I Bought The Best ZT Knife I Have Ever Owned!

[ErocSD]

I've sold only 2 out of 30 ZTs that I've ever bought.

A 0450 G10 Sprint because it was "too small" and a 0456 because it was "too big" and fat. That leaves me w/28. I also tried to sell an 0900 because I also felt that it was "too small" but I'm glad that it did not sell and that it's still in my collection.

I have an 0450cf that is a really nice knife for slacks or other occasions where a knife clipped on my Jean's isn't appropriate. That and the action is one of the smoothest actions I own. 0920 is the smoothest Surprisingly and the blade is bigger so go figure. I've never held a 0900, I'll have to look for own of those.

 

[brando555]

I've sold only 2 out of 30 ZTs that I've ever bought.

A 0450 G10 Sprint because it was "too small" and a 0456 because it was "too big" and fat. That leaves me w/28. I also tried to sell an 0900 because I also felt that it was "too small" but I'm glad that it did not sell and that it's still in my collection.

Did you ever try the 0456CF? I actually like the CF but I agree with the Ti 0456, it's just too bulky.

 

[sgt1372]

I have an 0450cf that is a really nice knife for slacks or other occasions where a knife clipped on my Jean's isn't appropriate. That and the action is one of the smoothest actions I own. 0920 is the smoothest Surprisingly and the blade is bigger so go figure. I've never held a 0900, I'll have to look for own of those.

I've got a lot of other "gentleman" type knives and the 0450 just didn't fit in terms of how I viewed my ZT collection.

Nice knife but it's just a poor imitation of 0452 to me. I'd rather own more 0452's, which is why I've got 2 (a CF and G10 M390 Rose/Gold Sprint) and may buy another 0452 variation as well. The closest to the 0450 that I still have in my collection in terms of size are the 0750 and 0780 but those are more tactically designed weapons that are unique in their own right.

I'm still conflicted about the 0900 because it still doesn't match well w/the other knives in my ZT collection.

I have a preference for larger knives and it's far smaller in overall size than most of the other ZTs that I own. On the other hand, the shortness blade and handle are offset by the wider blade and thicker handle, which fits really well in the hand but still slips easily in and out of my pocket. I carried it for a few days and liked it. I may still try to sell (or trade) it but for now it's remaining in the collection.

Did you ever try the 0456CF? I actually like the CF but I agree with the Ti 0456, it's just too bulky.

I've held the 0456CF. It's lighter but the size/shape of the blade & handle on both the 0456 & 0456CF is basically the same and stylistically they don't fit in my collection of ZTs any better than the 0450 does.

For me, they just were NOT the best ZTs that I have ever owned.

 

[sgt1372]

Sorry. Dup post deleted.

 

[ErocSD]

I've got a lot of other "gentleman" type knives and the 0450 just didn't fit in terms of how I viewed my ZT collection.

Nice knife but it's just a poor imitation of 0452 to me. I'd rather own more 0452's, which is why I've got 2 (a CF and M390 rose/gold sprint) and may buy another 0452 variation as well. The closest to the 0450 that I still have in my collection in terms of size are the 0750 and 0780 but those are more tactically designed weapons that are unique in their own right.

I'm still conflicted about the 0900 because it still doesn't match well w/the other knives in my ZT collection.

I have a preference for larger knives and it's far smaller in overall size than most of the other ZTs that I own. On the other hand, the shortness blade and handle are offset by the wider blade and thicker handle, which fits really well in the hand but still slips easily in and out of my pocket. I carried it for a few days and liked it. I may still try to sell (or trade) it but for now it's remaining in the collection.

I've held the 0456CF. It's lighter but the size/shape of the blade & handle on both the 0456 & 0456CF is basically the same and stylistically they don't fit in my collection of ZTs any better than the 0450 does.

For me, they just were NOT the best ZTs that I have ever owned.

Great point, 0452 is a really well balanced blade for its size.

 

[Sonnydaze]

I've yet to find a ZT that I don't like, although my least favorite is the 0456 because of the weight. 6.5 oz feels like a brick when you're used to carrying something that weighs 4-5 oz. I may sell it, or see if I can get the scales milled out.

