Hunting, Trapping, Fishing and other animal gathering methods...

[jca21]

absolutely.

i dont take game or fish that are out of season, however, i regularly practice means of fishing that are considered to be illegal. I may get some flak for this from other members but i hand line regularly (which is illegal in bc) for fish. I also build fish traps and fish boxes to keep up with skills.


In survival, i dont think there are any rules but your own.

 

[fnc]

You are one of 2 hunters in a fly-in camp, located in a remote area.
You are not real familiar with this area or adjacent areas where other
camps or cabins may or may not exist. You hear no firearms being
discharged in the distance.

You leave camp, alone, at 07:30, At 13:00 you are lost and pulling
out your GPS unit; you see it had been boken by a recent fall. You
have map and compass but there are no landmarks, just rolling hills
of tundra.
Edit to add: Scubby aspens, willows, pines, in little bunches that
all look alike.

So map and compass may not help much.

At 14:00 you sit down to think about you situation: still lost.
At 14:15 you see a caribou, an easy shot.
Edit to add: It is legal to shoot, but much or all of the meat
could go to waste

Do you shoot it? What are your considerations?

 

[Fubarski]

No problem for me.

I'd poach whatever was handy.

Game warden would show up 5 mins later.

I'm rescued.

 

[fnc]

absolutely.
...
i hand line regularly (which is illegal in bc) for fish. I also build fish traps and fish boxes to keep up with skills.
.

What is a "hand line" and what is the rational for it being illegal,
for example compared to a rod and reel.

Do you have any revelations concerning fish traps,
like "They don't work exactly as you might expect......"

 

[mymindisamob]

:thumbup::thumbup:

 

[rzwieg]

I'd poach in a heartbeat.

If properly constructed funnel type fish traps work well especially in streams during spawning runs. With times like they are I'm sure we'll see alot more of them.

 

[jw2n]

!) Take a good look at your local game laws. The majority of them have a section governing the freedom you have if you are in a survival situation. They are pretty liberal. So discussing illegality may be moot.

2) A starvation diet happens at the 1600 calories per day intake. This is the minimum required to live over extended periods of time. Between 2250 and 2500 is considered a "healthy" daily intake. Yes, I understand that there are many factors that can impact on these numbers, but they are the general guidance.

3) When no food is consumed, the peak of discomfort happens at about the seven day mark for the average human. It is after this that metabolic shift happens.

 

[jca21]

What is a "hand line" and what is the rational for it being illegal,
for example compared to a rod and reel.

Do you have any revelations concerning fish traps,
like "They don't work exactly as you might expect......"

hand lining is simply what it is, fishing with a line in hand. usually you do this with cuban yo-yos or just some line wrapped around a can or a square of wood. i have no clue as to why its illegal for regular joe to use one. first nations people are allowed to hand line i believe.


Regarding the fish traps. Again, havent looked into why its illegal, i was just told so by the fisheries officer. Unless i am fishing as a commercial fisherman i can't use nets or box traps is what he told me. I stated i was doing it merely to work on bushcraft/survival skills and intended to release my catch but he still told me to remove my trap out of the water. He let me off with a warning as i was doing it for "educational" purposes and told me not to let him catch me again.


I still hand line and make fix traps from time to time, i just do it in places where there are less people.

 

[dartanyon]

I'm guessing cannibalism is against the law ... plane crash in the mountains waiting for rescue and the only way to survive is to eat non-survivors ... live or die?
A question I hope no one has to ever face. Sort of puts the original thread into perspective, me thinks.
Yep ... i'd eat a protected animal to survive if there was no other option.

 

[fnc]

I'm guessing cannibalism is against the law ...
Yep ... i'd eat a protected animal to survive if there was no other option.

So, would you eat the Game Warden that arrived to give you a ticket?

 

[ratamahatta]

yeah I'd do it, hell around here people shoot deer out of season!!!!!

 

[mtwarden]

!) Take a good look at your local game laws. The majority of them have a section governing the freedom you have if you are in a survival situation. They are pretty liberal. So discussing illegality may be moot.

