HSC /// Handforged Utility Hunter review (white steel!)

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Harbeer has sent me on of his user knives to review and test.
He is a newer maker that has been Trained by the legendary Murray Carter.


This Handforged beauty clad is a mild steel Damascus (sumingashi/inkblot) with a white(Shirogami) #2 steel core

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I put my own edge on it and reprofiled it with a king 1k

Nothing sharpens this fast to such a keen edge

It's very hard at 63-64 but sharpens like nothing else.

It gets insanely sharp with little effort.



I refined the edge Carter style on my m 6k king

It was magic.




And finally a leather strop with compound.

So Sharp.



Heres a quick video review.


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Buckle up, it's time to learn about HSC's pure cutting machine,

The utility hunter.

I'll post a writen as well later.
 
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thanks Shawn, appreciate your time and effort on evaluating my knife
now send it back :-)
regards
 
Looking at the video I think you waste too much steel from knive to sharpen .And 4 minutes is quick sharpening ? How much was blunt knife before ?
 
Don't worry, I'm not using an angle grinder XD. I wanted Harbeer to send me the knife quicker. Its a user piece he made for testing. It had some damage. Its a great test of this steel.

Normally, I would use a 400 grit to reprofile.

This knife was reprofiled and sharpened on a cheap slow cutting 1k king stone at 63-64 hrc 😱

Impressive.

Why would I test a knife not at its full potential?
 
Looking at the video I think you waste too much steel from knive to sharpen .And 4 minutes is quick sharpening ? How much was blunt knife before ?

I believe the knife was in pretty good shape and sharp when I sent it. The amount of sharpening looks appropriate given that it was reasonably sharp when
I shipped it.

The initial passes Shawn made are thinning out the primary bevel which is also very appropriate when sharpening. I'm not really finding too much fault with his sharpening.

Is there something specific ?
 
Thanks for review & video, Shawn!

Please elaborate on your 20-22dps comments because usually a 63-64rc core thin edge would ripple rather than rolls. HSC/// - was 63-64rc tested or projected?

Wow, those are powerful wood slicing technique - I learned 2 things: technique + don't slip & not having a trailing edge. I will definitely use this technique for slow & control cuttings :thumbup:
 
HSC/// - was 63-64rc tested or projected?

projected and expected,
It's pretty difficult to check hardness on a laminated core, of course even after exposing it.
but I am working on getting some white steel to do some real hardness testing.
it's not that easy to get raw white steel....
 
Thanks for review & video, Shawn!

Please elaborate on your 20-22dps comments because usually a 63-64rc core thin edge would ripple rather than rolls. HSC/// - was 63-64rc tested or projected?

Wow, those are powerful wood slicing technique - I learned 2 things: technique + don't slip & not having a trailing edge. I will definitely use this technique for slow & control cuttings :thumbup:

Thanks brother.

The deformation occurred when making powerful cuts in pine wood at 15dps

It was still very sharp

a lay person would not notice



once I sharpened to ~20dps. I didn't experience deformation

There is a very detailed written review coming.

I know you guys like those the best.

They just take lots of time to write.

Soon

:)
 
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Just as you start to cut I thought ............this guy need to buy cut resistant protective gloves level 5 :) Seriously, you make some dangerous movements when you cut with both hands .............And I like how that knive cut :thumbup:
 
Haha I deserve the rebuke.

Thanks for watching Natlek!

The technique works just don't use it on a green Branch above your head and keep as tight grip on with the support hand.

But I digress.

Haha

This is review is about this awesome blade. Not my shortcomings.

For now We'll focus on the blade.

I'll discuss my techniques or lack of in another thread.
Thanks bro.:)
 
Great review. HSC makes some very beautiful knives. Functional works of art there!
 
First off, a Huge thanks to HSC ///
Harbeer was kind enough to reach out to me for an opportunity to review this beautiful knife.


Having seen his work and given my prefences for high performance cutlery, it was quite the honor

The knife has been shipped away to Jim Ankerson for more cut testing.
I will be doing my usual extensive review off some notes and pictures I took.
This thread will be updated piece by piece.

Also questions about the knife are welcome!

Lets start with everyone's favorite knife subject.

The steel


unless youve been living under a rock in the knife world, everyone know about Murray Carter.


a real 17th generation master blade smith that has been the nexus for east meets west in the knife community.

Harbeer from HSC/// has been learned japanese bladesmithing techniques from training under Murray. He has learned the artful skills to hand forge this awesome steel.



While a Harbeer is a new maker he draws on his life experience and passion for cutlery.

we’ll get to know him more later


A little backround on white steel.



Hitachi White Paper steel "Shirogami"

Hitachi is a world leader in steel manufacturer for the things that actually build our world.

Knives are rather insignificant to the grand scale of the steel industry, yet Hitachi has a special smaller division that focuses on simple carbon cutlery steels to pay homage to the days of old, when warlords and warriors ruled Japan.

The Yasuki Steel divison of Hitachi
Yellow, White, and Blue, these colors come from the color of paper the steel is wrapped in to denote the type of steel

here is a great chart.




