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It has been few days since I wrote the original post in this section, which should have never been written in the first place, or if written, it should have been worded differently. So I have just edited it and took off the railing parts.

My number one mistake was not to have heed this forum's area rules, which obviously I didn't read very carefully, the main one being to wait at least a day to allow myself to be cool, un-pissed and be more objective.

My second mistake was to rail someone who deserves respect, mainly because he did not rip me off and refunded my money, even though he did not communicate in a way I would expect, I have no knowledge of his circumstances or problems he might be going through in his life. We are all human, and certainly I am the least perfect person I know.

Since the original post was public, I want to publicly offer my most sincere apology to Tom (TmMcglasson36): please forgive me for railing your character and saying you acted like a teenager and not a marine, and for using the language I used; looking back, I realize it was me who acted that way by writing what I wrote and I really regret it, and I agree with you, it was not fair; so again, please forgive me Tom. If you do, I would certainly do business with you in the future if you still want to do it, even though you probably think I am an ass, and I don't blame you for it.

While I can agree with some of the answers posted by other members of the forum, like coming to this area to mention problems we have with other members that could reveal certain patterns; this was not the case here, and I certainly agree that my original post was total trash because of what I said and the language I used, and if I offended any other marine out there, or member of our peace keeping, or armed forces, (or just offended you, period), I also apologize for that and humbly ask for your forgiveness. I am still extremely grateful for your service to all of us so that we can sleep in peace at night, I really mean that; especially the USMC, you have my utmost respect and admiration for all you do, and for enduring all the crap you have to put up with.

I am not trying to appear humble or put up an act to deceive anyone, the reality is that I broke my back while at work a few years ago, and I have to take a lot of medicines that can affect my thinking and my judgment sometimes, that day I was unusually hurting and was in a real pissy mood; this is not an excuse though, and that is why I retract of what I said. I learned my lesson.

I came here to make friends, not to have problems or create them; I learned my lesson (again), and I'm sorry I wasted everyone's time; I would think that this would at least show that I can repent of my sins and swallow my pride, and admit promptly when I am wrong about something I said or did, even if 'promptly' means a few days.

I'm leaving the thread open to give you a chance to respond if you want to, but you don't have to, nor would I expect you to. I certainly learned some more about the depravity of my own heart, the depths of which I cannot see nor fathom.

Thank you , and have a nice day.
 
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It has been few days since I wrote the original post in this section, which should have never been written in the first place, or if written, it should have been worded differently. So I have just edited it and took off the railing parts.

My number one mistake was not to have heed this forum's area rules, which obviously I didn't read very carefully, the main one being to wait at least a day to allow myself to be cool, un-pissed and be more objective.

My second mistake was to rail someone who deserves respect, mainly because he did not rip me off and refunded my money, even though he did not communicate in a way I would expect, I have no knowledge of his circumstances or problems he might be going through in his life. We are all human, and certainly I am the least perfect person I know.

Since the original post was public, I want to publicly offer my most sincere apology to Tom (TmMcglasson36): please forgive me for railing your character and saying you acted like a teenager and not a marine, and for using the language I used; looking back, I realize it was me who acted that way by writing what I wrote and I really regret it, and I agree with you, it was not fair; so again, please forgive me Tom. If you do, I would certainly do business with you in the future if you still want to do it, even though you probably think I am an ass, and I don't blame you for it.

While I can agree with some of the answers posted by other members of the forum, like coming to this area to mention problems we have with other members that could reveal certain patterns; this was not the case here, and I certainly agree that my original post was total trash because of what I said and the language I used, and if I offended any other marine out there, or member of our peace keeping, or armed forces, (or just offended you, period), I also apologize for that and humbly ask for your forgiveness. I am still extremely grateful for your service to all of us so that we can sleep in peace at night, I really mean that; especially the USMC, you have my utmost respect and admiration for all you do, and for enduring all the crap you have to put up with.

I am not trying to appear humble or put up an act to deceive anyone, the reality is that I broke my back while at work a few years ago, and I have to take a lot of medicines that can affect my thinking and my judgment sometimes, that day I was unusually hurting and was in a real pissy mood; this is not an excuse though, and that is why I retract of what I said. I learned my lesson.

I came here to make friends, not to have problems or create them; I learned my lesson (again), and I'm sorry I wasted everyone's time; I would think that this would at least show that I can repent of my sins and swallow my pride, and admit promptly when I am wrong about something I said or did, even if 'promptly' means a few days.

I'm leaving the thread open to give you a chance to respond if you want to, but you don't have to, nor would I expect you to. I certainly learned some more about the depravity of my own heart, the depths of which I cannot see nor fathom.

Thank you , and have a nice day.

Let's just quote this so people can see what you actually posted and you can't edit out parts latter, good or bad. And thanks to foghorn for quoting your OP so we can still see what you actually wrote, pot shots at the Marine and all.
 
Everyone screws up once in a while......how it's handled says a lot about the screwer upper.
Would've been simple just to disappear......but you didn't.
I took a tumble off a roof in '79 and know, intimately, how spinal pain can drive a man insane. Hang in there!
Joe
 
Everyone screws up once in a while......how it's handled says a lot about the screwer upper.
Would've been simple just to disappear......but you didn't.
I took a tumble off a roof in '79 and know, intimately, how spinal pain can drive a man insane. Hang in there!
Joe

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Very nice post, Joe! :thumbup:

I read your intro, over on that other forum, Makariotes, it's evident, that you've been bitten by the CRK bug! ;) I hope that you're feeling better. :thumbup:

BTW- I'm returning back to San Diego next week- maybe we can get together for a nice cold Ballast Point Sculpin (I haven't had one in 5 months), & a delicious fajita's plate at this awesome hangout of mine, in Carlsbad- it's on me, bro! I'll send you a message when I'm back in town.
 
makariotes, rarely does one see a followup apology as well written as yours, and genuine. Not one of those "If you can't be sincere, then fake it. Incl backhand, gratis."

