I get why Emerson did the ZT Collaboration

I haven't read the whole thread, as a disclaimer. And there's nothing wrong with Emerson for making dependable but rougher knives for use, just like there's nothing wrong with ZT going so heavily into fancy knives (they are pretty evidently not focused on making just tough knives anymore, what with the designs and materials of the newer sprints and such). And since ZT and Emerson have the most "dedicated" fans, I'm treading dangerous waters here. But I think its a bit outlandish to say that a 0620 is best as a suit knife. First off, unless your in one of the few professions that require a suit AND serious self defense as part of the job, why would you carry a knife with the wave, a tanto blade, and weight that makes it like a "brick"? Second, I don't know if other people keep a super loose grip on their knives in stressful situations, when they have gloves on, or when the knife is wet but it seems to me the design of the handle will keep the knife in your hand if you just grip it (I don't think the pattern of g10 is the deciding factor). Third, there's no reason a knife isn't made to be used just because it has a tighter finish. A perfect finish is not necessary for a user, but it certainly doesn't exclude a knife from being a user either.
 
Akapennypincher said:
I call Zero Tolorence Knives FOO FOO KNIVES. Honestly they are pretty, they have clean lines, but I honestly never sprung open my wallet for one. Why it would be a safe queen, and I have no safe to store thing to show off.
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It might be better to offer insights based on experienced, rather than "foo foo". It's easy to say someone isn't good or whateve when yo have zero experience.
 
RevDevil said:
It might be better to offer insights based on experienced, rather than "foo foo". It's easy to say someone isn't good or whateve when yo have zero experience.
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I made my case for my remarks, but you must not have red or was it read ever word I wrote. Living in the U.S.A. We still have their first amendment don't we?

I made my case for choosing what I liked, why I liked it, and by the way was spending the money I earned to buy it. If you would like to GIFT me ZT, that would be a nice offer. But honestly I would just sell it, and use the money for Emerson # II.
 
ALLHSS said:
I haven't read the whole thread, as a disclaimer. And there's nothing wrong with Emerson for making dependable but rougher knives for use, just like there's nothing wrong with ZT going so heavily into fancy knives (they are pretty evidently not focused on making just tough knives anymore, what with the designs and materials of the newer sprints and such). And since ZT and Emerson have the most "dedicated" fans, I'm treading dangerous waters here. But I think its a bit outlandish to say that a 0620 is best as a suit knife. First off, unless your in one of the few professions that require a suit AND serious self defense as part of the job, why would you carry a knife with the wave, a tanto blade, and weight that makes it like a "brick"? Second, I don't know if other people keep a super loose grip on their knives in stressful situations, when they have gloves on, or when the knife is wet but it seems to me the design of the handle will keep the knife in your hand if you just grip it (I don't think the pattern of g10 is the deciding factor). Third, there's no reason a knife isn't made to be used just because it has a tighter finish. A perfect finish is not necessary for a user, but it certainly doesn't exclude a knife from being a user either.
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There are some really pretty & fancy knives out there. Like I said I did a lot of looking before springing for my CQC-7. I felt I made a decision based on a lot of looking over maybe 90 days. In the end Emerson won out over the other knives, I had on my short list.

I got the package from EKI open the package, giving the CQC-7 very close critical inspecting. My eyes see thing most people miss, because of the work I did as a Freelance Photographer, and Photo Editor. So after inspecting fit, finish, function, several times over a couple of days, I was happy. Had I not been the CQC-7 would have been headed back to Harbor City, CA.

I was not looking for a designer Jean kind of knife, as I wear plain old Wrangler from Wal-Mart that fit well, function well, and give good service life.

I am the guy who never owned Designer Jeans, Drinks $3.33/Six Pack Big Flats Beer because it taste good to me. I recently ran across some great Red Dinner Wine from Trade Joes Store that taste great, and is under $2.49/Bottle.

I am a very simple guy in many ways, but a very complexed person in other ways. When RevDevil said I had no experience, I would like to compair my life experiences, and adventures with his. Trust me I would be I have more real world experience then him.

I love the information that these Internet forums, and user groups offer. But I still take the information I gleaned, and than to my own research to see what is the best item in my eyes I have decided to buy.

Saving for Emerson Number Two why, I like Emerson Number One a hell of a lot.
 
