I expected a better fit & finish from an Emerson.

Titanium actually deforms before it wears and "grips" the contact point on lock face in a way that steel wont.
I personally see this as an advantage in a lock on top of the lack of weight and corrosian.
 
Haze said:
Titanium actually deforms before it wears and "grips" the contact point on lock face in a way that steel wont.
I personally see this as an advantage in a lock on top of the lack of weight and corrosian.
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I've read this as well. The added grip would result in greater lock security.
 
I hope you are right. I love my knife, only had it for a month and had to send it in because the lock was failing. The customer service was awesome and they did a really nice job on it. At the same time, the main feature of a lock blade is the lock.
 
Kaizen1 said:
I've read this as well. The added grip would result in greater lock security.
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Grip is one thing, but having to pry the lock back with a butter knife because its stuck open is another. My commander needs to go back for the second time and the lock on my dad's 13 is on it's way over.
 
Sometimes liner locks do jam open because -- for whatever reason -- the lock sticks. OK, for one reason ... titanium on steel "galls". The effect is like grit or griptape. The solution may be as laborious as working it over and over again until it wears smooth, or as simple as taking a pencil and "writing" in the tang -- the graphite in the pencil lead will immediately smooth the point of contact, repairing the knife without a trip to the manufacturer.
 
HCSchluge said:
Unfortunately, it's not. I have a feeling the titanium liner cant hold up to a steel blade.
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do what? so are ya saying he should go to steel liners? he did for a while and everyone griped and said they preffered the ti.

FWIW ti liners have been standing up to steel blades ever since the liner lock was invented by makers as diverse as pat crawford, bob lum, emerson, really just about anyone ya care to name who makes liner lock knives.
 
Partial quote from Kaizen1:

...I am not able to cause my CQC-14 to fail from gripping the knife very hard in the way glend65 has described. I've played with many different Emersons and have not noticed them to have weak locks.

From my post on another string:

"I should have been more specific. Hand pressure on the the blade spine will cause the liner to work back off of the blade tang allowing it to close. I have had a couple of other locking liner knives release on me while I was trying to cut plastic crate straps. I got cut one of those times. Because of those incidents I like to test all locking liner knives with pressure against the spine. You would be surprised how many "tactical" knives fail this test, even high-end models. I also do the white knuckle grip test."
 
SIFU1A said:
do what? so are ya saying he should go to steel liners? he did for a while and everyone griped and said they preffered the ti.

FWIW ti liners have been standing up to steel blades ever since the liner lock was invented by makers as diverse as pat crawford, bob lum, emerson, really just about anyone ya care to name who makes liner lock knives.
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If you read carefully I said that I have the feeling that Ti is not the best material for a liner lock given the fact that mine failed and many others seem to be doing the same. I have had many liner lock knives that never failed after years of use and even abuse.

That said, mine failed. Emerson fixed it and I appreciate the service. I don't know why it failed as it is brand new and wasn't abused. I don't think it should have failed. I am not a knife maker or a metallurgist. I am however an engineer and I do expect a safety feature this simple to be reliable.
 
My CQC-10 linerlock has loosened after 3 years of use. If I press the blade spine the liner moves towards unlock position. It's not really assuring... No pivot tightening will help. It seems that the ti lock liner is worn some. I love the knife so I need to get it fixed.
 
knifenut1013 said:
Grip is one thing, but having to pry the lock back with a butter knife because its stuck open is another. My commander needs to go back for the second time and the lock on my dad's 13 is on it's way over.
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I have a feeling that your two examples are not representative of Emerson quality in general, otherwise we would see more threads of this sort. My guess, and yes this is just my opinion, is that my experience with the Emerson's I've handled with no issues at all is going to be the clear majority. I am by no means a fanboy or dedicated to any companies BTW. If there's a QC problem and especially tendencies towards QC issues, I'd be the first one to mention them on the forums.
 
The only problem I ever had with my Emersons was that they opened every time I pulled them outta my pocket.:eek::eek:

Must be a design thing................................;):p:D
 
wolfmann601 said:
The only problem I ever had with my Emersons was that they opened every time I pulled them outta my pocket.:eek::eek:

Must be a design thing................................;):p:D
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LMAO:D:D:D

Totally agree with Lycosa, Ernie definitely has to go back to the drawing table because this is a serious inherent design flaw.;)
 
glend65 said:
"I should have been more specific. Hand pressure on the the blade spine will cause the liner to work back off of the blade tang allowing it to close. I have had a couple of other locking liner knives release on me while I was trying to cut plastic crate straps. I got cut one of those times. Because of those incidents I like to test all locking liner knives with pressure against the spine. You would be surprised how many "tactical" knives fail this test, even high-end models. I also do the white knuckle grip test."
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This has happened to 3 that I owned. This was during 01-03. The only one that didn't have this problem was an 01 waved 7bts. I think thicker liners would alleviate this problem.
 
HCSchluge said:
If you read carefully I said that I have the feeling that Ti is not the best material for a liner lock given the fact that mine failed and many others seem to be doing the same. I have had many liner lock knives that never failed after years of use and even abuse.

That said, mine failed. Emerson fixed it and I appreciate the service. I don't know why it failed as it is brand new and wasn't abused. I don't think it should have failed. I am not a knife maker or a metallurgist. I am however an engineer and I do expect a safety feature this simple to be reliable.
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they are reliable. myself & many others have had great luck with EKI.

as an engineer i'm sure you undertsand that with anything mass produced ya are gonna have a bad one get by every now and again, thats just the way things are,

but imho the basic design is as good as any & as far as materials again ti works fine for a liner, as far as liner thickness i do believe they are thicker now vs a few yrs ago, & they did have probs for a while but the last 3 yrs or so this hasnt been an issue with EKI's, if ya think EKI liners are thin look at spyderco millies, & those rarely have problems, go figure..........
 
Going back a few posts to the one where his EKI was "gritty" that describes my new A-100.

The knife locks up, is centered, but after a week of carry time it's still a lot slower to engage than any of my Benchmades. I've played with the pivot where it's backed off without any play, but it's still slow to open without really cranking it with the thumb disk.

On the positive, it has loosened up a little bit...so do you guys think there's a problem with it, or do I just need more play time with it?

Any advice would be welcome.
 
jkarp_53 said:
Going back a few posts to the one where his EKI was "gritty" that describes my new A-100.

The knife locks up, is centered, but after a week of carry time it's still a lot slower to engage than any of my Benchmades. I've played with the pivot where it's backed off without any play, but it's still slow to open without really cranking it with the thumb disk.

On the positive, it has loosened up a little bit...so do you guys think there's a problem with it, or do I just need more play time with it?

Any advice would be welcome.
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You probably already have done this, but I'll throw it out there. Have you tried any lubrication?
 
I recently purchased a EKI Combat Karambit, and the F&F is great. I've seen a few Emersons that were lacking, but for the most part they seemed well made.
 
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