I trust these knives !!!

[runningboar]

I think everyone knows what we are talking about it's just that some like to argue black is white !!!:thumbdn:

If, as in your situation, you are wet and freezing you aren't gonna carve a splitting wedge to get dry wood for a fire, your gonna use your the quickest way possible and as in your case that means using your knife !!!:thumbup:

How many times do I have to say that what I am talking about is for where I live, the southeastern US.

I DO NOT NEED AND NEVER HAVE NEEDED TO BATON ANYTHING TO QUICKLY BUILD A FIRE!!!!!!!!!

If your situation is different use whatever you need to, but to tell the entire worldwide web that they need to baton wood in order to build a fire is not true.

Knives I trust...... every damn one that I own, or I get rid of them, does that answer your question. Chris

 

[coyotebc]

A very big stretch I would say.

"you could break the handle off in one or two wacks" has now become

"the handle would come loose over time"

Perhaps you should read the link you recommended yourself.
It says "Due to the construction of the Mora, the unsupported tang was bending rather than breaking" And this was experienced during cross grain batoning!

I would say that the example shows that a Mora may perform quite well despite heavy abuse it was never intended for. The handle didn’t break off without warning. Instead it showed signs of bending giving the abuser a hint that he should stop batoning the wrong way.

Here is the rest of the sentence wich you neglected to add
"Recognising the bending as impending failure and realizing that the only thing between my palm and a potentially sharp broken tang and a nasty cut was a thin layer of wood"

Also a little further up "After about five sharp blows I noticed that the blade was actually slicing into the stamped furrule; indicating that the blade was moving in relation to the handle"

Remember these where two brand new Moras, so one would expect that this performance would be as good as it gets.

Why did he recognise the bending, probably because he was looking for it.
Yes the test showed that when proper technique was used the Mora held up fine, my point was and is that if you are in a real survival situation things such as fatigue (same as driving tired) can allow you to make small mistakes that you may not notice.

In the case of the Mora he was cutting a 3 inch diameter branch and was looking for a possible failure. He did not look for warning signs before he broke his Bark River knive while batoning. Perhaps if he did he would have stopped, however at the time he wasn't paying full attention.

All I am saying is that a sturdier knife gives you a little more foregiveness in this type of situation.

 

[coyotebc]

A very big stretch I would say.

"you could break the handle off in one or two wacks" has now become

"the handle would come loose over time"

Perhaps you should read the link you recommended yourself.
It says "Due to the construction of the Mora, the unsupported tang was bending rather than breaking" And this was experienced during cross grain batoning!

I would say that the example shows that a Mora may perform quite well despite heavy abuse it was never intended for. The handle didn’t break off without warning. Instead it showed signs of bending giving the abuser a hint that he should stop batoning the wrong way.

Perhaps you should have quoted my entire post.
Rather then just taking parts of it out to colour the meaning of what I said.

 

[skammer]

All I am saying is that a sturdier knife gives you a little more foregiveness in this type of situation.

Some are just learning impaired man, nice try.

IF the MORA was a decently durable knife the Swedish airforce would issue it to pilots and they dont, the fallkniven is strapped to their survival vest for a reason and its not due to the lowest bidder. Their army also chose a fallkniven for its survival knife to replace the mora.

Skam

 

[runningboar]

Some are just learning impaired man, nice try.

IF the MORA was a decently durable knife the Swedish airforce would issue it to pilots and they dont, the fallkniven is strapped to their survival vest for a reason and its not due to the lowest bidder. Their army also chose a fallkniven for its survival knife to replace the mora.

Skam

That is a big load of horse sh!t, even from you. Military contracts have nothing, or at least very little, to do with the quality of the item, which has been proven time and again. Take the M9 pistols, both glock and sig beat the M9 in all categories, yet the US chose the M9.

Your slipping your going to have to do much better than that. Maybe convince people that in a survival situation instead of a cutting device they will need a sturdy, somewhat pointy, 2 pound piece of steel to drive into the ground to use as an anchor point to winch their truck with, that might actually make sense. No thanks, I will actually take knives into the woods that cut things. Chris

 

[batosai117]

How many times do I have to say that what I am talking about is for where I live, the southeastern US.

