I believe it's a CoPilot, but may be wrong

Th232
do you, and the rest of y'all, have pictures of your collections online. I suppose that you have some Spydercos not in the current catalogue?

I'd like you to tell me of some of the classic Spyderco knives which may not be offered in the catalogue. I may buy some of the 'rare' ones if they also have utilitarian value, especially more than current models.
 
saint satin stain said:
Th232
do you, and the rest of y'all, have pictures of your collections online. I suppose that you have some Spydercos not in the current catalogue?

I'd like you to tell me of some of the classic Spyderco knives which may not be offered in the catalogue. I may buy some of the 'rare' ones if they also have utilitarian value, especially more than current models.
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My collection is pitiful, but...

http://www.ted.tweakdsl.nl/spyderco/spyderco.html

has pictures of every model (and links to variants of said models). Classic Spydies not in catalogue (my opinion):

Worker
Dyad and Dyad Jr
Bob Lum
Calypso
Calypso Jr
Massad Ayoob
Bob Lum Chinese Folder
Gunting
Lil' Temp
Spyderhawk
Dodo
Temperance

Probably quite a few that I've missed, but those are (IMHO) the classics that are no longer produced.
 
I don't have pictures of all of my knives, but there are a few posted here and on the Spyderco factory forum if you wanted to search for them.

I am not a collector, I am an accumulator :D . The knives I buy are intended for use. The few that I haven't carried at least a little are duplicates (what I call pre-need replacements) that will be called upon when I lose/break/wear out one that I am carrying.

Discontinued classics worth searching for:
C39P&S Dyad Jr. and C44P&S Dyad - two-blade wonders that give you the best of both worlds, PE and SE.
Lil' Temp Leaf blade or Trailing point - feels too light to be as strong as it is.
Temperance FB - You've already looked into this one.
G-10 Police - Full flat grind, warm grippy handle, mid-back lock, max blade length for the handle, I don't understand why these didn't sell like hotcakes. Just make sure the 4 1/4" blade is legal where you are (it isn't here :mad: )

There are doubtless others, but these are some that I am familiar with and feel could be of utility value to you.
 
D'Allara Drop Point, awesome; it fits as if custom made. It was easy to open it quickly the first time, no practice needed. D'Allara blade thick. It feels comfortable, controlled. It is a good companion to my Paua Largin which I found out that she made only one or two similar. So the D'Allara and Atlantic Salt are the two I got this month. Now I have the Spyderco D'Allara, Atlantic Salt, Delica 4, and CoPilot. From my research I found that there are several versions of the CoPilot. Here are the details: it is five inches long open, blade two inches, handle, stainless steel, is three inches long, the cutting edge is one and eleven-sixteenths inches and is plain edge of ATS-55 stainless steel. It has spyder design on the clip; on the clip side the blade has "SEKI-CITY" and "JAPAN," and the front side has the "ATS-55." So according to Peter1960, it appears that I have
C09 CoPilot, stainless steel handle, produced 1987-2001, ATS-55 steel blade from 1998-2001
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So mine was made sometime between 1998 and 2001, eh? If it is a collectors item, even so, it will get used. I don't collect knives.
When I am in town my daiily carry will be the D'Allara, Delica, and Atlantic Salt. I'm gonna get the CoPilot engraved with my name and some design and carry it when I dress up and for occasions in which larger knives are inappropriate. The Salt I will carry daily and I'll check here for some kind of sheath for it; the D'Allara and Delica I'll carry clipped to my pocket or in a sheath. I am thinking of a shoulder holster type sheath which can carryfour folders and can be affixed to a belt too.
Which do you like best the Military or the D'Allara?
 