I bought two 456's...sold 'em both...love 'em, but too darned heavy to mess with, and I gave up thinking about modding it lighter.
I've owned "many" ZT's and only have kept one...a limited release 0770 M390 CF that's actually too short for me to carry, but I admire its flipping action. BTW, I bought two XM-18's yrs ago, the 3.5" and the 3" slicer grind....paid in the mid-700's for each of them...sold them again two wks later... What a BRICK!

 

[rpn]

Congrats OP. My 0562 is an all black sprint and I love mine too. It's almost everything I want in a folder. I'll pick up the cf version at some point as well.

 

[Steely_Gunz]

The 0456 is a bit of a dark horse in my collection. I bought one and felt a pretty sharp pang of buyers remorse. Really chunky, really heavy. I always felt the clip was too weak for such a heavy knife.

But dang it if it's not one of the most useful blades in my ZT collection. Sweet spot in terms of blade length, great shape for general chores, locks up super tight, full THICK titanium slabs. Probably the most tank for your buck.

I always sway more toward the big over-engineered ZTs. Unfortunately, I'm in the minority as they tend to kill them off. The irony is that I figured all the cons I listed against the 0456 would have killed it the first year. Here is is still chugging along with a cf version fixing a lot of the problems with the knife.

That said, I'm still jazzed with the 303 I picked up a couple weeks ago. I think I'm past the honeymoon phase. I have no hunger for another ZT until they release a fixed blade or a big 300-series relative.

 

[palonej]

Excellent knife!

 

[KVT]

Ahh, there he is KVT..... the White knight gallops in to defend RHK once again. I knew I couldn't have an opinion with out him showing up to bash me again. It's been a while since the last time you personally attacked me over a opinion on RHK. How's life going bud? Bored again I see.

I don't owe you an explanation but I'm going to give you one anyways since it's clear you have nothing better to do than attack me and this tirade won't stop unless I address it head on.

I work Commercial HVAC construction and use my working blades very heavily, I'm 230 lbs and I often have to use my weight and my blade for prying and opening things. I also own nice blades for the weekend with my friends and wife, More of a dress style Gentlemens EDC folder. I use knives daily for many mundane tasks from breaking down boxes to opening mail and around the yard all the way to hard use. Different knives for different jobs...... basically I drink IPA and Jameson during the week and whistlepig & Islay scotch neat on the weekends. I expect my working blades to be able to take a beating and perform and my nicer blades to have great fit & finish yet still perform.

I broke a Kershaw recently and it almost hurt me really bad, I was lucky to say the least. Since that time I have been looking for a more sturdy work knife. Having a family of Marines, first responders (CHP) and federal agents (CBP) I have held many an XM 18 and the consensus we have all come to was "Meh"..... Heavy and pivot action was mediocre at best. Once again this only an opinion, that we all as a family of hunters, LEO and Construction workers all have came to on our own. If you don't agree with that opinion that is fine but don't attack me for mine.

I wanted to check out the XM18 3.5 Gen 6 since it was supposed to fix the problems of the older versions, I figured it's worth a shot. I did my research and found over 10 reviews of bad QC, blade play, blade grinds all very recent....No I'm not going to list them all for you, just google XM18 gen 6 review and start reading. Since I just don't have the pleasure of being independently wealthy I like to do my research before dropping $500 on a knife. I also had some unforeseen purchases come up and now have a brand new Z71 and lots of California legal Large capacity magazines to show for it. I am also in the market for a new Duckgun before July and an A400 isn't cheap.

While researching the Gen 6 XM18 I came across a few different experiences where someone had left a negative comment of RHK on a forum being viciously attacked by an angry crowd of crazy RHK fans all the way up to even RHK himself and his staff. So to my surprise when I read my last of 10 reviews for the Gen XM18 here on Bladeforums and the QC was mediocre once again I decided not to purchase one at that time. I was personally attacked by you and other members as well.... validating all I had read online. I ended up buying a DPX Hest for work and a very limited edition Micarta Lambert Crossroads for about the same price as one XM18 gen 6. I may end up with a gen 6 someday but with the way I have seen the horde act and the reviews of QC I am not the first in line... not sure why that bothers you so much.

