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I'm new, not a collector; I am a cyclist and camper. I used to think that Spydercos were ugly. I thought that until I was given the subject of my enquiry. Since then I purchased a Delica 4 FRN to accompany me and the custom camping knife I had made years ago. The custom has an Oosik handle, simple design, straight and serrated blade, and the butt extends beyond the Oosik handle to allow hammering. The Delica 4 is the perfect folder for me, for camping. It's light. May sound silly, but when you're sixty-four, and riding a century with fifty pounds in your panniers, weight is important - even the fractions. I now see that Spydercos, most, at least, are among the most beautiful knives made.

Enough digression.

The knife given to me, by another cyclist, is all stainless, handle, blade. The blade says "SEKI-CITY" and "Japan" on the clip side; it says "SPYDERCO" and "ATS-55" on the front side. Open it is 5 inches long, closed 3 inches; the blade is 2 inches long, handle, of course, 3 inches. The handle is curve, with rounded butt. It looks like the CoPilot that came out in the eighties but I can't, haven't so far, find a picture of a CoPilot without serrated blade?

Did Spyderco make an all stainless CoPilot with a straight edge blade? Is there a CoPilot with FRN handle.

There are other Spyderco knives that I plan to buy for special circumstances, but my mainstays will be, if possible, CoPilot and Delica with FRN handles for camping, and CoPilot and Delica 4 all stainless for when in town. I had used two folders - whose names I'll not answer - for camping that I know now are not safe to operate. I told my lady that I was going to sell them. She asked, if you believe them unsafe, is it moral to sell them to others? I had to agree. She is smarter, wiser, and more ethical; beautiful. I plan to give her the same four knives. She is also a cyclist/camper. She also sails so I plan to add one of the Salts. I smashed the unsafe knives and put them in the trash. I will be all Spyderco, even in my kitchen, from now on. I use professional cookware. My old knives inherited from mother are ready for retirement; I will replace them with Spydercos.

Where can I find pictures of all, or most, of the Spyderco models, versions?

I did a search, but after 20 minutes gave up. Why didn't someone pull my coat about Spyderco knives earlier?
 
saint satin stain said:
... Did Spyderco make an all stainless CoPilot with a straight edge blade? Is there a CoPilot with FRN handle...
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Hi,

Zen already gave you the best link in web for an overview of Spydies!

To my best knowlede:

No, there isn't a CoPilote with FRN handle.

C09 CoPilot, stainless steel handle, produced 1987-2001, ATS-55 steel blade from 1998-2001 (former years with GIN-1 and early CoPilots have brass liners = rare CoPilot), blades were available in plain + serrated.

C09SATU CoPilot, tufram coated aluminium handle, 1994 (I never saw this model, data from the catalog), serrated blade and I suppose with GIN-1 steel blade

C09BKP CoPilote, black almite coated aluminium handle, 2006 - Sprintrun, VG-10 steel blade in plain
 
zenheretic and peter1960 thank you. The Delica and the CoPilot are great knives.
I have found in their catalogue several knives to fit niches in my life. Does Spyderco make custom knives?
 
That depends on how custom you want, and how much you have to spend :D

In general, no. They do not have a custom shop. They can do custom laser etching for a personal touch. They have done some pretty short sprint runs, meaning there may only be 400 of a model in the whole world. And Sal does listen to what we want and respond. There is a sprint run of pink Delica4s coming soon that is a response to forum request, which is pretty custom for some of us :D And I think the upcoming StretchII that Sal built to suit himself will almost qualify as custom - I plan to rob as many banks as necessary to get a couple.;)
 
Yes, it is a CoPilot.

I have just looked through the models and maybe there's not a need for a custom knife. Every niche in knife-dom, if not everyone, for me seems to be filled. As a I poet I took an involuntary vow of poverty, so will have to buy a knife a month until I have every knife I need. Then I suppose I'll have to begin the process again to buy backups.
I am not a collector; I can't afford to be a collector. I am a user. May I use you folk? I admit, I'm an ignorant user. I thought Spyderco knives were ugly until on a bicycle tour I lost a knife and a fellow cyclist. a relative, gave me the CoPilot. It was 2000, 2001(?). He had other Spydercos. I guess he gave me the little one 'cause the bigger ones he felt closer to or that he needed. Gradually my feeling about the knife changed. It is easy to open, even with my big hands. It's easy to carry. It doesn't scare lil old ladies. It fits with the custom camping/survival knife that I carry touring. I also needed a bigger knife, one between the c/s knife and the CoPilot, and the Delica fills that. I will buy another Delica 4 and Copilot. The CoPilot is good for rope, cord, and string cutting. Know one better?

