Huck / BB13 Comparison

Right!? 1st world probs. :D
 
I have multiple HUCKs and 13asic 13olo's on order.

IMO i think the BB13 will be a better user and chopper because of the more weight forward design and comfy Res - C handle.

I think the HUCK will still be a fantastic user but will also flex into a bad ass piece of steel capable of decapping zombies in one swipe. This is because the full tang handle provides more balance rather than just weight forward chopping power and the more downward angled Kukri blade shape.

Both are wicked sick blades and i am personally stoked to have both on order. Can. Not. Wait. for them to arrive!
 
ExtraBaconPlease said:
I have multiple HUCKs and 13asic 13olo's on order.

IMO i think the BB13 will be a better user and chopper because of the more weight forward design and comfy Res - C handle.

I think the HUCK will still be a fantastic user but will also flex into a bad ass piece of steel capable of decapping zombies in one swipe. This is because the full tang handle provides more balance rather than just weight forward chopping power and the more downward angled Kukri blade shape.

Both are wicked sick blades and i am personally stoked to have both on order. Can. Not. Wait. for them to arrive!
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Yes, but most will forget the most important part.

Holding it above your head and shouting "By the Power of Greyskull, I Have the Power!"
 
Yeah, I'm going to be interested in comparing the Hognose War Sword, Huck Fin, 1311, and the BB-13! :eek: --- :D
 
I really wish the Hognose War Sword was INFI and legal where i live. I would of picked one up for sure. Gonna be the best chopper so far IMO...that thing is a true monster
 
Also.. the difference is in the name...the HUCK is a COMBAT KUKRI..the thing is a fighter with a secondary use as a chopper.

The BB13 is a 13asic 13eater...a true user and chopping 13east!
 
ExtraBaconPlease said:
Also.. the difference is in the name...the HUCK is a COMBAT KUKRI..the thing is a fighter with a secondary use as a chopper.

The BB13 is a 13asic 13eater...a true user and chopping 13east!
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Agreed. The Huck will weigh more but feel faster in hand due to better balance. It will also be more ergonomic for stabbing and slashing with the curved blade. The BB13 will be an epic chopper with an all day comfortable handle. It will be the ultimate camp and wood processing tool. I'll grab the huck and my AK-47 (sword) and AK-47 (slr107) for the end of the world.
 
I am grabbing my car keys and running
kcwater said:
Agreed. The Huck will weigh more but feel faster in hand due to better balance. It will also be more ergonomic for stabbing and slashing with the curved blade. The BB13 will be an epic chopper with an all day comfortable handle. It will be the ultimate camp and wood processing tool. I'll grab the huck and my AK-47 (sword) and AK-47 (slr107) for the end of the world.
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--both are awesome offerings
--Kukuries are not really designed for chopping wood; they are a fighting design. The belly is much closer to the handle and at a given weight has less mechanical advantage for chopping. The bolo design will be a superior chopper all other things (weight, grind, etc. being equal). On top of the leverage of a forward belly, the forward balance afforded by the less substantial steel in the handle will lend the basic bolo design to chopping.
--As much fun as chopping with a knife is, an axe of a given weight will always be superior for chopping hard wood in a fixed position. There is a reason that pre chainsaw lumberjacks did not use kukuries to fell redwoods. A thin light machete will be superior for cutting lush jungle foliage. Large knives will only excel in the rareish circumstances where the substance to be cut is of a mobility and consistency between fixed wood and lush green foliage... like say perhaps heavy but mobile woody vines or saplings. Having said that I am addicted to my fbmles for chopping; I will order a b13, and wish i had ordered a moabolo when I had the chance. :D
 