So before you fly off the handle calling me a keyboard warrior while yourself being a Keyboard warrior, I figured I'd fill you in a little bit. I use my knives and expect them to work well and come from the factory ready to work. My weekend knives like Reate and Liong mah and Lamberts all came perfect from day one and some of them cost less than RHK. Either way I'm perfectly entitled to my opinion and since you want to continue to arm chair commando me be forewarned I don't need a knife I can bedazzle with fancy hardware and custom plates, I need a knife that I can trust my hands and eyes to daily. Maybe I misunderstood what the RHK brand was all about and it's just a marketing ploy, this whole first responder thing, when they're really just pocket bling with a heavy blade.

If you want to sponsor a Gen 6 for me and let me rock it for a few months I'll give a true account of my experience, otherwise mind your own.

LOL @ wall o text

That’s great and fine if you have differing opinions about things. Everybody does and the world would be a sad place with no opinions.
The problem comes when you attempt to speak with authority, over and over, with no personal experience on the subject matter. You simply recycle things you’ve heard, even twist that information a little more towards your agenda, ignore facts, then regurgitate it out in multiple threads whenever the subject comes up.

Until you can hold multiple examples of 0562s in one hand and multiple examples of Gen6 XM-18 3.5s in the other, and make an honest comparison instead of talking out your ass, then your opinions don’t matter and you’re just spreading mis-information. That’s what I and others take issue with. If it was purely something subjective like looks, weight etc, no problem. To each their own.
If you don’t feel like dropping $425 on a Hinderer, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.
That though, exempts you from spreading mis-information about said Hinderer. Then you wonder why you get called out on it.

 

[KVT]

I may not know what I'm talking about BUT I know what I like.

I sold a Gen 6 XM-18 3.0 Slicer because it was "too small" and I did not think it was any better than the 7 ZT/Hinderer's that I already owned - a 0550, 551, 0560, 0562 G10, 0562 CF, 0566 G10 & 0566 CF.

No doubt the XMs are excellent knives but personally I think they are over-rated and over-priced. You can buy 2-3 ZTs for the price of one XM18. They are all well made and will function as well as any XM for a fraction of the price. There's no question which represents the better value.

Not quite a “fraction” of the price.
XM-18s are $425, ZTs new prices are $260-$280. That’s not 2-3 ZTs for 1 XM...
When new ZTs could be had all day for under $200 the spread was much greater.
But yeah, ZTs offer an awesome bang for the buck, and they are the most consistently well-built knives I’ve ever owned, by far.
I’ve only had one ZT bad out of the box out of the 50+ that have come and gone. Nearly every example has been perfect.
That’s impressive with the amount of knives ZT makes - their QC is insanely good.
Arguably the best in the industry. KAI’s customer service is arguable the best in the industry.
When you spend the money for a ZT, you know you’re getting your money’s worth.

 

[ErocSD]

LOL @ wall o text

That’s great and fine if you have differing opinions about things. Everybody does and the world would be a sad place with no opinions.
The problem comes when you attempt to speak with authority, over and over, with no personal experience on the subject matter. You simply recycle things you’ve heard, even twist that information a little more towards your agenda, ignore facts, then regurgitate it out in multiple threads whenever the subject comes up.
Until you can hold multiple examples of 0562s in one hand and multiple examples of Gen6 XM-18 3.5s in the other, and make an honest comparison instead of talking out your ass, then your opinions don’t matter and you’re just spreading mis-information. That’s what I and others take issue with. If it was purely something subjective like looks, weight etc, no problem. To each their own.
If you don’t feel like dropping $425 on a Hinderer, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.
That though, exempts you from spreading mis-information about said Hinderer. Then you wonder why you get called out on it.