I plan to take advantage of you folk, impose on you, for help in selecting knives until I have the requisite knowledge. I'm a quick study.

I will buy three each of LBK - LadyBug and LBKII - LadyBug II to put one each in the two small Otter box emergency kits and one for my minimalist pocket kit. So that is decided.

I learned in service that all you really need is a knife and a way to make fire; everything else is easier to make with these as the base. I carry a knife, firestarter (ones issued to military pilots and spec ops; imagine a friction lighter without the fuel containment, smaller in diameter than a pencil.), flint and steel (the old-fashion kind), and tinder in pocket size plastic bottle which will now include the Ladybug II. Minimalist survival kit I carry in my pocket. Minimum to have with you in this time of crazy politicians and sheepish electorate.

See, I am preparing to travel one more time across country by bike in three years. I'll be 67. I begin preparations now. Last time I did it was 25 years ago. My lady and I are old now, she's two years older; this the last time we probably will be able to do it.

This is a partial list of what I need.

0. The general criteria: Light, but strong; easy to clean, care for; easy to carry; may be opened and used by both hands; hold an edge; easy to distinguish in the dark; legal in most states, either have clearly recognized utilitarian use or four inch blade or less. States had to legalize knife use by the Boy Scouts, farmers, hunters, campers et al.
I am in the process of reading law concerning knives in all of north America.

1. knife resistant to rust as its strongest virtue. Tasman Salt, Salt I? Other?

2. emergency knife to cut through seatbelts and other restraints easily, quickly. During bike tours last forty years I have come on accidents, including fisherman entangled, underwater, in his net. WTC Rescue? D’Allara Rescue? Assist Rescue? Rescue Jr.?

3. knife to carry in my first aid kit; it must be capable of being sterilized. This is in addition to the field surgical kit in the medic bag I carry for first aid. 'Nam vets know the bag. My lady is an MD, a pediatrician.

4. a backup survival/camping knife, a fixed (is that the nomenclature?)and combo serrated and straight edge. The Beat, Swick or Vagabond?

5. General purpose, sturdy, and, yes, pretty for in town and when wearing a suit and tie (seldom); one which will not scare the natives of pc America too much. Dyad Jr, Dyad, Micro Dyad Jigged Bone, or Spydercard?

6. Something similar to the CoPilot with FRN handle. Harpy / Merlin? Dragonfly?

7. Small fixed blade. Spot, Ronin,

8. User friendly knife sharpener kit for straight and serrated edges. Capable of being used by one hand would be a plus, but not necessary.

9. Good set of tools to adjust, maintain, and clean the knives. Recommended lubrication for the knives. AND portable way to carry all this on bicycle.

10. Any thing I missed.

11. Good, simple, martial knife. Fixed or folder. One suited to Hapkido orientation.

Yeah, I know, any knife may be used as a weapon, but I don't think of knives as weapons any more than I think of hammers as weapons. A ball peen hammer makes a mighty fine weapon, a much more user-friendly one than a knife. Invention of the knife is up there with the wheel, bicycle, and personal computer.

My present knowledge is limited to martial uses. Impractical for the most probable emergencies. This is probably the longest post I'll do. It is an indication of my extreme ignorance. Forgive the selfishness.
 
Not a problem, as long as you don't expect coherent, point-by-point answers :D

Suggestion number one: Find a fixed blade Temperance, preferably serrated, and buy that puppy. That should take care of about half your requirements. It is an excellent fighting knife disguised as an excellent camp knife. Not too heavy, VG-10 steel, it will pierce and slice with the best of them. It isn't an axe or crowbar, but it would cover a lot of other bases.

The Dragonfly would be a good FRN substitute for your CoPilot. Small, light and friendly looking, I carry one all the time.

The Military or Paramilitary should fit your 0 criteria well. The Military has a four inch blade, which can be a problem in some places. The Paramilitary is approximately three inch blade, with a large handle which I find quite comfortable. Either will be available in S30V blade steel and G-10 handle, which leaves very little maintenence needed.

Any of the Salt series will cover the base for rustproof. If you pick the right one, it will easily cover the rescue knife criteria as well. The D'Allara Rescue is a great knife, but the bulk and weight make it less than ideal for your use.