I like the DDP, but it is just too wide when closed to be comfortable for pants pocket carry for me (I carry a lot of stuff in my pockets). As a result, it has been relegated to outside coat pocket carry. Overall, the narrower closed profile and full flat ground blade elevate the Military above the D'Allara in my opinion.
 
y I know what you mean. I used to carry the Delica and CoPilor in my right pocket; so I figured that I would do the same with the D' and the Delica. These two make a bulky load. I am carrying them though until I find a solution. Next month I get the Military. I have the main knives in the D', Delica, and Atlantic Salt; although I will probably travel with half a dozen or more knives. I figure to get the sharpening kit too next month.
The D'Allara may be a useful defensive knife too; its butt sturdy enough for a striking weapon and a strong blade. I had been considering the Civilian, but it really is more narrow in uses than the Military (hypothesis) or the D'Allara. What remains on my list to get: Dragonfly, Ladybug, Military, and another, yellow this time, Atlantic Salt. The yellow Atlantic Salt is for my wife; she's the sailor in the family. The Temperance, well, still on the list, but I'm wavering. Do I need two fixed blades in the woods. Wouldn't I best serve the purpose by carrying the D' and/or the Military.

My Paula Largin has a 4 9/16" blade, the Temperance 4 7/16" and it doesn't fold. The Temperance duplicates the negatives of a fixed (space, need for sheath) without adding more positives. It is a good knife, it seems. I looked around the Spyderco site and found the Vagabond with a 3 1/8" blade and the sheath is part of the handle. The overall length of the Vagabond is 7 7/8", the Temperance 8 7/16", and my Paula Largin 9 1/2". So it seems that the Vagabond gives me a fixed for finer cutting; it takes less space. Think of the Paula Largin as a 'hatchet' knife and you see that the vagabond is best for my collection of utilitarian knives. Even though the Military and the D'Allara fill the same niche, sort of, I want both since they're folders. For practical purposes I don't need another fixed. But I prepare for the unlikely day my main fixed breaks and all the folders malfunction. Backup systems. Similarly i carry an extra front and rear Derailleur gears and duplicate other critical parts. I can use the Vagabond for preparing meals without the worry of cleaning a folder mechanism of food particles. As far as blade, the Vagabond gives me 3 1/8", the D'Allara 3 1/2", the Military 4", (the Temperance 4 7/16"), and my Paula Largin 4 9/16"; so with the Vagabond and D'Allara I have a fixed and folder with blades about the same length, so similar the Military and Paula Largin. I may get the Temperance and leave it home, a spare.
 
yablanowitz, I am searching for the serrated blade Temperance, but I have bought these: D'Allara Drop Point, D'Allara Rescue, Atlantic Salt (which I gave to my lady because she is the sailor; the D'Allara Rescue is my emergency knife for now. I'll get another Atlantic Salt for myself later.), and a Ladybug with serrated sheepsfoot blade. I plan to buy 2 more Ladybugs. I use the present one in an emergency kit, in a small Otter box, with a wire saw, fishing gear, signal mirror, magnesium block with flint, Aviation survival sparklite firestarter, needle and thread, and another cheap, but strong, flat bladed knife to use as steel striker for the flint and magnesium (tinder) block. Central to an emergency kit is blade and fire. I plan to buy a Temperance. I read a review of it. The reviewer said that it takes an excellent edge, can be used as a kitchen knife, and as a weapon. I considered the Spyderco Vagabond, but later decided no. The attached 'sheath' sounds good, but I can see that it could break - a separate sheath is less likely to malfunction.

You didn't recommend the D'Allara Rescue; it is heavier and bulkier than the D'Allara Drop Point. But I decided to get it. I decided to accept the extra weight because of its cutting and its strength. I decided against the Dragonfly because I like the size and feel of the Delica 4; the Delica is my smaller knife, except for future Ladybugs, for carry. Plus the two D'Allaras look good together. I confess to straying from utilitarian considerations, though not far.

I will get Para-Military. The D'Allara Drop Point and the Para-Military, plus the Delica are good carrying knives for the boonies. The Delica I will carry in town and the Co-Pilot as a money clip as a backup.
So I have to get the Para-Military, the Temperance, and another Ladybug with serrated sheepsfoot blade. Thank you, yablanowitz, even though I go beyond by getting the D'Allara Rescue.
 
