How to defend against wing chun???

Can´t add much to the topic of "how to defend against a WC stylist", the other posts were more than I´d have to say. One thing maybe: If you try kicks, keep them low (needs not much explaining) and straight, don´t use roundhouse kicks. The WC/WT guys I know train to control the centerline even in footwork, so if you go round, their feet will be between your legs - ouch
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Heimdall, do you really think the EWTO attracts street thugs? Besides the money they charge, which some people are willing to pay and others not, I haven´t seen "bad guys" training Leung Ting WT around here, and I happen to take my Latosa Escrima classes from a guy who mainly teaches Leung Ting WT so I know the folks. The students might be different with some German EWTO schools though.
BTW, I too don´t like the excessive commercialism of Kernspecht&crew, so if I´d have the chance to train different WC flavours, I´d pick them over Leung Ting WT anytime, and there´s no good other Filipino style guys except my Latosa Escrima teacher (and the seminars by Latosa and Newman) in my area.
Sorry for turning this into a WC/WT politics thread, but it´s very interesting to me.
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Hi Jugde, I don't mean to offend you. In my humble opinion a lot of people are fooled by the "Wing Tsun"-industry. The WT-system is all about money. The students get told that they will become invincible fighters. The truth is, they will go bankrupt. :-)

Regards,

Bernd.
 
Heimdal: This may be a silly question,but how do you know the other guy is a Wing Chun stylist? How soon?

Is it a pre arranged fight or contest?

Is it a fight that starts with the opponent assuming a WC stance?

Or do you find out the other guy knows WC as he attacks you without warning?

In any case Smoke and other WC stylists have given some good advice on this thread.

My 2 cents on the WORST things you could do:

1. Move back in a straight line while allowing the opponent to stay in trapping range. I once saw this demonstrated to the unkind laughter of the crowd. The challenger looked in good shape and the WC man was grossly overweight, but he backed the challenger and stuck to him like glue--guess who won.

2. Kick to the head, especially circular ones. There was a TKD master who had the fastest back spinning kick I'd ever seen who engaged in a friendly challenge. The WC master stopped him with a front thrust kick. End of story.

(BTW Smoke advocated hooks, not wild haymakers. Presumably hooks with follow ups. This has been the staple of Choy Lee Fut kung fu--which is right behind WC in Hong Kong as to the # 1 style in popularity. A popularity earned in actual fighting between these two styles.)
 
messermafia,
no offense taken. That gross moneymaking is really somewhat
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distasteful. About invincibility: If someone thinks they can become invincible, well... they deserve to get ripped off.

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J_Ringo: I'll know it for two reasons:
1. There is a typicall WC/WT stance, also they try to get away from it, so their sytle can be identyfied so easyly.
2. This guy will (maybe)so stupid, that he tells me that he is a WC-Sytlist. I've even heard it once: "Get away from me! I can do WT! "
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This is related to the think Messermafia, judge and myself were trying to tell you. In central europe we the industrial-commercial-WC-factory EWTO. They tell their stundents, that after six month of trainig they are invictable. And many students believe that. Those claims also attract many BGs, at leat in the urban areas. Those guys have been asome streetfighters before. Than they use their WT stuff, and say: "Great! This stuff really works!"
 
Sorry for all those mistakes! It has to bee:

This is related to the THING Messermafia, judge and myself were trying to tell you. In central europe we HAVE the industrial-commercial-WC-factory EWTO.

- I allways get
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about EWTO.

BTW KELT34: Its "Aachen" if you want to know it ...

I'm allways very glad if I can learn some thing. Please tell me the *big* spelling mistakes.
 