Do they make other sharpeners than the Sharpmaker? :D
Well, yes, and I carry them around with me. DMT makes many models of Diafold diamond sharpeners. I carry a couple of double sided models - Extra Coarse/Coarse and Fine/Extra fine - that let me restore a razor edge on the plain edge blades no mater how badly I've damaged them, anywhere I am. They also make a Diafold serration sharpener to take care of the rest. The Sharpmaker is nicely portable and easier to master if you are not an old time freehand sharpener like me.
 
Thank you yablanowitz. I will begin searching for your suggestions. I looked over the current crop of knives and tentatively put some on my list to ask here some opinions. I am currently studying knife construction, steels, shapes, and manufacture, but I am years behind. Please use the nomenclature. If I don't know it I go look it up. I won't learn as fast if you talk down to my level, raise me to yourn.

You have confirmed my selection of the Dragonfly. I just found a place with the Temperance in another tab (browser: K-Ninja); its Blade Length is 4 7/16"and I don't believe it's a problem. The name is peaceful sounding, The names Para-military and Military, according to my reading of some several states' case law, might cause a problem when I tell the authorities or court that it is a camping knife not a war knife.
I'm getting one Ladybug to put in emergency kit, an Otter box 4 12 X 3" X 1 1/2. In it I have Fire Starter Aviation Survival Sparklite, tinder, wire saw, fishing line, hooks, float, needle, thread, stainless steel signal mirror now soon a small blade-Ladybug. The Ladybug perfect for this small emergency kit that I always have with me. It fits in a coat pocket or trouser pocket. Plus I usally carry the Delica 4 and CoPilot (soon to be replaced for my daily carry by the Dragonfly).

The Assist I FRN ~ C79BK and the Atlantic Salt Black FRN ~ C89BK are emergency knives, but the Atlantic Salt has the advantage of simplicity. The Assist has a carbide point to break windows. You squeeze the closed knife tighter and the carbide tip protrudes. It's too much to malfunction, besides my survival knife
- Paula custom - K.C.Largin (Kelgin)
length overall 9 1/2"
blade length 4 9/16"
cutting edge 4 1/2, mixed plain edge and serrated
blade thickness 3/16"
handle length 4 1/2",
7/16" steel butt juts past handle end as hammer******
handle material Oosik, fossilized walrus penile bone
weight 1/2 lb -
can break a car window. You can see it's a monster.
Are the Largins still in business? I'll google.

I choose the Atlantic Salt; it is an emergency knife, blunt end, and rust-proof. The Salt I is basically the Delica 4 but rust-proof.
So the Atlantic Salt and Salt I for wet knives.
The Atlantic Salt all the time in my Medic bag or pocket.

So down to the Temperance or Bill Moran Drop Point~FB02. Which one? I like the look of the Moran and the specs, but the Temperance edges it out. Temperance about the same length as Paula-Largin but less than half the weight. One heavy knife is enough since I will carry all with me on trips, except the CoPilot.

Bill Moran Drop Point~FB02
length overall 8 1/16" (205 mm)
blade length 3 7/8" (99 mm)
blade steel VG-10
length closed N/A (N/A)
cutting edge 3 3/8" (86 mm)
weight 3 oz (84 g)
hole diameter N/A (N/A)
blade thickness 1/8" (3 mm)
handle material FRN

Temperance
# Blade Steel: VG-10
# Blade Thickness: 5/32"
# Case/Sheath: Kydex Sheath
# Diam. Blade Hole NA
# Edge Type: PlainEdge, SpyderEdge*
# Handle Material: Fiberglass Reinforced Nylon
# Hardness 59-60
# Length Blade: 4 7/16"
# Length Closed NA
# Length Cutting Edge: 4 3/32"
# Length Overall: 8 7/16"
# Weight: 5 3/8

You are right about the Temperance and it costs less. The Moran has plain edge. I'll get the Temperance serrated. "It isn't an axe or crowbar" you said about the Temperance; the Paula-Largin is a hatchet in knife clothing, and it cuts like a knife too, plus with the butt end jut of steel you can pry. I have hammered and pried with it for over a decade and it still looks good. The Paula-Largin's blade for chopping and the Temperance for finer cuts; its a good duo.

yablanowitz thanks, your suggestions saved me some time and brain-sweat, and money.

