I guess we know his stance.

earlier this year in Big Bend National Park rangers told us that there was a black bear with a shoe fetish that has destroyed several tents in order to get (and eat) shoes from within the tent.

Also, in the same national park, which shares a border with Mexico, drug/human smuggling is commonplace. The park is vast and desolate with little law enforcement. The authorities no longer suggest anyone camp along the Rio Grande due to several instances of 'raiding-parties' from across the border.

I think both cases display why we need to be able to legally carry in national parks. This is a nice victory for the good guys.
 
KEmSAT-Survival said:
Why can't stupid people like this just die of a stroke and be done with it?

Yes, just as soon as this bill is signed, the first thing I'm doing is taking my AK-47 on a hiking trip. :rolleyes: /sarcasm

Somebody should let the Brady Bunch know their shitcom was cancelled years ago.
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Of course if it's ultralight hikers they'll be packing AR's, or perhaps UZI's since AK's are so heavy.

I just love when ignorant people show that ignorance. The problem is that they've been spouting their ignorant banter for so long that some people are believing it.

Just makes me legal now when I go into a park.

God gave me life and He made it a sin (crime in modern terms) to take that life, therefore He gave me the right to protect it, anywhere, anytime, anyhow.

Charlie
 
CShepherd said:
Of course if it's ultralight hikers they'll be packing AR's, or perhaps UZI's since AK's are so heavy.

I just love when ignorant people show that ignorance. The problem is that they've been spouting their ignorant banter for so long that some people are believing it.

Just makes me legal now when I go into a park.

God gave me life and He made it a sin (crime in modern terms) to take that life, therefore He gave me the right to protect it, anywhere, anytime, anyhow.

Charlie
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LOL! You know it was these same people that said the streets would 'run with blood' as if it were the wild-wild-west if citizens were allowed to carry concealed firearms. :eek:

Of course the opposite has become fact as we have seen violent crime decrease in places with concealed carry laws. Facts seem to be obstacles for the liberal mind as they interfere with their feelings. ;)
 
IIRC, this simply lifts the additional barrier to carry in national parks. In other words, if you were legally allowed to carry outside of the national park, simply going into the park no longer eliminates your right to carry. (Conversely, if you were already prohibited from carry in the state the park is located, this does not confer a new positive right allowing you to carry.

-- FLIX
 
FLIX said:
IIRC, this simply lifts the additional barrier to carry in national parks. In other words, if you were legally allowed to carry outside of the national park, simply going into the park no longer eliminates your right to carry. (Conversely, if you were already prohibited from carry in the state the park is located, this does not confer a new positive right allowing you to carry.

-- FLIX
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You are correct.

It's a start.
 
hollowdweller said:
"AK47" is the "Saturday Night Special" of the 21st century. Sort of an alarmist code word.
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The funny thing is, most people that really believe in the term "Saturday Night Special" would be sickened if you referred to them as a racist and a bigot for using a racist and bigoted term like that. They have no idea that the original term/phrase was "N****rtown Saturday Night Special" and before anyone gets their drawers in a knot over that, you better look up the origin of the phrase "Saturday Night Special." I placed the ****s in there in case there are any kids around, that's up to parents to explain the crappy nature of human beings.

I love the music of Lynyrd Skynyrd but if you think it's some type of coincidence that the line in "Saturday Night Special" reads, "Two feets they come a creepin', like a black cat do..." you're hopelessly naive.

The democrats determined they could have a majority if they did not demand that their candidates pass a gun control litmus test.
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Well, I hope the extremists in the democrat party finally learned their lesson. I wait and watch man. I have to say, when the President of Mexico a month or so ago was complaining that we needed more gun control in the United States...and wouldn't it be great for them to run our Bill of Rights the way they have run our immigration policy for about eight years, President Obama said we had the laws in place to deal with the problem and we should focus on enforcing those laws we already have. Saaaaayyyy, doesn't that sound like the NRA's three or four decade old mantra? Maybe the democrats finally learned their lesson that their extremist Californian and New Yorker legislators were killing the party on a nationwide basis. One can only hope they tell those other people to go pound salt.

