Hunting, Trapping, Fishing and other animal gathering methods...

[Don Rearic]

Would you take fish, small and big game out of season if you had to? Poaching, basically, if you were in a survival situation.

Snagging, spearing and bowfishing game fish, Speedhooks, gill nets, snares, deadfalls and other exotic methods? Slingshots where they are illegal by law for hunting...

Just a thumbs up for doing it in a survival situation or thumbs down.

 

[Furync]

If I was in a real survival situation, and I emphasize on a REAL survival situation, I would act accordingly and deal with the legal issues when I get out of it.

I guess you could say the same for self defence, as the old saying goes... rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. (or something along those lines but you get the point)

 

[MikeH]

In a true survival situation, absolutely! Also any dog or cat that wandered by. To me, a true survival situation is by definition a life or death situation.

Just out playing at being self-sufficient, no I would not.

 

[Bushman5]

Absolutely!:thumbup:

 

[BIGSHOVEL]

Bang, gravy........

 

[Don Rearic]

OK, so we are talking about three weeks to three months depending on the individual. How long would you wait before you set up a snare or speedhook, or perhaps fishing with a line in your hand which is illegal in many places...or snagging...how long do you wait before you start doing that? What is "life threatening?" What is "immediate risk?"

 

[Planetcat]

:thumbup: I would rather have the ticket than die of starvation. Although some anti-hunting or animal activists could argue that you could go a couple of weeks w/no food as long as you had water. I wouldn't wait a couple of weeks to start finding meat - you'd never have enough energy to get yourself out of whatever jam you're in and you will never know when/where your next meal is. I personally don't like to be hungry for longer than a couple of hours.

 

[kgd]

No issue for survival.

I would set up snares or try my hand at fishing for protein probably within 24 hr. I.e. after a single forced over-nighter. In the morning, I would make a decision for what to do. Do I vacate the shelter I just used or do I try to find my way out?. Maybe I might ride it out a couple of days and hope I get discovered. It all would really depend on the situation on which decision I made. If I thought the trail was nearby I might just try to go off and figure my way out...I'd have the morning sun to fix my bearings and maybe my head was cleared enough to think things through.

If I decided to stick around and wait it out, I'd be setting up snares and fishing and making a nice comfy shelter with a constant smoky signal fire. After all, you can accomplish a lot in a couple of days of just hanging around. Better to stay busy and doing stuff to increase your comfort than stand around idle and worrying about the worst case scenario.

 

[pitdog]

No question, who'd want a headline on the obituary page saying " He died rather than get a slap on the wrist !", you gotta do what ya gotta do !!!!!

 

[dawsonbob]

There is no "season" when you're in a survival situation, just as there's no right or wrong way to take game. In a survival situation the only law is the law of survival: get yourself fed. Please note that I'm not talking about taking from others, only securing sustenance in the wild.

 

[wildmike]

I would be setting up a trap line within 48 hours.

I generaly carry enough emergency rations for 3-5 days. I would want the traps and set lines to be producing within that time frame. It often will take sev eral days to get enough snares/traps set and producing. One should never wait till weakened by hunger to start hunting ort trapping.

 

[dawsonbob]

I would be setting up a trap line within 48 hours.

I generaly carry enough emergency rations for 3-5 days. I would want the traps and set lines to be producing within that time frame. It often will take sev eral days to get enough snares/traps set and producing. One should never wait till weakened by hunger to start hunting or trapping.

Gospel.

 

[GRIM 62]

If it was hunt,trap,fish,or starve.I would opt for the first three choices.

 

[Mistwalker]

OK, so we are talking about three weeks to three months depending on the individual. How long would you wait before you set up a snare or speedhook, or perhaps fishing with a line in your hand which is illegal in many places...or snagging...how long do you wait before you start doing that? What is "life threatening?" What is "immediate risk?"