I think almost every state has a similar regulation, Montana's reads like so:

87-3-129. Exception in cases of extreme hunger. When it is shown that any violation of the provisions of this title was for the purpose of preventing great suffering by hunger of any person which could not otherwise have been avoided, the provisions of this title shall not apply to the case.

this doesn't grant any exceptions for "practice", that would be greatly frowned upon

No problem for me.

I'd poach whatever was handy.

Game warden would show up 5 mins later.

I'm rescued.

 

[BWSkipper]

Yes if I had to poach to eat I would without regard to laws.

If I was in a 'survival' type situtation I'd be more than glad to have the possum sheriff haul me out of the woods for breaking the laws.

If I was just out practicing my poaching skills to keep them sharp I'd expect the possum sheriff to fine me for doing it if I got caught.

Maybe I'm totally misunderstanding the question here. Seems a world of difference to me between poaching and doing what I had to do to live. Kinda like the line between murder and self defence I reckon.

 

[wildmike]

Fnc. I'd shoot the caribou. Then I'd build a smoking rack and smoke and jerk every bit of it I could.

 

[Don Rearic]

Fish and Game Laws are quite serious in most places. Where I live, they can take the boat, trailer and vehicle used to pull the trailer and boat if you take game fish out of season or in some illegal manner or you exceed the limit allowed by law. Likewise for small and large game. So, we're talking about confiscatory rules, regulations, policies and laws that can make you forfeit tens of thousands of dollars in vehicles and other personal possessions in the vehicle, etc.

If you are camping and have a camping trailer and you poach, likewise, you can lose everything. You will still be responsible for those payments as well.

In some areas, you cannot even possess a snare or gill net. There are so many ways to look at this and I appreciate everyone's responses.

 

[dawsonbob]

Fish and Game Laws are quite serious in most places. Where I live, they can take the boat, trailer and vehicle used to pull the trailer and boat if you take game fish out of season or in some illegal manner or you exceed the limit allowed by law. Likewise for small and large game. So, we're talking about confiscatory rules, regulations, policies and laws that can make you forfeit tens of thousands of dollars in vehicles and other personal possessions in the vehicle, etc.

If you are camping and have a camping trailer and you poach, likewise, you can lose everything. You will still be responsible for those payments as well.

In some areas, you cannot even possess a snare or gill net. There are so many ways to look at this and I appreciate everyone's responses.

In a true survival situation those things are not even a consideration. The only thing to be considered is "how do I stay alive?" All the legal mumbo-jumbo isn't even on the radar. Do what you have to do to stay alive, and worry about the law later. Even if they throw you in prison, it's better than starving to death in the wilderness; at least they'll be feeding you three meals a day.

 

[wildmike]

In Washington state where I live. You are allowed to do whatever you need to survive in a survival situation. However you may be required to prove it was indeed a true survival situation. Many other jurisdictions also have such a reasonable view. Unfortunately some don't. I'd recomend checking with both the local fish & game officials and a lawyer to get the scoop wherever your at.

 

[fnc]

Fnc. I'd shoot the caribou. Then I'd build a smoking rack and smoke and jerk every bit of it I could.

BINGO !! Ding Ding Ding.

On the planned hunt, when the hunter became lost, it would be legal to kill the caribou,
but would it be wise. Would it distract the hunter from finding his base camp? Maybe.
Would it buy time for finding base camp? Yes.

It would provide a nice gut pile which might attract a bear. More meat?
Probably attract birds. Put guts on a hill top, in and near some scrub trees.
It will attract birds; the birds will perch in the trees and might be noticed.

It might be illegal to jerk the meat; in some states, you cannot even bone the meat
while in the field. You need evidence of sex etc.

 

[Don Rearic]

I'm not trying to discourage anyone. I'm enjoying the light being cast on being an outlaw.

It's all situational, isn't it?

 

[dartanyon]

I wonder how many cases in court are the poacher trying to get off on a survival plea?