It's your load to carry :D
I like the D'Allara Rescue, but it is a chunk to carry. Maybe I'm just a wimp ;)
I only have one Temperance, and it is plain edge. Great knife all around, and I have a lot less trouble keeping a PE sharp. I only suggested the SE to cover the possibilty of needing to cut free-hanging wet poly rope, which can be difficult with a plain edge. Of course, I've never had to do that in the nearly fifty years I've been around, but you never know...

Congratulations on your purchases so far!:D
 
saint satin stain said:
Th232, the Assist does not have a sharp point so that when you cut the seat belt you don't stab the victim. Take a looksee at the Assist, no point. The police, the courts would not mind it. The serrated cutting blade would be about the same length as the folder. The steel should be H1 steel.

Police in my jurisdiction would charge you with CCW for carrying a concealed sheath knife. Heck an open box cutter in a sheath under your coat is CCW. If you had a fixed blade exposed it would be Inducing Panic. Don't even get me started on serrrated knife perception. I have often wondered where people who carry fixed blade knives go. Farm or Field is about it for non police in Ohio. IMHO it is not worth the risk. Here is a good one.......I CAN carry a pistol with a CCW permit in my city but I CANNOT legally carry a fixed blade knife.

I would go with the Pacific Salt knives with yellow handles and non serrations for all of your on-person traveling knives. Sharp, easy to maintain, easy to see if you drop, and any cop can see them from across the room. It also does not have much of a point so would do decent double duty as a rescue knife. If you have a fixed blade it should be in a pack on your bike, not readily accessible if you are crossing jurisdictions IMO. I still think you ought to have a Victorinox swiss army knife with you though. Those tweezers, scissors, and thin keen blades are hard to beat for splinters, blisters, and minor "surgery". A Victorinox Classic would be very useful and is very tiny, I would attach one of the little LED lites too it as well. Happy hunting.
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yablanowitz, I carry a shoulder bag I had custom made to carry first aid kit, The Universal Survival Handbookby David A. Nuttle, and emergency kit. The emergency and first aid kits are in Otter boxes; the bag has four pockets to carry knives with clips or other stuff. I carry the D'Allara Drop Poin and D'Allara Rescue in the bag. I carry the Delica 4 clipped in right pocket and the Ladybug in watch pocket. Some places I carry all knives in the bag, except for the Ladybug (or sometimes the Co-Pilot), or at least both D'Allara knives.
messer454, I carry my fixed blade in my panniers, if by bike, and pack, if by foot. I only have it on me at campsites. Sometimes attached to outside of front right pannier.

Folk are so weird about knives. I get asked, why do you carry a knife; I got this question more when I lived in NYC all year round. In Alabama more folk carry them.

I carry a Leatherman Wave as my Swiss army; it has scissors, strong scissors, and other utilitarian tools, including a saw, diamond file, two blades, one a sheepsfoot(another emergency blade). Around my neck or attached to belt, I carry my keys, a little LED light, and the Leatherman Squirt.

I plan to get the yellow Atlantic Salt. I got one black Atlantic Salt for my lady. She's a sailor and a doctor. Should've gotten the yellow AS.
Daily away from home I carry the D'Allara Drop Point and Rescue knives in the shoulder bag, the Delica 4 and Ladybug sheepsfoot in my right pocket. The butts of the D'Allaras are strong striking surfaces for combat; that is another reason that I chose the D'Allaras. Use both ends of the knife as one would use a stick.

Future buys: yellow Atlantic Salt, Temperance, serrated blade, The Assist, Dyad or Dyad Jr. (good general knife for around town and not carry the others), Tasman Salt, and maybe the Bob Lum and Dragonfly.

What are some of the earlier models. I've discovered some in other shops.
 
May I suggest one knife you didn't mention?

If I were to go on a trip like that I'd take a Calypso Jr., in my opinion (despite the Calypso 3) still one of the best knives Spyderco ever made. It's not a heavy duty knife but one that works extremely well for food preparation and so on because of its amazing geometry.

Hans
 
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