Here's is what I will get

Atlantic Salt FRN
Dragonfly FRN
Salt I FRN
Ladybug
Temperance
Sharpmaker

What do you think of the knife selection, yablanowitz? I know that you approve of Dragonfly and Temperance. zenheretic? Peter1960? I thank you gents for the help and suggestions. This is the first non-computer forum I've joined. I am a poet



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weatherly way worldly naive
wear your weapon no war intend
belief its love the latent talent

(from my new book end last year in Anglo-Saxon prosody)



but I earn butter for my bread setting up and securing simple networks sometimes.

I checked out the SpyderSaw, but my Leatherman wave has a saw; there is a wire saw in the emergency kit. I believe that this selection satisfies my road needs.
 
saint satin stain,
Welcome to Spyderco! It sounds as if you are off to an excellent start! You are definitely in good hands - our members are an awesome resource.

You may want to keep your eyes out for our new Duckfoot sharpener in the byrd line. It is a bit more mobile than the Sharpmaker, but based on the same principles. It will be coming soon with an instructional book and DVD. The DVD is similar to the DVD that comes with the Sharpmaker, Sal will show you how to use the Duckfoot.

Of course, I would still recommend a Sharpmaker, but the Duckfoot might be a little easier on your ride across the country.

Take care!

Kristi
 
tazkristi said:
You may want to keep your eyes out for our new Duckfoot sharpener in the byrd line. It is a bit more mobile than the Sharpmaker, but based on the same principles.
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Ehh? First I've heard of this! Sounds interesting!
 
tazkristi, thank you. I will wait for the other knife sharpener to come out. Perhaps get both, one for travel and one for home. I should go to Liberal, eh yablanowitz, to learn free-hand.
The folk here have been wonderful, in more ways than just the responses to my posts. They made me feel welcome.
What is the recommended lubricant for Spyderco knives?

I have a knife with an Oosik handle. One person said use Coconut oil on the handle; another person said use the oil from the outside of my nose or forehead. I have basically done nothing. The person who said use my body oil said, oh the oil from your hands has kept the Oosik handle maintained.

Oh, I have lots of questions that need answers, and some are silly.

Yom Bet, 17th Shevat, 5767
 
It looks to me like you have found a good selection of knives, without overloading your bike. Glad to be of some little help ;)

Oddly enough, the Military model was designed for all the NON-combat chores that soldiers run into in the field. It could be used for a weapon, but it is a great food prep knife/camp knife, not really intended as a weapon. After all, soldiers have rifles for that part, but just try to open an MRE with one. :D

If your route across the country should bring you to this little town, look me up! I'd love to chat. My girlfriend has a huge and well forrested back yard which she has allowed bicycle campers to use before. :thumbup:
 
I will just throw out some Spydercos that you should look into for your wants. If possible, try and handle them in person before you buy.

Combo edge Manix (full size)
Yellow Pacific Salt SE is my choice but PE if you prefer.
Carbon Fiber Military. This is a great knife.
Centofante 4. I love this knife more than any other knife of it's size.
Dragonfly PE
 
the Military model was designed for all the NON-combat chores that soldiers run into in the field. It could be used for a weapon, but it is a great food prep knife/camp knife, not really intended as a weapon.
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It's not the intention, the true purpose, that matters to some enforcement, judicial, and intelligence authorities, but their narrow bureaucratic perception of it.
According to some case law, the judicial interpretation of the statutes, the name may indicate that it is for war. It may not be logical, but that is the decision obtained in some state courts. The name swayed the juries and or the judge that a knife was for some nefarious scheme.

I and lady will someday pedal through Liberal and take you and lady up on the campsite. I will put Military on my tentative want list. I like the way it looks; I have to hold it.

kgriggs8 your suggestion sent me back to my list and effected some changes in it. Two of you agree about the Military. I do like it.
I'll cut my beer ration this year. Centofante I don't like for utilitarian, but i'll keep in brain as a Want. I like the Salts yellow; I like the emergency ones yellow.

Atlantic Salt FRN wet and emergency
Dragonfly FRN
Ladybug
Temperance
Military black CE
Pacific Salt Yellow FRN ~ PE wet

So Atlantic to Pacific.

The total travel weight is still under 2 pounds.

Are there companies that make folder sheaths or other ways of carrying folders? Including customs carry bags, cases, sheaths? Remember I travel by bicycle.

I have a suggestion for Spyderco about an emergency knife. The problem I see with the Assist I is the added complexity.