I DO NOT NEED AND NEVER HAVE NEEDED TO BATON ANYTHING TO QUICKLY BUILD A FIRE!!!!!!!!!

If your situation is different use whatever you need to, but to tell the entire worldwide web that they need to baton wood in order to build a fire is not true.

Knives I trust...... every damn one that I own, or I get rid of them, does that answer your question. Chris

Being from South Texas I can fully agree with you on what you just said. There is mesquite wood all over the damn place so at most I have to do a little walking to pick up enough wood. I don't have to baton anything unless it's for fun, and it ain't going to be with a high price knife either.

 

[skammer]

That is a big load of horse sh!t, even from you. Military contracts have nothing, or at least very little, to do with the quality of the item, which has been proven time and again. Chris

I would agree with you in 99% of cases but as it happens in this case the Swedish military votes on what they carry for knives, so it was the soldiers who chose.

Not sure what other gear they chose themselves but for knives this was the case.

FYI, Fallkniven blades cut just fine. Further more I am not touting 2 lb blades here. A $25 cold steel mini bushman or used small becker is a much better alternative and all within peoples budget.

Skam

 

[Elen]

I would agree with you in 99% of cases but as it happens in this case the Swedish military votes on what they carry for knives, so it was the soldiers who chose.

Indeed. And then there's the small thing that no organization in the entire universe is stupid enough to switch from a 3 € Mora knife to a 100 € Fällkniven F1, if there really isn't an enormous difference in quality. Not to mention that unlike the US Armed Forces, backed with a budget the size of a large country's GDP, the Swedish armed forces cannot afford to buy stuff that isn't worth the money.

 

[runningboar]

I agree with both skammer and elen 100%, the mora is not in the same class as the fallkniven. My comment was strictly replying to skammers assumption that, if the military uses it, it must be good sentiments. There is a huge gulf between military use and civilan use, there are many knives that I would not in anyway recommend for tactical purposes that are perfectly acceptable and trustworthy for woods use.

Skammer,
Mini bushman or small becker, my, my, haven't we changed our tune, not too long ago you were proposing much larger knives, why the change of heart? Chris

 

[Hang_them_later]

Perhaps a stretch, but even batoning through a couple of branches could do it especially with an older knife.
I was thinking how on the old wooden handle Moras the handle would come loose over time, I doubt they would last more then a couple of wacks. To be fair as an adult it would be unlikely that I would carry a Mora in that condition.
If you read the link I posted you would see that even a brand new Mora showed signs that it would break in less then a dozen hits when it was held at the wrong angle when batoning

Perhaps you should have quoted my entire post.
Rather then just taking parts of it out to colour the meaning of what I said.

Ok. I can't see that this changes anything. The Mora mentioned in your link didn't break it just showed signs of bending.

 

[udtjim]

The mora should not be in the same class as any knife costing ten times as much. The fact remains that as a good cutting tool for the money, nothing comes close to the Mora's. Mora could build a knife equal to anyones but they are what they are a economical knife that anyone can afford and with just a bit of common sense will get you through most any scrape.

 

[skammer]

Skammer,
Mini bushman or small becker, my, my, haven't we changed our tune, not too long ago you were proposing much larger knives, why the change of heart? Chris

I still do but this is not the topic "we" are discussing. I firmly believe a larger blade more than 6 is more usefull if you had to choose 1.

If I had to chose a small blade to rely on it wouldnt be a mora. The same principal applies to all tools you rely on no matter what their size.

Skam

 

[skammer]

Ok. I can't see that this changes anything. The Mora mentioned in your link didn't break it just showed signs of bending.

I have broken them with little trouble not battoning so the article means nothing to me. Furthermore I dont want a knife that bends, edgerolls or coughs when I batton it. The mora is a great blade for the price but its not a hard use blade.

Skam

 

[coyotebc]

Ok. I can't see that this changes anything. The Mora mentioned in your link didn't break it just showed signs of bending.