Why do I always feel like I'm arguing gun rights with a liberal when I read your responses?? It's like you don't even listen and just then start making up your version of events to suit your agenda. You never called me out on anything, just talked trash like a highschool teenage girl when someone made fun of your favorite musician Justin Bieber.
If you read my wall of text; What actually happened was I read the final review of the Gen 6 XM18, I decided not to purchase an XM18 as my next knife, which is what I was deciding at that time.... that's when the barrage of personal insults and mocking began. I never said whether I owned any XM's in the past or anything other than that. Nice try but you're wrong. You attacked me for not loving your favored brand of knife plain and simple. Take some responsibility. someone, potentially you even, went to the extent of creating a 2nd account and then trolling me... that is the caliber of people we're dealing with here, but I'm "talking out my ass".

I do have personal experience with the subject matter, I have held many XM18's, as I stated, just not a new gen 6, which I also stated. I've also held a few 0562's even bought one and sold it to friend who owns a door contracting business. Nothing was being hidden here, you were just making a lot of assumptions. Seems to me like you're not reading and just responding in spite.
Quoting someone that had an experience similar to my own is not "Recycling things I've heard" It's called relating. Please tell me what facts I ignored, so far all I have heard is conjecture. I also have no agenda, I truly could care less, however the consistent attacks from you in multiple threads show a pretty clear agenda.

So you're also saying unless someone owns multiples of said knives, what is that 3 of each knife comparing, they are now spreading mis-information. Well do you own three 0562's? I'm not even sure you own three XM18's.... so it sounds like you're not even qualified to give an honest comparison here by your own rules... and the vast majority of this forum doesn't own multiples of each knife they are comparing. They have more than likely handled them a few times, possibly owned them then sold them quickly.... which is pretty much where I'm at on this experience, I simply shared my experience, never claiming to be a professional or own multiples..... so much spreading of mis-information is right, you're trying to put words in my mouth. I was simply sharing my personal experience with the models I came across, they just didn't include the Gen 6.... I'm pretty sure that's not recycling things I've heard.
Sounds to me like your little agenda has run it's course, and I'm over it... see you around next time you decide to talk trash unwarranted. Why don't you go buy some new purple hardware for your XM18 and stop trying to find fault in everything I say.

 

[Huntnow]

I've got a lot of other "gentleman" type knives and the 0450 just didn't fit in terms of how I viewed my ZT collection.

Nice knife but it's just a poor imitation of 0452 to me. I'd rather own more 0452's, which is why I've got 2 (a CF and G10 M390 Rose/Gold Sprint) and may buy another 0452 variation as well. The closest to the 0450 that I still have in my collection in terms of size are the 0750 and 0780 but those are more tactically designed weapons that are unique in their own right.

I'm still conflicted about the 0900 because it still doesn't match well w/the other knives in my ZT collection.

I have a preference for larger knives and it's far smaller in overall size than most of the other ZTs that I own. On the other hand, the shortness blade and handle are offset by the wider blade and thicker handle, which fits really well in the hand but still slips easily in and out of my pocket. I carried it for a few days and liked it. I may still try to sell (or trade) it but for now it's remaining in the collection.

I've held the 0456CF. It's lighter but the size/shape of the blade & handle on both the 0456 & 0456CF is basically the same and stylistically they don't fit in my collection of ZTs any better than the 0450 does.

For me, they just were NOT the best ZTs that I have ever owned.

I feel the same way about the 0900. I’ve come close to selling mine several times and still haven’t. Every time I carry and/or use it, I appreciate it all over again. It packs a big punch for a small knife and feels indestructable.

 

[sgt1372]

Why do I always feel like I'm arguing gun rights with a liberal when I read your responses?? It's like you don't even listen and just then start making up your version of events to suit your agenda. You never called me out on anything, just talked trash like a highschool teenage girl when someone made fun of your favorite musician Justin Bieber.
If you read my wall of text; What actually happened was I read the final review of the Gen 6 XM18, I decided not to purchase an XM18 as my next knife, which is what I was deciding at that time.... that's when the barrage of personal insults and mocking began. I never said whether I owned any XM's in the past or anything other than that. Nice try but you're wrong. You attacked me for not loving your favored brand of knife plain and simple. Take some responsibility. someone, potentially you even, went to the extent of creating a 2nd account and then trolling me... that is the caliber of people we're dealing with here, but I'm "talking out my ass".

