I trust these knives !!!

allenC said:
This sounds like a perfect argument for a multi-tool instead of a single-blade knife.
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Id be appreciative if you could demonstrate how a multi tool would do the jobs better , seriously , I have multi tools , including a leatherman , and to me , they well , just suck .

Its actually why I use a knife to do things like butchering big game , opening coconuts etc ....

I learned fast that rock oysters can be done easy way by lifiting out oyster encrusted rocks , put them near the fire to warm them up , then when they go slack and open a bit , they are easy as to deal with .

Im serious tho , if you can show how to do the jobs better with a multi tool , Im interested to see it .
 
I have been camping and living outdoors for more years than I like to mention. So far I have never seen a reason to baton a chunk of wood with a knife. Its something people do who don't have enough to do but seldom if ever necessary.There are many very good fixed blade knives that would not baton worth a crap.
 
Well if I thought I needed to I could use one of these:)

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They call it Epoxy Powder finish and it tough. When all is said and done for what they cost, you gotta get up pretty early and work darn hard to beat a Kabar. For most of use who are not made of money, the knife gods were listening.

Yeah That Spydie reached out and grabbed me and wouldn't let me out of the store alone.;)
 
I have had that one for twenty years. It had some staining on the blade but I took some metal polish and the Dremel and most of it come off. The Stag grip has a bit of a curve in it that I wish it didn't have.
 
coyotebc said:
Perhaps a stretch
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A very big stretch I would say.

"you could break the handle off in one or two wacks" has now become

"the handle would come loose over time"

Perhaps you should read the link you recommended yourself.
It says "Due to the construction of the Mora, the unsupported tang was bending rather than breaking" And this was experienced during cross grain batoning!

I would say that the example shows that a Mora may perform quite well despite heavy abuse it was never intended for. The handle didn’t break off without warning. Instead it showed signs of bending giving the abuser a hint that he should stop batoning the wrong way.
 
coyotebc said:
So you read the question different then I do.
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I have no idea what you are talking about.:confused:

coyotebc said:
You seem to think that you have other tools available in the question. I am thinking you don't.

No problem
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Where I live I don't need to baton, I have been told by people I trust there are places that you do. I have split wood before by batoning, it is not exceptionally hard to do or learn, there is just no reason to do it.

As far as having other tools, sure I have other tools, even if all I am carrying is a small pocket knife. I have rocks, wood that can be carved into wedges, even two trees growing close together can be used to break or split wood.

Different strokes man, I do things my way, you do things yours. Chris
 
Myal said:
Id be appreciative if you could demonstrate how a multi tool would do the jobs better , seriously , I have multi tools , including a leatherman , and to me , they well , just suck.
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What does your Leatherman "suck" at doing?
Do your pliers not grip?
Do your screwdrivers not turn screws?
Does your woodsaw not saw wood?
Does your metal file not file metal?
Does your blade not cut things?
Do your scissors not cut things?
Does your bottle-opener not open bottles?
Does your can opener not open cans?

Of course a multi-tool is not as good as a dedicated tool, but unless you want to carry a complete dedicated tool-box with you whereever you go, then the multi-tool can't be beat.
I remember when Leatherman and Gerber mulit-tools first hit the scene....I was in the Army at the time.
And even though every Soldier had a bayonet and ususally a folding knife on his side, everyone asked to borrow my multi-tool a hundred times a day.

But I challenge you to show me a better single tool for cutting things, AND turning standard screws, AND turning phillips screws, AND filing metal, AND sawing wood, AND bending and shaping wire and metal, AND cutting and stripping wire, AND trimming your mustache, AND opening a can of food, AND opening a beer bottle, AND getting a grip on small objects that would otherwise slip through your fingers.

Its actually why I use a knife to do things like butchering big game
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Are you talking about field dressing the game, or skinning the game, or completely processing all of the carcass?

A multi-tool certainly is capable of processing all but the largest game.
And the saw will make short work of bones too.

...opening coconuts etc ....
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I don't know, I have never found a coconut in the wilds of North Carolina.
But I have seen a survival show where the guide opened a coconut by planting one end of a sharpened stick in to the ground and then impaling the coconut on the stick.
And he used the pliers of his multi-tool to peel away the husk.

As for rock oysters....using the screwdrivers of a multi-tool to pry the oysters will save the tip of your knife blade.

