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1234 said:
Google translated.
"Cattle in the foreign forum finally see the Chinese people, ah! Nice to meet you"

Explain what you mean by "cattle" ?

1234,,,:cool:
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Wow that made me laugh. We are what we eat I guess
 
jill jackson said:
It's been hurting the economy a long time, but the USA based manufacturers have taken the technology overseas to make nearly everything we use. All in the name of cheap labor and we've voted for it with our money. So, it goes much deeper than fake knives.
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roughedges said:
The Applegate Fairbarn. It's been copied by, or given inspiration to, probably dozens of other makers/companies from countries all over the world. In my opinion, that is not nearly the same thing as those companies which copy a knife down to the logo. One is outright theft and the other, at least as I see it, is a slippery slope. There is nothing new under the sun and all of that.
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Agreed, Rex applegate designed that knife over 20 years ago and many many makers utilize a variation of the design.
 
Karda said:
Notice where 72% of all foreign counterfeit commodities come from...........
Don't think it hurting the economy?...sadly mistaken.
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well its not really surprising. When you take into consideration Its the largest manufacturer of pretty much any tangible good you can think of and they have the highest population per square mile of darn near anywhere your bound to get a large percentage of anything. And really is it their fault for what they do? Again here we go with the argument that if there was no demand there would be no supply. Now, considering so many americans feel the need to buy countefeit goods, and so many americans sell them. I wonder how many incomes would be lost if all counterfeit goods ceased in and instant. Ill tell you it would be a lot more than you would think. Because its not just flea markets or swap meets. It also depends on what you think is a counterfeit. If its an exact replica but without company logos then a lot of US Produced goods would get the axe too. It aint right but people act like china is the only one doing it. And the numbers are deceiving given the size, population and sheer amount of exporting that country does. Id like to see which country has the most illegal business to legit ratio.
 
PURPLEDC said:
Agreed, Rex applegate designed that knife over 20 years ago and many many makers utilize a variation of the design.
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Over 70 years ago. :)


I buy American when I can, but I won't let that stop me from buying a knife that I like. Or owning a computer. Or any other number of quality goods that come out of China amidst all the junk that is also produced. I dislike counterfeits and exact reproductions as much as anyone else, and truly understand that it hurts American companies and the economy as a whole, but the trend here lately seems to be towards dragging through the mud, giving the third degree, pick a cliche, any Chinese knife company that produces a knife that looks anything like one already in production. The same could be done to any number of non-Chinese companies and, unless they are directly ripping off designs, it would be wrong.

We opened Pandora's Box (so to speak) when we shipped so much of our manufacturing to China that we became essentially unable to supply ourselves. So now, at least in my opinion, it is up to us to make the Chinese knife companies realize that we want to see the creativity and quality products that such an ancient civilization with a history of fine craftsmanship can produce, and not just cheap knock offs.
 
And I wonder how many jobs would be saved in the USA if we didn't buy this stuff. But, it's too late isn't it?
 
jill jackson said:
And I wonder how many jobs would be saved in the USA if we didn't buy this stuff. But, it's too late isn't it?
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I think there is a good chance it will come back around, at least to some extent, eventually, but it would probably venture to far into the political to explain why I think that is a good possibility. In any event, hope remained behind once Pandora opened that durn box. :)
 
Hmmmm. I could be wrong, but it seems to me we just got through discussing this in another thread. If the conversation starts up again in this thread, then I suspect this thread will go the way of the last one . . . slowly sinking to the bottom. And if my perception is correct, it may take a few souls along with it this time.

Just sayin' . . .
 
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jill jackson said:
And I wonder how many jobs would be saved in the USA if we didn't buy this stuff. But, it's too late isn't it?
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now we cant be so hasty. Im not speaking of true counterfeits but about chinese knives in general. In the case of knifemakers in the USA like kershaw, gerber and at one time benchmade (they still do for harley davidson) they outsource to china to have lower cost knives made that cant be produced in the USA for a certain price point. I know what your thinking, "well they should just stop making them and only produce in the USA". But we sometimes forget that USA base companies are hurting just as much as we are. If we arent spending lots of money, they arent making lots of money. And without them having low price entry level products then they are losing revenue. Revenue that is probably helping keep that company afloat. Even ernest emerson has supposedly outsourced his multitool to china. Probably to increase the profit margins and keep his USA production still going while luxury items like knives arent selling well. So when we sit here and say, I wonder how many USA jobs would be saved if we didnt buy it, think about how many other USA jobs would get lost if we didnt buy the chinese products USA based companies have built in china. Its easy to look at it as "we lost jobs" But if we want companies like Kai, emerson, benchmade and spyderco to keep making USA made goods. We have to accept that they will need to increase profit margins. And that means shaking hands with china.


bld522 said:
Hmmmm. I could be wrong, but it seems to me we just got through discussing this in another thread. If the conversation starts up again in this thread, then I suspect this thread will go the way of the last one . . . slowly sinking to the bottom. And if my perception is correct, it may take a few souls along with it this time.

Just sayin' . . .
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the real irony is that the issue was actually addressed again by those who ended the last thread. Me thinks this funny. But I promise, im done.........in this thread.
 
Yep. It's real easy to spot some folks' agendas, all right.

The entire issue of counterfeits/knockoffs/fakes is EXTREMELY SENSITIVE. And the fact that the Mods were willing to let the last thread go 16 pages before shutting it down is a real tribute to their patience and understanding. No, I don't believe that condoning and supporting those who produce counterfeits/knockoffs/fakes should be tolerated. But neither do I believe that we, as the largest knife forum extant, can afford to hide our collective head in the sand and pretend they don't exist. This is just one more area where the Mods will have to continue performing a delicate balancing act. And they have my respect for being willing to take on difficult issues like this one. Talk about a thankless job . . .
 
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Knives made in China are fine.
Counterfeit knives made there are not.

And that's all I have to say about that.:cool:
 
stabman said:
Knives made in China are fine.
Counterfeit knives made there are not.

And that's all I have to say about that.:cool:
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This 100%...

I'm not sure why folks keep praising the fakes/copies/counterfeits on how good they look. :foot::confused:

Just buy the real thing!
 
jill jackson said:
And I wonder how many jobs would be saved in the USA if we didn't buy this stuff. But, it's too late isn't it?
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Way too late... ;)

It's been going on for a very long time now, that and the outsourcing have taken their toll.....
 
PURPLEDC said:
I tried

I didnt see anyone praise any of the copies for looking good. In fact i remember most people stating they were crap simply by looking at them.
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I see that you missed Reasoned1's post above then as well as others on previous pages. I do agree completely with your second sentence though...


h0080D942
 
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Czechmate said:
I see that you missed Reasoned1's post above then as well as others on previous pages. I do agree completely with your second sentence though...


h0080D942
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Still i dont know what is worse. People who think they know the quality of an item is bad without handling it or using it, or those who will recommend a product and say it is good without holding it or using it. Both too prevalent in the knife world.
 
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