I need help for my chapter on kamis. Please read.

Great start! Uncle. I hope chapters not a chapter.

If it helps, here's another viewpoint for Japanese swordsmiths. Only top of the top notch among the few swordsmiths are known to US. They are just like Birgorkha kamis in Nepal, an exception. Most swordsmiths can't live on their occupation alone. They are limited in making swords to three per months, each of which is required to undergo red tapes. They have to pay for the pricy Tama-hagane (gem=precious steel), needless to say notoriously expensive food and house to live in Japan. Customers are so harsh not to allow any flaw. They must be certified to be a swordsmith after 5 years of payless apprentice under another certified swordsmith. I know a well known knifemaker tried and achieved a certification. He did help forging in daytime, worked in restaurant at night slept in a cheap room of chep apartment. I respect him who has done through it. He's over 50 years old!

Swordsmith may be reverred in Japan, but there are so few swordsmiths to determine who is swordsmith. They know how hard it is to live on the occupation. Though the tradition is still strong in Japan, most swordsmiths can't tell his son to succeeed his job. Add some zeros to both the income and expense of Nepali kamis, it's the life of ordinally Japanese swordsmiths.

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Thanks again, all, and especially Tom for such good and broad background material.

There's an upside to being born into the kami caste. With effort a Bishwakarma can bring himself into a higher position than that of kami. As I have mentioned earlier a Bishwakarma is not necessarily a kami but all kamis are Bishwakarmas.

Years ago when I was living in Nepal I had a pal nicknamed "Bish." We were drinking buddies and we enjoyed many nights together around the fireplace at the Tusheeta Rest House. He was a Bishwakarma but he also had a Phd and was on the faculty of Tribuvan Univeristy. He was far from being a kami but my Brahmin friends never treated him as an absolute equal. He was still a sudra to them, abeit a very educated one and that earned him some respect.

To his great credit Bish ignored the arrogance of the Brahmins and simply carried on with his life. He displayed that joy of life that I find typical of the kamis. A good man.

Interesting note. I had to edit this post because I got busted for foul language. See the guest house that is spelled Tusheeta. When I spelled it properly with an "i" rather than the double e I came up with stars. Some Japanese names and words are going to suffer because you can't use the four letters ****.

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Uncle Bill
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[This message has been edited by Bill Martino (edited 01-13-2001).]
 
Pakcik Bill --- I like your way of describing Kamis --- I believed you could add few lines on their philosophy of life in their own words ... I guess you could recollect few of their words & phrases ... so that we as readers could reach their dreams, their hopes, their frustrations, their thinkings, their minds, their feelings, their heart etc. as well.

We Muslim have a high respect on Kamis profession --- According to Muslim Historian Prophet Daud (I guess you all recognised him as King David) was also a Kamis @ Blacksmith).

NEPAL HO!
 
Hi Bill and Forum, this is alot like what I
do in our country. No one wants to talk to a
Weapons Engineer about anything (UNTIL) the
need arises. Then you are the most important
person on thier minds for a short time.
How ever the pay scale is much higher in this
country. But a large group of people here look down thier noses at what we do as well.
But from one who works with metal everday,
the Kamis work that I have seen is of the
best hand work that I have ever had the pleasure to see and handle. I can't believe
the work that is turned out, without the old
tooling in my shop I would be LOST. I think
the article will be a tribute to thier efforts.
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JERRY

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HOWARD,
Just tell me how much & where to send the money!I need this book to go with my K'S!
Bill, could you see that I get a copy BEFORE
Koz,& Yvsa!
jim
 
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HOWARD,
Just tell me how much & where to send the money!I need this book to go with my K'S!
Bill, could you see that I get a copy BEFORE
Koz,& Yvsa!
jim
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Jim, too late!!!
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"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his deserts are small,
That dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all...."
- James Graham, Marquess of Montrose (1612-1650)
 
Bill, please don't forget to tell the story of Kancha Kami, the one who lived up by Pala's ranch. Especially the part about the last, or one of the last, times you saw him and the circumstances to which he'd been reduced.

I know when I heard it from you I felt sickened, though I am glad you told the story to us. I suspect what happened to him played an important part in your committment to forming Himalayan Imports.

I also feel that your own committment to these people back in an impoverished Nepal is the biggest thing in my mind that sets HI apart from another khukuri seller who thinks he is "in competition" with you because he doesn't comprehend the stakes or the intensity of your purpose.
 
Kancha Kami and his wife both are gone now and his shop is dark. The children have gone off the Kathmandu (I hear one went to Japan and married a Japanese woman -- an impossibility almost for a kami to marry out of caste in Nepal) to make their fortune and have no intent to pound hot steel.

Kancha lived his life, more than 80 years, trying to stay alive by growing a few potatoes and a little corn on the small plot of land he owned and by plying his trade making khukuris, tools, and other metal objects for his neighbors. Often, Pala who had much more land and help than Kancha would send some potatoes or sukuti (jerky) down to Kancha to keep him and his family from starving. His was not an easy life.

But, in a way Kancha was lucky in that he lived among Buddhists who do not strictly adhere to the Hindu caste system. Even so, the only time he would enter a neighbor's home was for a funeral or wedding. On routine visits whether social or business he would stay outside. The life of the village kami is a harsh one. The guys at BirGorkha have it infinitely better.

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Uncle Bill
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That is what I was getting at, Bill. The time you told of going to see him and finding him and family starving with,I believe you said, not so much as a potato to eat.

In much of the western world it's hard for us to imagine, to conceive of people starving and dying today rather than a hundred years ago.
 
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