ALLHSS said:
I haven't read the whole thread, as a disclaimer. And there's nothing wrong with Emerson for making dependable but rougher knives for use, just like there's nothing wrong with ZT going so heavily into fancy knives (they are pretty evidently not focused on making just tough knives anymore, what with the designs and materials of the newer sprints and such). And since ZT and Emerson have the most "dedicated" fans, I'm treading dangerous waters here. But I think its a bit outlandish to say that a 0620 is best as a suit knife. First off, unless your in one of the few professions that require a suit AND serious self defense as part of the job, why would you carry a knife with the wave, a tanto blade, and weight that makes it like a "brick"? Second, I don't know if other people keep a super loose grip on their knives in stressful situations, when they have gloves on, or when the knife is wet but it seems to me the design of the handle will keep the knife in your hand if you just grip it (I don't think the pattern of g10 is the deciding factor). Third, there's no reason a knife isn't made to be used just because it has a tighter finish. A perfect finish is not necessary for a user, but it certainly doesn't exclude a knife from being a user either.
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^ I agree with ALLHSS.
Calling the 0620 collab a suit knife or safe queen is hilarious. I look at ZT knives and see some of the toughest, well built, and affordable knives that beg to be used hard. (Yes I own and USE 3 ZTs)
First of all, ZT has done Emerson a favor by introducing them to the 21st century.
People get tired of the same ol plain g10 and 154cm package, especially for $200+. My CQC 15 has been a disappointing paper-weight for years because it can't compete with my other knives, even the cheaper ones. It just stings knowing I paid such a premium for standard materials and the thumb stud fell off the first week I carried it so I had to send it back. Providing Emerson and ZT fans with an opportunity to acquire an Emerson design with upgraded materials, better fit and finish, at around the same price as a standard full size Emerson is just awesome.
Secondly, the 0620 is expected to be heavy duty and therefore may just feel like a brick in dress pants. I doubt the wave feature, tanto blade and tactical styling are necessary for office work, but ZT has given the design some attractive flair that would make office carry acceptable IMO.
And lastly, I highly doubt the "slick" handles would ever be an issue for EDC duty or in a tactical situation.
I do enjoy my CQC during Christmas time though because it can pry staples like a champ.
 
Paper weight? Your Emerson doesn't compete with your other knives? Even the cheaper ones? Does it need a sharpen? What are you doing with your other knives that it doesn't come close with? Just would like some useful info. Thanks
 
Akapennypincher said:
There are some really pretty & fancy knives out there. Like I said I did a lot of looking before springing for my CQC-7. I felt I made a decision based on a lot of looking over maybe 90 days. In the end Emerson won out over the other knives, I had on my short list.

I got the package from EKI open the package, giving the CQC-7 very close critical inspecting. My eyes see thing most people miss, because of the work I did as a Freelance Photographer, and Photo Editor. So after inspecting fit, finish, function, several times over a couple of days, I was happy. Had I not been the CQC-7 would have been headed back to Harbor City, CA.

I was not looking for a designer Jean kind of knife, as I wear plain old Wrangler from Wal-Mart that fit well, function well, and give good service life.

I am the guy who never owned Designer Jeans, Drinks $3.33/Six Pack Big Flats Beer because it taste good to me. I recently ran across some great Red Dinner Wine from Trade Joes Store that taste great, and is under $2.49/Bottle.

I am a very simple guy in many ways, but a very complexed person in other ways. When RevDevil said I had no experience, I would like to compair my life experiences, and adventures with his. Trust me I would be I have more real world experience then him.

I love the information that these Internet forums, and user groups offer. But I still take the information I gleaned, and than to my own research to see what is the best item in my eyes I have decided to buy.

Saving for Emerson Number Two why, I like Emerson Number One a hell of a lot.
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Just curious as to why you have such a beef with revdevil? In my short time on the forums I have found him to be the fairest most helpful mod on any forum I have been on. He may not tolerate BS forever but he always gives sound advice in my opinion. So why all the hate
 
D.C.Johnson said:
Just curious as to why you have such a beef with revdevil? In my short time on the forums I have found him to be the fairest most helpful mod on any forum I have been on. He may not tolerate BS forever but he always gives sound advice in my opinion. So why all the hate
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Well I was trying to justify my opinion, and why I did what I did with my money. I would have sent him a private message, but his private messaging is turned off. So I stated my case in public. Thanks for your concern.

RecDevil is in Arizona some where, I am also in Arizona some where I would like to meet the guy in person when over some upcoming medical things. I would buy the first round of beer, think the exchanging of ideas could be interesting unless he is real left liberal.
 
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This has turned into a weird thread. Disappointing. Free speech and shared opinions are what the forum is for. People get defensive about and carried away with their own personal opinions, that may have nothing to do with the actual properties of a knife under discussion. Does anyone here actually have the ZT-Emerson collab ? If not, then there is way too much smoke and not enough fire here.

My opinion - I love my Emersons. I have more now than I ever expected. I have been a spyderco carrier for years and still am, but after getting a few Emersons, I have to say I love the build quality, cutting performance, and the wave! Came for the wave, discovered the rest, ended up buying more.

I saw the ZT-Emerson and immediately wanted one. I have a couple of spyerco's in M390 and really like that steel. I like the possibility of a high-end steel, CF scales, ZT-reputed build (I do not and have never owned a ZT, but always had a positive impression based on user reviews), and WAVE!! Nice combination. I'm going to get one and find out for myself. Everyone can speak their minds, then STHU until you can do an actual review :)
 
Neither company on their own makes any knives I'm interested in right now, but the possibility of future collaborations makes me perk up my ears.
 
