I met with two masters tonight...

By the way, Mr. McLemore has authored a couple of books.

See

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1581603894/qid=1118896590/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl14/104-5879657-7898307?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

and

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1581604416/ref=pd_sxp_elt_l1/104-5879657-7898307

I have his book on the Bowie knife. I think it is quite well done.

I've also visited his school's website in the past, although when I try to find it now I can not. As I recall he teaches a number of weapons, including heavier ones like the tomahawk and the Bowie that have some similar potentials to the khukuri. Leaving aside the question of whether he knows "genuine" khukuri techniques, I would be interested in knowing his thoughts on the potentials of the khukuri.

Vampire Hunter D, it would be great if you could bring in a few different styles and get his thoughts on their potentials.
 
Howard,

I showed him both of my khukuris and he really liked them. He said," You can tell that this was made by a master smith." We very briefly discussed khuk fighting and he doesn't like not being able to give a hard thrust. He actually has what looks like a mini UBE on one wall in his house. That said the 8 angles of attack would be devistating w/ a khuk, IMO. The bowie book would be a good starting point for using a khuk in self defense. Just adapt it and I guess do what feels right. Either way getting to play w/ the khuk and getting a real feel for the weight would be worth it.

Svash,

I'm still trying to dig up any instructors in your area. I'll let you know after Sunday. Silat or Kali/Escrima might be a good starting point for you and I'm sure that they have that where you are.

I'm going to direct Mr. Mclemore here to read this and maybe anwser some questions. I'll say right now that he doesn't consider himself a master, just really good at the thrust. I figure if he knows more than me then I can learn from him.
 
I might recommend that anyone interested in the Kukri contact some of the Bando people, they have the market cornered on some of the information on how the weapon is used. There is a company Hymalaian (sp) Imports I think that has a site with lots of information debunking the myth of the weapon and putting it in perspective for how it developed and is actually used. I understand that Kevin Martin of USA Bando is 'The' Expert and does some remarkable stuff with the weapon breaking bricks with the heel etc. You might contact him. I don't work a lot with the Kukri but I have some Falcuta trainers (Arena Size) that we work for variety. I learned some prisioner control techniques from Hoch that were rather impressive. Some are in his book The Military Knife Combat form Lauric Press.

Sorry I can't be more help.

Best
Dwight
 
Dwight McLemore said:
I might recommend that anyone interested in the Kukri contact some of the Bando people, they have the market cornered on some of the information on how the weapon is used. There is a company Hymalaian (sp) Imports I think that has a site with lots of information debunking the myth of the weapon and putting it in perspective for how it developed and is actually used. I understand that Kevin Martin of USA Bando is 'The' Expert and does some remarkable stuff with the weapon breaking bricks with the heel etc. You might contact him. I don't work a lot with the Kukri but I have some Falcuta trainers (Arena Size) that we work for variety. I learned some prisioner control techniques from Hoch that were rather impressive. Some are in his book The Military Knife Combat form Lauric Press.

Sorry I can't be more help.

Best
Dwight
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Thanks very much Dwight for the Bando information!

FYI, I have heard of that "Hymn-alayan Imports" outfit, and from what I understand they are a pretty weird bunch of folks. I have read most of their writings, and it is full of crazy stuff about little torture knives and hot dogs and ball pein hammers, and stuff like that. They hang out online at a place called "The Cantina" or something. Probably a reference to the alcohol they use in their sacred cutting rituals. They are kind of a cult actually. They face towards Reno several times a day, and many of them send all their money to a woman living up there in the high desert who has her own network of agents in Nepal. I would stay clear of them, as from what I hear they assimilate unsuspecting knife enthusiasts into their freakish cult faster than the Borg assimilating an alien race!

Just a word to the wise... :eek: ;)

Norm
 
Dwight McLemore said:
I might recommend that anyone interested in the Kukri contact some of the Bando people, they have the market cornered on some of the information on how the weapon is used. There is a company Hymalaian (sp) Imports I think that has a site with lots of information debunking the myth of the weapon and putting it in perspective for how it developed and is actually used. I understand that Kevin Martin of USA Bando is 'The' Expert and does some remarkable stuff with the weapon breaking bricks with the heel etc. You might contact him. I don't work a lot with the Kukri but I have some Falcuta trainers (Arena Size) that we work for variety. I learned some prisioner control techniques from Hoch that were rather impressive. Some are in his book The Military Knife Combat form Lauric Press.

Sorry I can't be more help.

Best
Dwight
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Welcome to the Cantina, Mr. McLemore.

Many of the people here have interacted with Bando practioners. Some of the Bando people do indeed have very interesting viewpoints on the potentials of the khukuri.