mach 5 said:
--both are awesome offerings
--Kukuries are not really designed for chopping wood; they are a fighting design. The belly is much closer to the handle and at a given weight has less mechanical advantage for chopping. The bolo design will be a superior chopper all other things (weight, grind, etc. being equal). On top of the leverage of a forward belly, the forward balance afforded by the less substantial steel in the handle will lend the basic bolo design to chopping.
--As much fun as chopping with a knife is, an axe of a given weight will always be superior for chopping hard wood in a fixed position. There is a reason that pre chainsaw lumberjacks did not use kukuries to fell redwoods. A thin light machete will be superior for cutting lush jungle foliage. Large knives will only excel in the rareish circumstances where the substance to be cut is of a mobility and consistency between fixed wood and lush green foliage... like say perhaps heavy but mobile woody vines or saplings. Having said that I am addicted to my fbmles for chopping; I will order a b13, and wish i had ordered a moabolo when I had the chance. :D
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Can you give a source for your Kukri theory? It seems to contradict what the vast majority of Nepalis use their Kukri for.
 
With how often I read about the ax vs chopping knife comparison here I thought I would share some info from someone who lived & worked with the pre-chainsaw era. My late Korean War vet neighbor who we are laying to rest tomorrow (R.I.P Duke) was a tree faller & log truck driver from the 50's to the 80's shared a lot of stories with me in the years I knew him. My favorites were his tales backed up by pictures of three (huge) log truck loads as compared to the 60 log loads of today where the harvested trees are 5% of the size of the old virgin growth. I will miss those stories... :(

Anyhow, despite the Paul Bunyan stereotypical myth of the ax being the favorite of tree fallers, pre-chainsaw lumberjacks had and still do use saws way more than axes, two men on a well sharpened saw or even one on a bucksaw is orders of magnitude faster than an ax, chainsaws just amplify that as one guy can do two guys work in a fraction of the time. Axes are very useful and can get the job done too, but saws are where it is at.

So, keeping in mind that an ax is not the most useful tool for the job either, a guy can see where packing a knife that can do a bunch of things an ax can't do along with those it can in a half size package starts taking the advantage lead for a typical guy out in the woods who doesn't need to fell a truckload of logs by hand. Other than splitting wood occasionally, (hydraulic splitter hooked to the tractor is way faster these days too) my most common use for an ax is as a wedge tapper to remove my chainsaw on the occasions where the saw gets stuck. Ever since my early adult life I have rarely chosen to travel the woods with an ax if I can belt or pack carry a chopping knife to leave my hands free to interact with the environment or a rifle... and packing anything bigger than a hatchet gives you a handle the size of a second rifle awkwardly sticking out to get caught on trees, brush, rocks, etc. Once folks try out both in heavy woods it quickly becomes very clear, that's how I figured it out. Imagine how hilarious it must have been for the wildlife to see some big goofy guy quasi-clotheslining himself with an ax handle across his pack catching some trees. :o So yeah, that, plus keeping an ax from falling apart at the wrong time began the twenty something year search for the ultimate woodsman's large utility knife that culminated in the BB13. :D
 
Very well said AZTimT!

The BB13 is the perfect tool for my uses and i am absolutely stoked to receive mine. For a while i thought my perfect tool would be a MOAB/MOABOLO or 1311 but i wanted the best of both worlds from those knives; The forward weight and comfy handle that Res-C offers and the perfection that is INFI steel. Jerry has brought the two together in one 13eautiful 13asic 13olo. Could not be anymore happy. Thanks Jerry and everyone that 13asically rioted for this 13ad ass 13lade!



i still wanna buy a MOAB though :p
 
I can carry a lighter weight chopper like these and a folding Bahco saw for less weight than an axe, and feel safer using them.

I have a couple of axes, don't get me wrong... but unless I'm felling pretty big trees I really don't need/want one with me most of the time.

And they're not very useful for clearing brush ;P
 
AZTimT said:
With how often I read about the ax vs chopping knife comparison here I thought I would share some info from someone who lived & worked with the pre-chainsaw era. My late Korean War vet neighbor who we are laying to rest tomorrow (R.I.P Duke) was a tree faller & log truck driver from the 50's to the 80's shared a lot of stories with me in the years I knew him. My favorites were his tales backed up by pictures of three (huge) log truck loads as compared to the 60 log loads of today where the harvested trees are 5% of the size of the old virgin growth. I will miss those stories... :(

Anyhow, despite the Paul Bunyan stereotypical myth of the ax being the favorite of tree fallers, pre-chainsaw lumberjacks had and still do use saws way more than axes, two men on a well sharpened saw or even one on a bucksaw is orders of magnitude faster than an ax, chainsaws just amplify that as one guy can do two guys work in a fraction of the time. Axes are very useful and can get the job done too, but saws are where it is at.