I do have personal experience with the subject matter, I have held many XM18's, as I stated, just not a new gen 6, which I also stated. I've also held a few 0562's even bought one and sold it to friend who owns a door contracting business. Nothing was being hidden here, you were just making a lot of assumptions. Seems to me like you're not reading and just responding in spite.
Quoting someone that had an experience similar to my own is not "Recycling things I've heard" It's called relating. Please tell me what facts I ignored, so far all I have heard is conjecture. I also have no agenda, I truly could care less, however the consistent attacks from you in multiple threads show a pretty clear agenda.

So you're also saying unless someone owns multiples of said knives, what is that 3 of each knife comparing, they are now spreading mis-information. Well do you own three 0562's? I'm not even sure you own three XM18's.... so it sounds like you're not even qualified to give an honest comparison here by your own rules... and the vast majority of this forum doesn't own multiples of each knife they are comparing. They have more than likely handled them a few times, possibly owned them then sold them quickly.... which is pretty much where I'm at on this experience, I simply shared my experience, never claiming to be a professional or own multiples..... so much spreading of mis-information is right, you're trying to put words in my mouth. I was simply sharing my personal experience with the models I came across, they just didn't include the Gen 6.... I'm pretty sure that's not recycling things I've heard.
Sounds to me like your little agenda has run it's course, and I'm over it... see you around next time you decide to talk trash unwarranted. Why don't you go buy some new purple hardware for your XM18 and stop trying to find fault in everything I say.

I thought about sending you a PM about his but thought it would be better viewed in public.

I know it's easy for certain people to get your "goat" online. That's the objective of some; they're trolls. Don't let them get to you. You can easily "ignore" such people from your universe in BF; I've done it to a few already. What you don't see and read, can't bother you. It's just not that important.

Just let it go.

 

[ErocSD]

I thought about sending you a PM about his but thought it would be better viewed in public.

I know it's easy for certain people to get your "goat" online. That's the objective of some; they're trolls. Don't let them get to you. You can easily "ignore" such people from your universe in BF; I've done it to a few already. What you don't see and read, can't bother you. It's just not that important.

Just let it go.

Thanks man, good looking out. I wasn't aware of that option until now.

 

[KVT]

Wow you're dense.

Why do I always feel like I'm arguing gun rights with a liberal when I read your responses?? It's like you don't even listen and just then start making up your version of events to suit your agenda. You never called me out on anything, just talked trash like a highschool teenage girl when someone made fun of your favorite musician Justin Bieber.

You don't know me. I think you're seriously confused, honestly. Maybe you are a liberal gun control activist? The only personal attacks are coming from you, over and over, above is just a few of many examples. So, again you're contradicting yourself.

If you read my wall of text; What actually happened was I read the final review of the Gen 6 XM18, I decided not to purchase an XM18 as my next knife, which is what I was deciding at that time.... that's when the barrage of personal insults and mocking began. I never said whether I owned any XM's in the past or anything other than that. Nice try but you're wrong. You attacked me for not loving your favored brand of knife plain and simple. Take some responsibility.

No attacks, no personal insults, just called you out. You need a thicker skin or something. What you are doing are personal attacks, and pretty lame ones. Teenage girl? Justin Beiber? Liberal gun rights? Really? I have many favorite brands, and many knives and honestly I don't care what brand it happens to be - just happened to be Hinderer this time, I'll call you out if you continue the "I've never owned or touched one but I've heard this and that a few times so they suck and so do their owners" dialogue, I'll call you out.

someone, potentially you even, went to the extent of creating a 2nd account and then trolling me... that is the caliber of people we're dealing with here, but I'm "talking out my ass".

Nope - definitely wasn't me, but that was pretty funny!
The term "talking out your ass" means making authoritative statements as fact, when you have zero experience, self-admittedly by the way, with the subject matter. You've never owned or handled a Gen6 Hinderer, yet you've made and continue making all sorts of BS, unfounded statements about them.

I do have personal experience with the subject matter, I have held many XM18's, as I stated, just not a new gen 6, which I also stated.