Current studies show that after 72 hours without food (which is a rough 72 hours of feeling like crap) a healthy human body will go into "survival mode" and draw off of stored energy sources within and will start feeling more energetic again and able to function pretty much as normal. In this mode the body can survive roughly 40 days without food (NOT WITHOUT WATER) without doing irreparable harm. Therefore they say that if you cannot sustain sustenance reasonably that it is much harder on the body to eat today not eat again for three days and then eat again and then repeat that cycle over and over again. It is also important to expend less energy in acquiring and preparing your food than you will gain from eating it.

With that knowledge, if I were once again in a true survival situation, if I thought it was going to be a long term thing I would start immediately upon that thought with as many means as I could think of for the area I was in while I still had my fresh stores of energy and fat to work with and then if supplies in that area became depleted move elsewhere and hope that within that 40 day window I could find and end to the situation or a steady supply of food.

 

[fnc]

Don,
I am glad you moved on to the second question, "is it bad enough to break a law?"
or some variation thereof. On this forum, that is the more important question.

I had a stomach ache and was asking the doctors if they had some stomach meds
that could fix it. They said "no", they needed to cut me open and look around. They did,
and saved my life, because I had a burst appendix and my organs were shutting down.
The above relates to the topic how?

I did not know I was very near death.

A lost hunter may not be too concerned, thinking he will find his way, and he probably
would find his way. What if, after an overnight with fire, he hikes a few hours and
sprains an ankle, still lost? Now he is in real trouble.
What if cold front with blizzard is moving his way?

Especially when your situation is compromised, you are in danger of further mishaps.
You cannot assume that your situation will not deteriorate further. In fact, many
survival situations come from a series mishaps, some of mishaps seemingly minor
at the time.

OTOH:
I took the wrong trail 50 yards back, I better eat the dog with some noodles,
and fava beans.

 

[TheGame]

There is no "season" when you're in a survival situation, just as there's no right or wrong way to take game. In a survival situation the only law is the law of survival: get yourself fed. Please note that I'm not talking about taking from others, only securing sustenance in the wild.

I agree. Season? There is no season if we need to eat, we need to eat, by ANY means.

 

[dawsonbob]

I agree. Season? There is no season if we need to eat, we need to eat, by ANY means.

And that's a fact.

 

[fnc]

1.
Therefore they say that if you cannot sustain sustenance reasonably that it is much harder on the body to eat today not eat again for three days and then eat again and then repeat that cycle over and over again.

I not sure what this means,
For example:
Would eating 1000 calories every other day be good? Or should you save it, if you can.

2.
With that knowledge, if I were once again in a true survival situation, if I thought it was going to be a long term thing I would start immediately upon that thought with as many means as I could think of for the area I was in while I still had my fresh stores of energy and fat to work with and then if supplies in that area became depleted move elsewhere and hope that within that 40 day window I could find and end to the situation or a steady supply of food.

Paraphrase:
Start food gathering before you feel the weakness. Be thorough, then move on and
repeat. I think I agree, assuming you can mover on. Mark your movements, date
the markings if possible.

 

[Mistwalker]

I not sure what this means,
For example:
Would eating 1000 calories every other day be good? Or should you save it, if you can.

I would think eating every other day with minimal exertion should be ok, I have done that more times than I care to remember. What they're saying is that it is bad to keep putting the body into "survival mode", which takes roughly 72 hours, then eating again, then back into survival mode, then eating then back into....now if you see no end to the situation and have no other choice...then you have no other choice. I think under some circumstances I would intentionally go into this mode and look for a sustainable food source.

That being said... as much as we would all like to consider ourselves civilised...true hunger is one h#ll of a stimulator and motivator. When faced with true hunger for a prolonged period of time even those with the strongest of moral and ethical beliefs can find themselves with a completely different disposition. Things one never imagined eating before can become a welcomed source of sustenance, and things one never imagined doing before may be seen in a much less sinister light.

 

[Pyre]

I'd eat a panda if it meant I'd live to see tomorrow.