In the closed position, squeeze the blade deeper into the handle and a retractable carbide tip protrudes out from the base for breaking glass. Outlined in safety orange on the handle's spine is a shrill and attention-pitched survival whistle.
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The Assist should be a fixed, one piece of steel, no moving parts, blade serrated with a blunt tip, with a tip to break windows on butt end; it would be connected to the sheath by stainless steel chain or some strong material. The whistle feature in the handle portion of the knife in orange. It would be simple, less likely to malfunction.

Who do I talk to about this idea. Best survival knives don't have moving parts. That would apply to emergency knives too. The only payment that I want for the idea is that I get what non-knife maker collaborators get, and I select the name, with suggestions from kgriggs8, yablanowitz, Th232, tazkristi, zenheretic, and Peter1960, and that we all get two free.

One thing you learn on the road as a cycle tourist is that simple is best. I know that the "Paula-KCLargin" and the Temperance are the more dependable knives, and the "Paula" with the thicker blade the most dependable. The folders less so because of complexity.

I used to take a laptop with me on trips until I realized that I only played solitaire and didn't use it for e-mail until I was at my destination. On the road I write with a pencil.
So I put OpenOffice, AbiWord, Portable Thunderbird, Firefox, and Opera, Gaim, Sunbird, ClamWin and other portable utilities on a 2 gig usb drive and bought a deck of cards.
 
saint satin stain said:
I have a suggestion for Spyderco about an emergency knife. The problem I see with the Assist I is the added complexity.

The Assist should be a fixed, one piece of steel, no moving parts, blade serrated with a blunt tip, with a tip to break windows on butt end; it would be connected to the sheath by stainless steel chain or some strong material. The whistle feature in the handle portion of the knife in orange. It would be simple, less likely to malfunction.
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Hmm... so convert the Assist to a fixed blade? I do agree, it would be more reliable that way, but respectfully, I believe that there would be less places you could legally carry it, if it was made into a fixed blade. Admittedly, a LEO with some sense would probably let it slide, but I wouldn't want to try it.

Out of curiosity, why isn't the orange or some similarly bright colour?
 
What I love about the Military is the light weight coupled with the full flat grind blade. It is plenty strong without being bulky or heavy, which is why I would suggest it for your purposes. It is also designed to be operated wearing gloves.

If I had to defend myself with a knife, I would much rather do so with the Temperance than the Military. No moving parts to worry about, no lock to fail and an easier name to defend when you get hauled in for felony intent to commit self-defense (which is how it seems to work these days).

If you look around on these forums, there are a number of people who make Kydex sheaths for folders, including but not limited to vertical and horizontal belt sheaths and neck sheaths. I know several people on the forums swear by the neck sheath as a way to keep a knife handy even without pockets or belt. I'll bet if you asked, someone could make you one that would clip to the handlebars or frame of your bike.

The primary reasons for the folding emergency/rescue knives are actually quite simple: 1) Spyderco's first knives were folders, so that is the main market share. Sal has said none of the fixed blades have been a commercial success yet, it is a tough market to crack when you are famous for folders. 2) Save and Serve professionals already carry a LOT of stuff around, so they need a knife that doesn't take up a lot of room. It is easier to find a place to stow a 9" overall knife that folds to under 5" than a 9" overall knife that becomes 10" when you put it back in the sheath. If I came upon an accident and had to break out a window, I'd be more likely to use my Leatherman Wave as a hammer to do the job than messing with anything else anyway.;)
 
Th232, the Assist does not have a sharp point so that when you cut the seat belt you don't stab the victim. Take a looksee at the Assist, no point. The police, the courts would not mind it. The serrated cutting blade would be about the same length as the folder. The steel should be H1 steel.
yablanowitz and all the Military and the Dragonfly will be the first knives that I will get. Next month a couple more, and on until I have all that I need; then I will buy a spare each month of the knives for backup. These spares will be left at home.
The primary reasons for the folding emergency/rescue knives are actually quite simple: 1) Spyderco's first knives were folders, so that is the main market share. Sal has said none of the fixed blades have been a commercial success yet, it is a tough market to crack when you are famous for folders. 2) Save and Serve professionals already carry a LOT of stuff around, so they need a knife that doesn't take up a lot of room. It is easier to find a place to stow a 9" overall knife that folds to under 5" than a 9" overall knife that becomes 10" when you put it back in the sheath.
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I can understand about fixed versus folders.
Weight is not necessarily the problem; it is the amount of space fixed blades occupy.
More important consideration, most folk don't spend much time in the boonies; they go to jobs, work 9 to 5, and spend most time in town or home. Folders are more acceptable in that milieu. I wear a fixed sometimes in town, even in New York City, and it gets stares sometimes. Fixed blades may appear more threatening than folders. Plus with the Spydercos only the clip is visible.