One thing that many of us have learned is that these knives come in many varieties, and seem to have lives of thier own. It seems that the potential of a knife is discovered by studying that particular knife. A 12" khukuri certainly has different potentials than a 25" khukuri.

You seem to have gone through this type of study with the Bowie knife, and judging from your published work you learned a lot. It's that potential for observation and discovery that interests me in your opinion, rather than your depth of experience with the khukuri.

And by the way, why do you think you can't thrust hard with a khukuri? I'm willing to bet that a bit of experimentation will show you you can thrust pretty hard with most khukuris once you understand the knife. It is different than a thrust with the Bowie though.

Take care.
 
Interesting reading... as the Khukuri becomes more known, it appears as if there are more and more people that talk about its use as a weapon...I sometimes wonder where they have been all these years
 
The thrust IS a little weird, but I suspect that the khukuri, like the kora, has attempted to mix the chop and thrust by moving the point closer to the chopping point and curving the blade and handle which moves the chopping point a bit.
( chopping point is my own made-up term and has no historical basis that I know of)

You chop with a khukuri or kora and the point goes in first. (especially with a hanshee, gelbu, malla, chitlangi or M43)

Its like having a snake in your hand!
 
Hi Guys
Very nice to see Mr Mclemore here, both his books are excellent pieces of work. Now, this thrusting business, you should all know that the only kuk for that kind of work is the Movie Model. There have been a few up recently. I can hardly put it in its sheath without stabbing something.
Phil
 
The khukuri has a simple and very natural as well as very strong thrust in fact it works with the wrist and forearm...you just have to hold the right way
 
pmel018 said:
Hi Guys
Very nice to see Mr Mclemore here, both his books are excellent pieces of work. Now, this thrusting business, you should all know that the only kuk for that kind of work is the Movie Model. There have been a few up recently. I can hardly put it in its sheath without stabbing something.
Phil
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Yep, which is one of the reasons I'll bet there is a higher percentage of split scabbards with Movie Models and UBE's than with just about any other HI model.

N.
 
Svashtar said:
Yep, which is one of the reasons I'll bet there is a higher percentage of split scabbards with Movie Models and UBE's than with just about any other HI model.
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And here I was, thinking I was a knucklehead for knocking a hole in my UBE's scabbard before I'd had it a week. There's certainly a learning curve to this shape.
 
I have been fortunate to have met and "played" with a very skilled Bando person / teacher in Ft. Pierce Fl. I was very impressed with some of the "simpler" moves. The movements are very similar to the Chinese Art of the sword.

The more "traditional styles" is what becomes bastard-sized over the years by the newer practioners. No insult intended just fact. If you master the old Traditional Sword play, you can pretty much adapt to any stlye of knife or sword play. It only takes about 20 years or more. ;)
 
Satori said:
And here I was, thinking I was a knucklehead for knocking a hole in my UBE's scabbard before I'd had it a week. There's certainly a learning curve to this shape.
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You already broke it? You'll be known from now on as "Mr. Bull in a China Shop".

;)

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Steve Ferguson showed the way. Satori will now replicate the shining brass repair on the UBE. Then he will take pictures.

We will go " OHHHHHHHHHHHHH! AAHHHHHHHHH!"





so it is written, so it shall be.
 
pmel018 said:
Hi Guys
Very nice to see Mr Mclemore here, both his books are excellent pieces of work. Now, this thrusting business, you should all know that the only kuk for that kind of work is the Movie Model. There have been a few up recently. I can hardly put it in its sheath without stabbing something.
Phil
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Right you are...

This Movie Model by Bura has a fully sharpened false edge- in fact the whole thing is quite sharp. IMHO a fighting khuk... and a great design.

False edge is nicely visible here... as seen wielded by Anibal Ungaro, noted sea captain & privateer. :rolleyes: :footinmou


Ad Astra :rolleyes: :footinmou
 

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I would like to meet up with some bando people been a while since I knew any...would be good to compare some notes.
From the things I have seen recently on the US version of the system it looks like yawara and some Arnis mix...
I find that very interesting as one of my blacks is in yawara and another one of them is in kali.
Though I have been focusing on the Khukuri for the last 20+ years but I still love those arts and I always like to see what others do when ever I can find those who have developed past the foolish which style is better nonsense.
 
Kismet said:
Steve Ferguson showed the way. Satori will now replicate the shining brass repair on the UBE. Then he will take pictures.

We will go " OHHHHHHHHHHHHH! AAHHHHHHHHH!"
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Since you expressed interest...


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I like to keep it simple. Elegance is its own reward.
 
er....

uh...


hmmm....


Fine. No, really, that's fine.

I see our time for this sesson is over.

I'll call to reschedule.

No, really.

Honest.

Nurse Rachett? Will you take Satori to our "special place?"
 
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