Rather than nature walks a lot of these parks have places where you can hike and camp way back and there's no reason why a person shouldn't have a gun in that instance.
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There are States in this country where they have CCW/CHL and you have to watch where you drive around your own neighborhood, place of business/job or where you go shopping, etc., because you might be on a road controlled by federal law and although you are "legal" for your State, you might be breaking federal law by being on a small stretch of road! That was one of the problems this legislation sought to correct.

The banks and credit card companies have been bleeding the working classes dry with deceptive tactis and fees so I'm personally glad both segments of the bill passed.
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So am I. The "backlash" of the credit card companies is just bluster and whining anyway. They will find other ways to rape and pillage, they always do.
 
Just remember all this can change with a stroke of the pen. Now if they passed if you have a ccw you can carry anywhere I would be more excited.
 
I read this the other day and have been hearing it on NPR all week. Ya know, I have tried hard to not like this obama clown, but he gave me $25 more on the unemployement and now lifting the idiotic gun ban, well, he gets credit for it anyways but I know it wasn't him. At least he is smart enough to know a losing battle. Stupid thing is, gun wars in the parks were never a problem, couple of instances, but not a big problem. I always thought it was stupid to pass more gun laws, they can't enforce what they have now. 90% or better of the gun crimes are committed by criminals with illegal guns, not us legal CCW folks
 
moonwilson said:
"Families should not have to stare down loaded AK-47's on nature hikes"

That has to be one of the dumbest sentences I've ever read.
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They almost always fall back on that. They like to use the mental images that the AK47 conjures up in the mind. As if anyone could ever carry one concealed...leagally at least. Just like the media always scans the carnage then focuses their camera on the gun..on the few rare cases ones were used...and never the guy who commited the crime....and then use that to push for tighter gun control over all. I really couldn't care less if they did just ban all AK models if they'd just leave the rest alone. they are reliable and good for chunking lots of lead down range but little if anything else.

What I don't get is the whole "tax payers should be outraged" thing! So... people with CCP's are not tax payers now? When did this come about, as I must have missed it?

I don't understand why the gun control types always try to cast "criminal mentality" onto the ones who have CCP's. We have to clearly prove that we are not criminals and pay a pretty hevy price to do so. We obviously feel a need for protection and have had show mental stability. Why would we want to go and do something stupid that would cause us to lose a right like that?
 
Is anyone else more than a little worried by the phrases being used here? Staring down the barrel of an AK while camping sounds like a plot for one of those Dead Teenagers Go to Camp Movies. I have heard of Belt Way Blindness applied to our elected representatives but do they really get there sound bites, and their opinions, from Hollywood?
 
It was signed into law today. Before any of you decide to run off to the nearest National Park this weekend with your pistol, I'll point out that the law doesn't take effect until 9 months after the date it was signed.
 
The Presidio of San Francisco, once an Army base is now a national park. I wouldn't get my hopes up on that one though. ;)
 
Horn Dog said:
Thank God for the NRA. Even with the whole government in the hands of the Democrats, traditional gun haters, it looks like our 2nd Amendment rights are still safe, for now, and maybe even expanding.
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I believe the original regulation that prohibited this was enacted by the Reagan administration...



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I believe the original regulation that prohibited this was enacted by the Reagan administration...



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Very true. It was part of the "firearms owners protection act" which was passed in order to reaffirm the 2nd amendment and rein-in the ATF from abuses of citizens rights.

I suspect that the National park bit of the bill was an amendment slipped into the bill at a late hour to gain votes from those whom would otherwise support the bill. ;)

Given the point of the bill, to expand citizens 2nd amendment rights, it is doubtful that Reagan liked the National Park provision of the bill in question, but overall the bill was a victory for his administration and the American people.:thumbup:
 
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