Im serious tho , if you can show how to do the jobs better with a multi tool , Im interested to see it
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One of the best things about a multi-tool is that you don't have to dull your cutting blade doing stuff like prying.

Consider this....

You have a fixed-blade and a multi-tool...a person asks to borrow your "knife"....
Which one do you loan him?
 
allenC said:
Consider this....

You have a fixed-blade and a multi-tool...a person asks to borrow your "knife"....
Which one do you loan him?
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The "knife" because I don't carry a multi tool around with me.

The strength of a multi tool is it's versatility. But with that versatility the usefulness of the tools is compromised. The wire cutter on my Leatherman won't even cut a coat hanger.

So you get a bunch of half-assed tools in one package. In a situation where it's all you have that's great. But I'd carry a dedicated tool before I'd carry a master of none.
 
ilbruche said:
The wire cutter on my Leatherman won't even cut a coat hanger.
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Do you mean that it will not cut the hanger with one snip or are you saying that it will not cut it at all?
And would you rather dull and nick your knife blade cutting the hanger, or would you rather use the multi-tool?

So you get a bunch of half-assed tools in one package. In a situation where it's all you have that's great. But I'd carry a dedicated tool before I'd carry a master of none
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But who wants to carry a bag of dedicated tools around with them everyday everywhere?

A multi-tool saves the blade of your folder or fixed-blade from tasks that would surely dull, blunt, and chip it.
 
allenC said:
Do you mean that it will not cut the hanger with one snip or are you saying that it will not cut it at all?
And would you rather dull and nick your knife blade cutting the hanger, or would you rather use the multi-tool?


But who wants to carry a bag of dedicated tools around with them everyday everywhere?

A multi-tool saves the blade of your folder or fixed-blade from tasks that would surely dull, blunt, and chip it.
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It won't cut a coat hanger at all.

I love carrying big bags of tools around.

So, why carry a knife at all if you fear using it? I can sharpen a knife easily enough.
 
ilbruche said:
It won't cut a coat hanger at all.
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Send it back to Leatherman and they will fix it.

I love carrying big bags of tools around.
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:rolleyes:

So, why carry a knife at all if you fear using it? I can sharpen a knife easily enough.
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Sharpening your knife is easy.
Removing a nick in the blade because some bonehead used it to cut wire hangers would be another story.:grumpy:
 
runningboar said:
I have no idea what you are talking about.:confused:



Where I live I don't need to baton, I have been told by people I trust there are places that you do. I have split wood before by batoning, it is not exceptionally hard to do or learn, there is just no reason to do it.

As far as having other tools, sure I have other tools, even if all I am carrying is a small pocket knife. I have rocks, wood that can be carved into wedges, even two trees growing close together can be used to break or split wood.

Different strokes man, I do things my way, you do things yours. Chris
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What I read into it is that you only have the knife to depend on.
An example was when I was 17 a buddy of mine and I where canoeing on a lake for a weekend camping. We managed to tip the canoe and lost the axe and hatchet we had in the canoe. It was early March and it was raining slightly.
Luckily we weren't far from shore and it was near where we were headed.
The only tool we had for cutting the wood for a fire was my belt knife (old Marbles woodcraft) and my buddies belt knife.

When people ask the question of what knife you would depend on I think to a situation where you have lost the other tools such as axes and such due to the circumstance of the situation.

In my case hypothermia was a concern and if it wasn't for the fact that we knew where an old trailer was located (3 walls and 1/2 a roof) we could have been in real trouble.
 
coyotebc said:
What I read into it is that you only have the knife to depend on.
An example was when I was 17 a buddy of mine and I where canoeing on a lake for a weekend camping. We managed to tip the canoe and lost the axe and hatchet we had in the canoe. It was early March and it was raining slightly.
Luckily we weren't far from shore and it was near where we were headed.
The only tool we had for cutting the wood for a fire was my belt knife (old Marbles woodcraft) and my buddies belt knife.

When people ask the question of what knife you would depend on I think to a situation where you have lost the other tools such as axes and such due to the circumstance of the situation.

In my case hypothermia was a concern and if it wasn't for the fact that we knew where an old trailer was located (3 walls and 1/2 a roof) we could have been in real trouble.
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I think everyone knows what we are talking about it's just that some like to argue black is white !!!:thumbdn:

If, as in your situation, you are wet and freezing you aren't gonna carve a splitting wedge to get dry wood for a fire, your gonna use your the quickest way possible and as in your case that means using your knife !!!;):thumbup:
 
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