We can see there all carbon steels with slightly different attributes and each with different numbered levels of quality or ingredients (super, 1,2,3)
Super Blue being at the top with more alloying for wear resistance,reduced ease of sharpening and hardness.

White steel, being the purist and simplest of the three,

it is Hitachi’s take on what a modern "tamahagnue" or "Jewel Steel" would be with modern manufactering.
The simple carbon steel that made samurai swords from crude pig iron.


It takes ludicrous amounts of time and skill to make and doesn’t have the quality control of today's steel.
But what an art!

The HSC /// utility hunter uses a white #2 steel core.



this a very simple, pure alloy

using my favorite phone app from gator at zknives (Thanks for all you work bro)



The Shriogami steels


Carbon and manganese. ( with a very small amount of silicon and trace amounts of sulfur)



versus 1095
white#2 maxs out at 1.15 carbon. Also Hardness is crucial to performance



This is higher than any simple carbon steel available in the US market (52100 @ 1.10, Bohler k510 "Silver steel" @ 1.25 but both have lots of alloying and dont really count. w2, same)




Why is that significant?
Low alloy, high carbon allows for the finest grain structure with the proper heat treatment.

There simply isn't any other alloys to mix with the carbon and iron to form the larger more wear resistant carbides

Also, very high hardness can be achieved.

Not to say other steels don't have fine grain too when heat treated properly



This translates into an ease of sharpening few have felt in the outdoor fixed blade world. Even at 63-64hrc!

While all steels can be sharpened beyond what is possible for most,
White steel lowers the bar so everyone can experience insane levels of sharp.

The HSC Hunter is also laminated.
Its sandwiched between multiple layers of mild steel (low carbon, non-stainless steel that does not harden)
A beautiful Damascus pattern that is visible after an acid etch

This is called "suminagashi" or "Ink blot", for sharing similar appearance a popular Japanese art style.




The marriage between the two different alloys forms a symbiotic relationship that strengthens the blade without having to soften the cutting core with multiple tempers.
While the edge may chip if used haphazardly(digging holes, batoning bricks) the blade itself is very resistant to breaking and will bend rather than snapping in two like a non-laminated blade at the same hardness.

While there are stainless laminates that can bring the best of both worlds,
The mild steel is tougher then the low carbon stainless.

While tougher doesn’t translate to splitting logs in half,
We have to remember that geometry also plays a huge role in function.
The HSC Hunter is a more specialized tool with pure cutting performance in mind.
Yet durable enough for some utility uses as well.

This will be discussed in further detail later.

Harbeer forges these knives with a very traditional method taught to him by Carter.




The Rough outlines are hand forged

then cut down to shape


Also,
There is a cold forging technique that can only be performed on laminated blades that’s used for refining the grain structure. While the exact mechanisms are currently beyond my knowledge, I know that this technique has been performed by Japanese bladesmiths since before the discovery of the Americas.




Each blade is heat treated by hand with a keen eye and very careful attention to detail.

This is not a casual experience.



its intense and takes skill and experience to get correct.
Its been compare to walking a tight rope, Pure focus
That’s the level of intensity require to evenly heat the blade to the perfect color temperature.
Not more, not less.

The blades are quenched rapidly in water.

Water rapid cooling quechent but
The only way this is possible is BEFORE heating for quenching ,coating the blades in a thin layer of clay with a special mix much like the KFC original recipe :p hahaha



Without it, air bubbles would form as the hot steel is dipped in the water forming a protective layer of evaporating gas
Hence too slow bro!

With the rapid quench,

Harbeer gets the maximum amout of martensite, the finest, hardest crystal structure of steel. Which is then given a single temper to draw back the hardness to ~63-64 hrc!
Water quenching is incredibly violent.
Mono steel blades can warp and break in to two with an awful bone snap “ting!” sound.
This is where the strength of the laminated steel comes into play giving the steel resilience to breaking during the quench

Faster quench, more martensite. No breaky! haha:p

In The HSC /// hunter, maxium martensite
means the alloy is at its full potential for maximum edge keenness and sharpenabilty after tempering



While we wont get the raw wear resistance of powdered steel or even stainless steel,

The ease of sharpening is the stuff dreams are made of. :D

We’ll talk next about some bushcraft performance and less knife nerd stuff soon as well as the blade design and ergos

Thanks bros

Shawn
 
The knife has been shipped away to Jim Ankerson for more cut testing.


Shawn


Looking forward to it. :thumbup:

Will see how it chops cinderblocks, concrete and cuts nails and what happens when I find the biggest piece of knotty wood around and pound it threw it with my 8 LB Sledge...... And then get my cheater bar and see how much I can bend it before it breaks :D



J/K.... :D ROFL
 
Looking forward to it. :thumbup:

Will see how it chops cinderblocks, concrete and cuts nails and what happens when I find the biggest piece of knotty wood around and pound it threw it with my 8 LB Sledge...... And then get my cheater bar and see how much I can bend it before it breaks :D



J/K.... :D ROFL

Lol

Extreme knife testing!

Got it today, very nice blade. :) :thumbup:
Classic lines.
Great stuff guys. Looking forward to more.

Thanks bro
:thumbup:
 
Finished cutting with it.

It did very well indeed, good job. :thumbup:
 
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