So, keeping in mind that an ax is not the most useful tool for the job either, a guy can see where packing a knife that can do a bunch of things an ax can't do along with those it can in a half size package starts taking the advantage lead for a typical guy out in the woods who doesn't need to fell a truckload of logs by hand. Other than splitting wood occasionally, (hydraulic splitter hooked to the tractor is way faster these days too) my most common use for an ax is as a wedge tapper to remove my chainsaw on the occasions where the saw gets stuck. Ever since my early adult life I have rarely chosen to travel the woods with an ax if I can belt or pack carry a chopping knife to leave my hands free to interact with the environment or a rifle... and packing anything bigger than a hatchet gives you a handle the size of a second rifle awkwardly sticking out to get caught on trees, brush, rocks, etc. Once folks try out both in heavy woods it quickly becomes very clear, that's how I figured it out. Imagine how hilarious it must have been for the wildlife to see some big goofy guy quasi-clotheslining himself with an ax handle across his pack catching some trees. :o So yeah, that, plus keeping an ax from falling apart at the wrong time began the twenty something year search for the ultimate woodsman's large utility knife that culminated in the BB13. :D
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Good points Tim. I will say however that I am not arguing that it makes more sense to carry an axe, or that an axe invalidates the usefulness of a large knife, but in these "which design is better for chopping" discussions, I maintain that an axe is the most efficient design for "chopping" hard wood (if we eliminate the "chopping" part I will grant you the excellent saw argument). If we use an axe as a standard, the knife design which most closely approximates an axe with all the mass and cutting edge as forward as possible relative to the overall weight, will be more efficient at chopping hard fixed wood. I think that the b13 does an excellent job at this and will be an excellent chopper for a knife; the huck deviates a bit more from this design concept and will be a slightly less efficient chopper of wood all other things being equal.
 
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mach 5 said:
Good points Tim. I will say however that I am not arguing that it makes more sense to carry an axe, or that an axe invalidates the usefulness of a large knife, but in these "which design is better for chopping" discussions, I maintain that an axe is the most efficient design for "chopping" hard wood (if we eliminate the "chopping" part I will grant you the excellent saw argument). If we use an axe as a standard, the knife design which most closely approximates an axe with all the mass and cutting edge as forward as possible relative to the overall weight, will be more efficient at chopping hard fixed wood. I think that the b13 does an excellent job at this and will be an excellent chopper for a knife; the huck deviates a bit more from this design concept and will be a slightly less efficient chopper of wood all other things being equal.
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How far away from a straight line (from the hand) is an axe edge?
How far away from a theoretical uncurved spine is the Hucks edge? How far away would be the BB13 edge?
To me the HUCK looks more like an axe in that respect.
Also the slimmer waist and wider belly of the HUCK do their thing to shift the balance point more forward like on an axe.
The full tang on the other hand might reduce that effect somewhat more or less depending on where on the handle you pivot when adding your wrist snap to the chopping motion.

Is it really only that the belly of the HUCK looks to be a bit more towards the back than the BB13? No big deal. It's placed diagonally in the picture! Rotate it until its level from tip to pommel and things will look a bit differently. Or even fairer, align the two target areas and then rotate the pictures around them until the handles are on top of each other. Preferably the pivot points where index finger and tbumb meet. Which would be a bit back on the HUCK and well on the BB13 its obvious since there isn't much choice.
 
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I love axes and knives. Some do things better than others.

That said, I like chopping sh*t with sharp objects. Logic should be thrown to the wayside and just use what you like. Im waiting for Huck's and BB13'S and both will be flat out buck rowdy. Neither will cut wood in half as well as my Stihl I'm guessing but I'm in love with the BB13'S I don't have yet.
 
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