If Ernie designed a knife for Zt with at least a 3.5" M390 blade with a handle that has similar ergos to a commander I would personally sign over my check to Zt instantly.

I do plan on snagging a CF version though when funds present itself
 
Akapennypincher said:
Emerson is one of the few companies to make a true left handed model, because I am small handed, I honestly look at several other Emerson Models, but honestly the righty models did not work right for me. The true Lefty CQC has this notch that is a 180 of the right model that make us the Thumb opener a total breeze.
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Small handed lol
 
mbjz said:
Small handed lol
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Yes but I make them work. Funny story is one night many years ago I am working 11-7 in an ICU, we got this patient who need an emergency tracheotomy. We also got a bunch of new greduate nurse working just out of orientation. This surgeon ask who can assist him with the Trach. The nurses are for the most part quiet. I say I have help in Surgury before when short handed. He say get over hear, I ask one of the nurses for a size of surgical glove I need. The surgeon says small hands. When the procedure is over, and everything settles down, the surgeon said joking, small hands work.
 
EmersonREP said:
Can't we all just get along?
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Yeah, for real. Here I thought that this collaboration was the coolest thing since the invention of the pocket knife.
However it's caused such vehement opinions to spring out of a very vocal minority that it is as if they are demanding the Berlin Wall to go back up.

I am just guessing here, but I would wager that Mr. Emerson and the fine folks at ZT share A LOT of mutual respect. Otherwise, why would this collaboration ever get of the ground?
I have nothing but love and admiration for BOTH companies, and I own the 0620 as well as an Emerson. I like both. I use both. I will never voluntarily part with any of my ZT or Emerson knives. No way, no how!

At any rate, feel free to open the mail and rescue people from trapped cars with your tool of choice.
But let's not lose sight of the immense blessing that it is to have two wonderful companies collaborating in such a way that gives us so many wonderful options. Anything less than that is petty grumbling.

Thanks,
Nate
 
Akapennypincher said:
Well I was trying to justify my opinion, and why I did what I did with my money. I would have sent him a private message, but his private messaging is turned off. So I stated my case in public. Thanks for your concern.

RecDevil is in Arizona some where, I am also in Arizona some where I would like to meet the guy in person when over some upcoming medical things. I would buy the first round of beer, think the exchanging of ideas could be interesting unless he is real left liberal.
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Haha... You are funny. I'm actually a somewhat private person, no Facebook or Twitter, etc. My political and religious beliefs are my own and I am quite comfortable with them. I don't feel compelled to wear a T-Shirt with that information as advertising. As far as true free speech is concerned, on a privately owned forum (regardless of who owns it or what forum it is) free speech doesn't necessarily apply. I also try not to be too ignorant, when I don't know the answer to something I usually leave it to people more knowlegeable than myself. So if you insist on talking smack about a knife you have never owned or even intend to own, why put yorself out there? You said it yourself. Please don't feel comelled to compare life stories, you're compensating and turning this into something personal that doesn't need to be. If you insist on speaking matter of factly, at least do yourself a favor and insert a disclaier. Same goes for your opinions on other things, if you are not here to learn simply say so. If you continue to have abone to pick with me, please, please let me know and we can squash the issue once and for all. The sooner the better actually, that wa these kinds of exchanges can be avoided. They rally do nothing for me.
 
Akapennypincher said:
Well I was trying to justify my opinion, and why I did what I did with my money. I would have sent him a private message, but his private messaging is turned off. So I stated my case in public. Thanks for your concern.

RecDevil is in Arizona some where, I am also in Arizona some where I would like to meet the guy in person when over some upcoming medical things. I would buy the first round of beer, think the exchanging of ideas could be interesting unless he is real left liberal.
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Haha... You are funny. I'm actually a somewhat private person, no Facebook or Twitter, etc. My political and religious beliefs are my own and I am quite comfortable with them. I don't feel compelled to wear a T-Shirt with that information as advertising. As far as true free speech is concerned, on a privately owned forum (regardless of who owns it or what forum it is) free speech doesn't necessarily apply. I also try not to be too ignorant (always leave room for error), when I don't know the answer to something I usually leave it to people more knowlegeable than myself. So if you insist on talking smack about a knife you have never owned or even intend to own, why put yorself out there? You said it yourself. Please don't feel compelled to compare life stories, you're compensating and turning this into something personal that doesn't need to be. If you insist on speaking matter of factly, at least do yourself a favor and insert a disclaier. Same goes for your opinions on other things, if you are not here to learn simply say so. If you continue to have a bone to pick with me, please, please let me know and we can squash the issue once and for all. The sooner the better actually, that wa these kinds of exchanges can be avoided. They really do nothing for me and only serve to detract and take the focus off why evyone is here. I have no ill feelings towards anyone here.
 
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