Ken's post (#19) is both succint and wise.
It is easy(er) for us to see both perspectives after the sides are revealed. Whenever lack of communication is in the crux of the problem, such OP posts are often hasty when viewed in retrospect.

As you have seen, most of the rancor and flames came from the harsh personal comments. Also understandable with chronic pain problems mixed with heavy meds. The clarity of your new post is in stark contrast.

Like the spent arrow, harsh words sent in haste cannot be recalled, but you've done well to clear the air.

(and also, don't be too harsh on yourself as in the last para, "I certainly learned some more about the depravity of my own heart, the depths of which I cannot see nor fathom." which looks like another grim facet of chronic pain/meds. All the best to you.)
 
Well got back yesterday and had a chance to read all the post today completely and man people are quick to flame. Judging ones character base a single event especially if you don't know the individual personally is just wrong. But we all make mistakes, if I would have had more time I would have gave you an option, But when duty calls I got to go. I really didn't expect this reaction, but it would have been worse if you would have gotten no refund and no knife.
Just to be clear,the crack about my Marine Corps integrity and my honor just plain pissed me the **** off. I'm glad you took it down. I'm not going to drag this on any longer. You vented, got it off your chest and apology accepted. I hope your feeling better in the future. If ever we meet first rounds on me. Semper Fi!
 
I would not rate this as Bad or Ugly, but simply as Unfortunate. You do not know why he refunded you, but you don't mind ripping up his reputation. After that, I guess he won't ever sell to you, or tell us what really happened here.

I don't think we're getting more very sensitive people here lately. We are getting a lot more who feel it's all right to "vent". Man up. When someone walks away from a deal, one thing is pretty sure -- you are better off not dealing with someone who would rather not deal with you. You dodged a bullet. Unhappy deals are the ones most likely to go bad.

I think what the OP deserved in this situation is just a simple explanation...that's all I would want...

"I can't find the box" then refind the $ and nothing more is not the kind of explanation most people are looking for when they make a deal, pay for the item, and the seller backs out.

Maybe there is a legit reason, maybe it's shady...but, what should not be a "maybe" is the kind of effort you put into resolving and explaining this kind of a situation.

After all, in life, when you make a deal and then back out without any real reason, you pick up a well deserved reputation.....

As far as rating this "unfortunate" that is being very kind.
The rules here are simple...if you put something up for sale MAKE SURE YOU ARE READY TO SELL IT....
 
Wow. I'm on a 7 day rotation and have been off BF till next week. But I got an email from a friend saying this thread was started. I listed the blade with box and all paperwork included and when I got home I can't find anything box and all are gone. I can't list a knife one way and sell another. I don't do business that way. Using PP I go by there rules, if there was a problem my thread would be used and it clearly states what's for sale.The knife is still in my possesion it wasn't sold to somebody else for a higher price. I sent a PM explaining exactly what happened. Sorry if my refund of the full amount was to fast but got to get to work. But being thrown under the bus because of this is unfair.

This forum is amazing....

Just to put this all together:

You posted a knife with box and paperwork.

The knife was purchased.

You went to put it all together, and found you had no box or paperwork.

The OP had no problem with that, he just wanted the knife.

On "principal" you can't sell the knife because you posted it with a box and paperwork, don't have that stuff, but the OP doesn't care???

Craziest thing ever....

The proper way to handle this sir, if integrity is of utmost importance, would have been to offer the OP a discount for not having what you said you had.
He just wanted the knife, let him have it....

A refund for whatever the agreed value was for what you didn't have would have been the proper way to cleanse your soul of any wrongdoing....
 
Tom:
Thank you for accepting my apology, and for forgiving me; I understand what you're saying about being pissed off, I would have felt the same way, I really regret pissing you off by offending you. Also, thanks for saying you hope I feel better in the future and offering the first round if we ever meet; I would really like that to happen so that I can shake your hand and thank you for your service, and for being gracious; you are a fine marine. If life ever brings you to San Diego and you need anything, or a place to crash, hit me up and I will gladly try my best to help you.

Thanks to all who opined and gave your input, whether I see it as good or bad is irrelevant at this point, but I appreciate even the flames; they have helped me re-learn what I already knew. Thank you to all who showed empathy, palonej, kelama, nickedone, and of course Tom; I probably missed someone.

I think enough has been said up to this point, and I just noticed the little check box at the bottom left that says 'close thread', so I will do that after I'm done writing this. Life is very short and goes by very quick, at the end what really matters is not how many knives I was able to buy or sell, or play with and enjoy, but how many friends I've made, how well I served those whom I love, and how much good I have done to others.

There is a movie, I think it is called "Inception", with Leonardo DiCaprio, which I really enjoyed watching, one thing that stuck with me is the guy who said that he wanted to die with no regrets; and this whole thing I started was a regretful one for me; I am so glad Tom has forgiven me, and it takes away the regret for the most part, I am at peace if you are at peace, thank you.

You all gentlemen have a nice day, and keep it sharp; I'll see you in the fun section of the forum.
Alex.
 
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