i got ripped off

okay, what i'm taking to be "mirror" surfaces on the computer i was using earlier now look different on my good monitor. in comparing the trade user to compare with your pictures, i'm thinking you have MAYBE a real one, but perhaps a second, or someone's beatup one they repainted? again, tough call based on the pictures.

the stamp is either overpainted or POOR for some reason (factory reject)? i have seen people selling factory seconds, and warehouse rejects (found them in a bin with broken bits, and all manner of factory "trash") here and there. sometimes they don't have stamps, or double stamps, or poor coatings, or ...

still, i BET someone could heat treat that proper given a chance. even old school semi-differential.
 
Thanks Bladite

I really like this knife i was really happy with it - - till it bent - i still like it; the coating is fine; the shape cuts well; it came sharp and seems to stay that way (although i didn't get to use it much to really try out the edge retention)

If it was a real one that just slipped by QA - or like you siad a second - i wonder if it could be re-tempered it or something?

If someone was able to know for sure i would mail it to them and pay them for their time? (i would want to get it back -:)- )

Is that a bad idea the re-temper ?

ideas?

thank you -

- Eric
 
Bladite do you know anyone you would suggest that might be interested in having a look at it ?
 
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BFH44 said:
Bladite do you know anyone you would suggest that might be interested in having a look at it ?
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what you call me! why i otter! :)

actually, i don't have a clue! Ethan or Toooj might.

i'd suggest Rowen, he's the man in the private sector, but perhaps we have a maker type?

you'd probably have to at least pay postage to and from if someone could volunteer for SCIENCE! at the very least, it would be entertaining :)

ideas people?
 
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opps sorry about that Bladite - did meant that to spell out that way - i corrected it
 
You know how people always say "If I could go back then with what I know now..."

Well, what if you could go back to ordering your first BKT - which one would you get? (From the currently available lineup...)

I started with an 11 and then a 2 - but if I were ordering one today as my first, I think it might be a 7.

Thoughts?
 
paperairplane said:
You know how people always say "If I could go back then with what I know now..."

Well, what if you could go back to ordering your first BKT - which one would you get? (From the currently available lineup...)

I started with an 11 and then a 2 - but if I were ordering one today as my first, I think it might be a 7.

Thoughts?
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you should start a new thread.
 
after what all has been said by Ethan, Bladite, and others as well as my own questions i stripped it down today and the stamp showed up better than before - what do you guys think is it a copy or one that slipped by the workers unnoticed or ??

by the way again i don't think the person who sold it even knew about it at all


anyway - this is the pictures of the stamp after stripping it

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any ideas? - is it copy or real? should i try to heat treat and re-temper it ?
 
Those pictures def. look better quality than the other ones so I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than myself can give you a pretty good answer.
 
Here's the stamped logo from your stripped knife:

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Here's the stamped logo from my stripped BK9:

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I can't imagine that anyone indulging in forgeries would go to the trouble of copying the logo and stamping tools so close to perfection.

I can imagine, however, that someone beat the crap out of the blade and wore the original coating off to the point of, instead of stripping like us normal folk do, decided that repainting it was the only option, thus obscuring the logo to the point of appearing to be a lousy forgery.

My conclusion: You have an original BK&T there. From what I've seen and read here, I understand why you thought it might be a second or a forgery, but after stripping it, I'm not sure that that hypothesis still looks reasonable. Unless Ethan or others with knowledge of seconds looking similar to the condition the knife was in when you got it, I think it's more reasonable to assume it was an end-user-applied paint job that caused the confusion.

Have you used it yet? Is there any performance deficiency that leads you to believe the steel needs to be retempered? If not, if it were me, the obvious authenticity of that logo would make me quit worrying about it and enjoy the new acquisition just like it was the real thing, because I really think it is. :)

Blues

ETA:

Sorry, re-read original post. Been awhile since I first read it, and forgot that the blade bent during use. That's good evidence of it being a second I would guess, but I still think it's an authentic Becker. I'll shut up now. :o
 
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that logo looks fake.

And they do copy markings on fakes, that is part of their scam. They just do a bad job, usually.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
that logo looks fake.

And they do copy markings on fakes, that is part of their scam. They just do a bad job, usually.
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On what do you base your opinion that the logo looks fake?

Follow the links to all the documentation of known knock-offs and you will not find an instance of "BK&T - Camillus, New York USA" even being stamped on the blade at all. Further, the known knock-offs are stainless. It does not appear the subject of this thread is.

Does the logo look fake to any of the Becker aficionados like Moose, Bladite or Ethan? If so, why? If not, then what's y'all's educated guesses about why the blade bent under what sounds to be fairly light usage?

Blues
 
this is from Moose's Machete

although it isnt as clear as the the stripped one, it does look similar

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could the OP had been try to cut something a little do hard for it?
 
One way to tell if it is stainless or not is to put some vinegar, ketchup, mustard, lemon or other acidic substance on it and see if it reacts.
 
when it bent i was just limb-ing small branches off a felled tree - maybe 1 - 2 inches
 
BluesStringer said:
On what do you base your opinion that the logo looks fake?
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The poor quality of the stamping, compared to the crisp readable markings I have seen on real ones.


The blotchy unreadable stamp in no way resembles this one: the text is the same, but you can read this one clearly.


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Not so here:
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I guess i will just look up the parameters for the type steel that the real one is made from and go ahead and heat treat as if new -

i already was figured it was bad; so if it turns to crap then no loss -- if it turns out good - i can only gain a good blade - thanks to all that posted
 
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