure! I wonder how I can keep myself from becoming one of those statistics??? Maybe bring a shelter or some tools to make a shelter?? Yes by Jove! I think that’s it!” ;)

Plus there's the little fact that statistics apply to populations and large samples, not to individuals. Once "selected," the probability of something happening to an individual is 100%,
 
The good thing about water is that your pack will get much lighter as you go! Just like your ammo bag at a shooting match!
It’s why I like going up first. You get the hard part done while you’re strong and the morning is nice.

It’s also why the Grand Canyon sucks.

. . .

“Shooting matches?”

*crickets*

“Shooting who?”
 
It’s why I like going up first. You get the hard part done while you’re strong and the morning is nice.

It’s also why the Grand Canyon sucks.

. . .

“Shooting matches?”

*crickets*

“Shooting who?”

Ah! Sorry ... matches = competitions. Your bag gets lighter as you expend ammunition on the different courses of fire.
 
I figured, but I couldn’t resist the chance to mess around. 😁

You got me!


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Ok so it looks like ONLY around 40-50 people died of cold or heat exposure over the course of 4 years (just in National Parks - not all of them…).

Some folks may look at that and say “See!!! It’s so unlikely to happen to me I don’t need to worry about it!”

Other folks like myself see that SAME DATA and think “Jeez!! That many people died from exposure! I wonder how I can keep myself from becoming one of those statistics??? Maybe bring a shelter or some tools to make a shelter?? Yes by Jove! I think that’s it!” ;)
100/297,000,000 is a very small number (or 1/2,970,000). Your odds of getting struck by lightening in your lifetime are 1/15,300. According to the data, you're far more likely to drown in a national park, but I'm guessing you're not packing your swimmies, right? There's an obvious bias here on the forums as to the minimum appropriate knife for hiking. I'm fine with that, but there's a lot of pretending going on as to what's necessary and not a lot of acknowledgement about what's likely.

Plus there's the little fact that statistics apply to populations and large samples, not to individuals. Once "selected," the probability of something happening to an individual is 100%,
I think you're referring to the ecology fallacy. It's true that my case is highly over simplified, and (for instance) if you avoid bodies of water, you change the odds that you'll drown. The statistics aren't informed enough to handle measures that one might take to keep their hearts beating. However, if we're willing to accept that victims in national parks are reasonably representative of the average person doing average things in nature, it indicates that most people who go in to national parks come out alive. My case improves if we assert that these were below average people and/or they were participating in riskier activities.

Go around Yellowstone in early spring wearing a raw meat suit and maybe those odds of being bear food get better.

And who knows- maybe the remaining 99.99995% of visitors all had an ESEE 6 with them, and that's how they all made it out alive, congratulations ESEE, but I think it's reasonable to assert they were regular folks, carrying a typical smattering of knives and probably had relatively minor issues for which whatever knife they did have was sufficient or of no consequence to their situation.

Its why my pack usually contains several gallons of water. 😉
Uh oh... now I see how all those people drowned. ;)


As a general comment:
Carry whatever knife you want into the woods. I carry more than I need to because I'm an enthusiast. I believe it's appropriate to carry some kind of knife, but I don't see much evidence that indicates your life hangs in the balance over the choice of what knife.
 
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The national parks in 2021 had 297 million visitors. If we used the parks as a data-based guide, you have roughly a 0.00005% chance of dying in a national park. If you do die in a national park, you’re most likely to drown. National parks aren’t exactly the same as a walk in the woods, but I think it’s some solid data to sit on.

So how big a set of floaties do you take on a hike.
 
I think you're referring to the ecology fallacy. It's true that my case is highly over simplified, and (for instance) if you avoid bodies of water, you change the odds that you'll drown. The statistics aren't informed enough to handle measures that one might take to keep their hearts beating. However, if we're willing to accept that victims in national parks are reasonably representative of the average person doing average things in nature, it indicates that most people who go in to national parks come out alive. My case improves if we assert that these were below average people and/or they were participating in riskier activities.

You are correct about my reference.

I agree that one can take measures to ensure they share characteristics with a group that tends to have low probability of an event occurring. Given that, in any risk assessment one needs to consider both probability of the even occurring as well as the cost of the even occurring. While the probability of something bad happening is low, the cost can be very high when it does happen. I realize that I'm not saying anything you don't already know.
 
With all this bushcraft stuff on YouTube promoting larger fixed blades, how many people head out into the woods with a folding knife? I’m expecting a Buck 112 slim to try out soon on some small hikes. Can’t image needing a 6” fixed blade unless bushcraft is really your thing.
I never recommend a folder for a main blade. Edpecially outdoors. It will get dirt and grit in the pivot, and loclbacks especially are extremely hard to clean properly. If you want to go light, I'd recommend a mini tac tanto or a crkt minimalist. If you want a higher end blade then a becker necker or izula work great. For a smaller fixed blade, gerber and sog have their principle and aegis fixed blades. Fixed beats folder any day.
 
You are correct about my reference.

I agree that one can take measures to ensure they share characteristics with a group that tends to have low probability of an event occurring. Given that, in any risk assessment one needs to consider both probability of the even occurring as well as the cost of the even occurring. While the probability of something bad happening is low, the cost can be very high when it does happen. I realize that I'm not saying anything you don't already know.

It is also a rationalisation to explain why you are carrying a massive knife or whatever.
 
Given that, in any risk assessment one needs to consider both probability of the even occurring as well as the cost of the even occurring.
agreed, but I think we would disagree on the mitigation.
I don't perceive that "more knife" is the mitigation for mortal risks on a hike.

Basic first aid kit, satellite phone and/or cell phone, space blanket, tarp, water, some kind of food, good hiking boots, and weather appropriate clothing would all make my list before the knife became a serious consideration. I'll tell everyone where I'm going and when I expect to be back. Give me an Opinel No 8 and those items and I'd feel very comfortable regarding my safety on a hike.

So when the OP asks how much knife is necessary for a hike? I wouldn't say anything but a dependable sharp knife would be necessary.
 
What are the potential things that can go wrong on a hike?
Getting lost
Suffering a medical emergency:
heart attack
Stroke
broken bones
concussion
Heat stroke or exhaustion
Being attacked by some Mutt looking for trouble
Being attacked by a wild animal
You have to look at what the chances are of one of these issues happening, and then having a way to get out of it...

There's no doubt that a properly equipped daypack can cover all of these issues. The key will be your prioritizing skills...
 
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