Yet you continue the blanket statements about all Hinderers and Hinderer owners, bring up old reviewers opinions from years ago that were publicly reversed about the Gen6 etc.

I've also held a few 0562's even bought one and sold it to friend who owns a door contracting business. Nothing was being hidden here, you were just making a lot of assumptions. Seems to me like you're not reading and just responding in spite.
Quoting someone that had an experience similar to my own is not "Recycling things I've heard" It's called relating. Please tell me what facts I ignored, so far all I have heard is conjecture. I also have no agenda, I truly could care less, however the consistent attacks from you in multiple threads show a pretty clear agenda.

Hinderer came up in this thread, you bashed it as you usually do (and their owners), made blanket statements, quoted reviewers old opinions to somehow prove or help your opinion (and it backfired), made an uninformed and invalid comparison of ZT and Hinderer and you got called out on it again. And of course threw in all the personal attacks because that's all you have. Relating assumes you've both been through the same experience - you hadn't.

So you're also saying unless someone owns multiples of said knives, what is that 3 of each knife comparing, they are now spreading mis-information.

Never said 3 of anything - you're making stuff up again. I said "multiples" if you're going to speak with any authority. I had a bad 0470 out of the box. Does that mean all 0470s, all ZTs and their owners suck? Nope. The 0470 I got in exchange is perfect - excellent knife. Sample sizes. Pretty basic concepts here if you're going to attempt to make blanket statements and speak with authority. Personal sample sizes, personal experience, personal ownership and use - not some crap I heard and repeated from somebody on the internet.

Well do you own three 0562's? I'm not even sure you own three XM18's.... so it sounds like you're not even qualified to give an honest comparison here by your own rules... and the vast majority of this forum doesn't own multiples of each knife they are comparing. They have more than likely handled them a few times, possibly owned them then sold them quickly.... which is pretty much where I'm at on this experience, I simply shared my experience, never claiming to be a professional or own multiples..... so much spreading of mis-information is right, you're trying to put words in my mouth. I was simply sharing my personal experience with the models I came across, they just didn't include the Gen 6.... I'm pretty sure that's not recycling things I've heard.

Again, where's this 3 coming from? Have had 4 0562s, currently have an 0562CF and an 0562TI. Currently have 8 Gen6/Tri-way Hinderers. Tons of other knives.

Sounds to me like your little agenda has run it's course, and I'm over it... see you around next time you decide to talk trash unwarranted.

My agenda is calling out BS and the spread of mis-information. It's far from over - especially if you keep posting. I wish you wer over it, but sadly you'll probably continue this or the mods will shut it down.

Why don't you go buy some new purple hardware for your XM18 and stop trying to find fault in everything I say.

LOL!
I'm good on purple hardware, but I will post these pictures for you since you mentioned it! Enjoy the purple!

 

[KVT]

I thought about sending you a PM about his but thought it would be better viewed in public.

I know it's easy for certain people to get your "goat" online. That's the objective of some; they're trolls. Don't let them get to you. You can easily "ignore" such people from your universe in BF; I've done it to a few already. What you don't see and read, can't bother you. It's just not that important.

Just let it go.

If you're talking about me, there's no trolling here. Calling a spade a spade.

 

[sgt1372]

Thanks man, good looking out. I wasn't aware of that option until now.

Yeah, just click on his icon and click on "ignore." Refresh the page and he's gone.

He just started trying to attack me too. I just "ignored" him and he's gone. Simple as that.

What is it they say?

The worst thing you can do to someone is not "hate" them because that gives them too much importance; hate is just the opposite of love.

The worst thing you can do to someone is to IGNORE them and treat them w/indifference, as though they don't exist and that nothing that they say or do matters in the least bit.

Just ignore him and it will be as though he doesn't exist.

 

[KVT]

Yeah, just click on his icon and click on "ignore." Refresh the page and he's gone.

He just started trying to attack me too. I just "ignored" him and he's gone. Simple as that.

Oh wow, please link and show me and others this attack. Really, please do.
LOL!!!!!

 

[knarfeng]

You people need to focus on the knives and not on each other.
Further derailments of the thread are not acceptable.