If you travel by bus through Atlanta note that knives, all knives, even tiny knives, including Leatherman blades, are forbidden in the bus station there; that may be the case in some other cities. In Atlanta I was given the choice of shipping my knives or leaving the station. I shipped. Since that event I keep knives in rucksack and pockets without clips showing.- clip in shirt pocket. Folk should know, especially enforcement and judicial, that the only knives designed for martial use are daggers and swords, possibly switchblades. None of the pros I met in service or since would use a switchblade or any beyond a simple folder. It is the perceptions of people who don't live on farms, don't hunt, hike, or fish, don't collect knives, who associate knives with muggings and robberies, that we have to contend with in this society. And if you don't do much of anything during the day you may not see the need for a knife. I use a knife several times a day during uneventful times; but when active I use a knife many times a day. Letter opener. String cutter. Package opener. Fish gutter. Bread slicer. (I getting the Yin and Yang for the kitchen.). Meat cutter. and jus' whittlin'.
I would carry my imagined fixed Assist in a velcro attached pouch on the seat tube.. I believe that it is not entirely original idea. There is a similar instrument advertised for cars, but it does not use H1, have a serrrated blade, and is not a knife. When I carry my rucksack, traveling by foot or train, sometimes plane, I keep the fixed blades in an outside pocket, and water bottle in the opposite pocket. On a trip I'd carry Delica 2, Dragonfly, Military, Atlantic and Pacific, Temperance, and KCLargin Paula, and, of course, the Ladybug in my emergency, pocketsize, Otter box; I have to include the Leatherman Wave and Squirt. These are under my two pound limit. Beyond two or three fixed knives you would have a problem. You could probably carry a dozen folders without a problem.

A blade and flint and steel
the minimum one should always have with them always when practical.

I know that I will be p____d if I'm in a plane crash and survive, my survival tools will be in the cargo hold of the plane.

Which knife was your first knife? Which Spyderco was your first Spyderco?

Of the ones that plan to buy I had decided to get the Military and Dragonfly first, but that was based on my druthers. Practically I should get the Salts and Ladybug first, then the Military and Dragonfly second, finally the Temperance.

Do you folk plan your purchases for utilitarian reasons, which knives you should acquire, or are you collectors buying the pretty knives? But I note that you did not recommend knives which might fit the 'pretty knives' category.

I plan to write about knives in my blog. I am going too far afield here. Next week I am giving myself a present, a subscription here. This board has value beyond being a collection of knife collectors. I am particularly interested in Knife Maker's Forums and Tactics & Training.

I use five browsers, each is assigned a different home page reflecting my interests: K-Meleon my Google page, cycling news, and gmail; Internet Explorer my blog, hotmail, and MSN pages; Opera, my Myway pages, general news and enquiry; Mozilla Firefox, health and tech, my Yahoo pages and email. The fifth browser, K-Ninja, was unassigned until now. This forum is the homepage for K-Ninja.
I use the internet as an external hard drive.
Why aren't there women here? Are any of you women or girls. some of you obviously guys.
 
saint satin stain said:
Th232, the Assist does not have a sharp point so that when you cut the seat belt you don't stab the victim. Take a looksee at the Assist, no point. The police, the courts would not mind it. The serrated cutting blade would be about the same length as the folder. The steel should be H1 steel.
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Yes, it doesn't have a point, but that still doesn't disqualify it as a knife. Sheepsfoot blades are still blades, and thus are still knives. Besides, any lawyer who goes to the page will see the first sentence, "Spyderco named this knife after its principal job function, to Assist".

saint satin stain said:
Do you folk plan your purchases for utilitarian reasons, which knives you should acquire, or are you collectors buying the pretty knives? But I note that you did not recommend knives which might fit the 'pretty knives' category.
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I purchase some for their usefulness, and others for their rarity. In my case, the two usually overlap.

saint satin stain said:
Why aren't there women here? Are any of you women or girls. some of you obviously guys.
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Oh, there are some females here. TazKristi, one of the mods here is female. TheKnifeCollector is as well.
 
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