Hello, I just wanted to chime in here. I have attended exactly one (1) WC class as an introductory class, to see what it's like. I read some about the system and it appealed to me. I had been practising Jiu Jitsu for some time, and I felt I wanted to try something new. The teacher (who happened to be german
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), didn't seem at all prepared to give any sort of introductory class to a small group of 'novices', and had a hard time to figure out what exercises he could show us. He also had the nasty habit of punching me in the face to show that he couldn't control his movements if I pushed him "too" hard. Very annoying, but I am sure this was more a case of a bad teacher than anything else. He was costantly badmouthing other martial arts as having no effect in 'real street fights'. Anyway, the stuff that he showed me, or rather used to make himself look good, wasn't really up to handling with typical Jiu Jitsu grappling techniques, as I tried to show him (just love that choking
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at times like that), when he hit me in the head one too many times to make a point. His response: "yeah, but I wasn't ready". At the end of the class he showed us some leaflets, on the front: THE WORLD's BEST DEFENSIVE ART, USED BY SEALS, FBI, HRT..etc". Needless to say, I never returned to that school.

Whew, it felt good to get that of my chest! Anyway, back to topic, from the limited stuff that I have seen, Jiu Jitsu type in close grappling seemed to work which links up with what has been said before about staying out of their preferred range. I make it a habit to never "play their game" when sparring with a visiting Karate-ka, Judo-ka, Tae Kwon Do- ?, you get the point. On the street: double that principle with weapons if you can, improvised or not.

NB, I still think that WC is potentially a very good system with some very good techniques. There's just no good school in my area. Currently, I am taking Aikido, not the most 'street ready' art one would say, but my teacher is great. His priniciple is to teach his students self-defense first and 'real' aikido second. Not to say, that we don't get any Aikido techniques, but at times he teaches us some techniques which combine Aikido and "Chinese stuff" as he calls it (the name of the art eludes me). Anyway, it is very cool to learn not only Aikido but to also learn what element works on the street and what not, and what works for a beginner and advanced etc... But now, I am afraid I am using up too much bandwidth on the wrong forum.
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Greetings, von den Niederlanden

Wouter
 
Actually, now that I think of it, most students in that class were wearing T shirts with EWTO on them! Can you tell me more about that organization?
Thanx

Wouter
 
Hi Wouter, Wing Chun is a great martial art and it works very well in the street. Nevertheless we shouldn't forget: "It's the singer - not the song!" (Sifu Wong Shun Leung).
Unfortunately Wing Chun has become a big business. A lot of so-called Masters out there are teaching unbeatable and secret techniques and make a fortune. That's bull**** (...oops, sorry!)! There intention is not to spread the art of Wing Chun Kung Fu. They are only looking for money. They don't even know real Wing Chun. Their techniques lack structure, which is the very backbone of this Chinese art. They try to intimitade beginners with brutality, because they are unable to impress with sound techniques. A real Master doesn't has to hurt beginners. He/she should be always in control.
I'm in love with Wing Chun for more than four years now. Although I do respect other martial arts. There are plenty of effective styles with lots of great fighters.

Regards from Germany,

Bernd.
 
Shawn C.

I tried to post a reply over in the Filipino Roots thread, but couldn't seem to get it to come through.

I was really amazed to see another member from Eugene. I looked up your profile and didn't see any way to contact you. My profile has all my contact info. Please, make use of it.

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Or pepper spray, and the knife when needed.

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Mr Blonde: This is the histroy of the EWTO from my point of view:
Some years ago, a guy called Keith R. Kernspecht met a WC-instructor called Leung Ting. This Leung Ting was a student of Yip Man, who instructed Bruce Lee in his early days. These two guys created the Wing Tsun sytem. It's 90% WC and rest are from other MAs Kernspecht studied in his life. They than foundet the IWTO with its europan section the EWTO. These organisations (As Myamoto Musashi would call it) went out "and sold the MA as a product on the marke". In several books, videos, ... they tell the public, that ALL other MAs are ineffective and with WT you become invicitble in 6 month. And their stundents believe that.
I've heard that their Sifus treat the students very rude before. IMHO that is to impress them with their brutality.

As I said this are my 0.02 $
 
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