Did you choose to make this comment after not quoting my other post that stated he felt it was going to break soon?
You seem to have a habit of making comments without using the full quote or proper quote.
Obviously I was talking about your comment about what a stretch.
I think it was quite clear what I meant with that statement.

In case you did not understand my meaning I will make it dirt simple for you
My original comment of breaking with one or two whacks was based on my my meomories of being a kid with a Mora.
When others in this discussion didn't think that could be possible, like most people having a discussion I chose to examine their possition. So I thought about it and yes I had Moras break after a couple of wacks while batoning but to be fair these where probably knives whos handles started to come loose over time although I don't remember that as being the case. I then said that I still think that one of those knives (with loose handle) would break with one or two wacks, but to be fair as and adult I probably wouldn't carry one of those knives.
I then said that I think that even a new Mora of that design would break in about a dozen hits.
I have also made it clear on a number of the posts I did that I am talking about using improper technique.

You may never have broken a Mora, great.
As a kid in my area it was common for parents to give their sons the Red handled Moras and I have seen many of them break

The fact that you don't think a Mora will break that easily does nothing to change the fact that they did.

 

[stingray4540]

LMFAO!!!! Is this thread still alive?!

14 Pages of "you need a sword", "No, you only need an slippy"

I came back thinking the thread had to have taken a turn for it to still be alive, I should have known better, lol.

ETA: Oh d***, I just realized that I'm helping it stay alive.:foot:

 

[udtjim]

I am glad you cleared that up because i have said before and i will say again there is no knife that some idiot can't break. We all did things as kids that we would hopefully know better than to do now.

 

[hlee]

There is no knife that some idiot cannot break. This is a given. Given the choice, I'd rather have a knife that this idiot would have to really work at in order to break.

 

[Hang_them_later]

Did you choose to make this comment after not quoting my other post that stated he felt it was going to break soon?
You seem to have a habit of making comments without using the full quote or proper quote.
Obviously I was talking about your comment about what a stretch.
I think it was quite clear what I meant with that statement.

In case you did not understand my meaning I will make it dirt simple for you
My original comment of breaking with one or two whacks was based on my my meomories of being a kid with a Mora.
When others in this discussion didn't think that could be possible, like most people having a discussion I chose to examine their possition. So I thought about it and yes I had Moras break after a couple of wacks while batoning but to be fair these where probably knives whos handles started to come loose over time although I don't remember that as being the case. I then said that I still think that one of those knives (with loose handle) would break with one or two wacks, but to be fair as and adult I probably wouldn't carry one of those knives.
I then said that I think that even a new Mora of that design would break in about a dozen hits.
I have also made it clear on a number of the posts I did that I am talking about using improper technique.

You may never have broken a Mora, great.
As a kid in my area it was common for parents to give their sons the Red handled Moras and I have seen many of them break

The fact that you don't think a Mora will break that easily does nothing to change the fact that they did.

Did I forget to quote you ..... again!
Ok a Mora knife may break over time especially if used by a kid, I agree on that. Can we please end this ridiculous discussion now?

 

[Liam Ryan]

Of course a mora is not as tough as a fallkniven, but a fallkniven is not 25 times tougher, but hey maybe it is. Pitdogs point is, is that extra bit of security you feel in a survival situation worth the extra money?(*edit not just money, size too. Theres some good cheap choppers out there*) I have never batoned myself but in a survival situation, if I was building a good sized shelter, there would be lots of times I would rather use either a good saw or a tougher blade then a mora.
However, I would be able to make do if all I had was the mora, just using a bit more caution. Pitdog and others would simply rather not bother with caution, they want their knife to cut what they want to cut, or baton, or chop. I think I fall somewhere in the middle of these two pretty distinct camps. (ie, the mora fits the bill there, small size but tough)

 

[Hang_them_later]

I have broken them with little trouble not battoning so the article means nothing to me. Furthermore I dont want a knife that bends, edgerolls or coughs when I batton it. The mora is a great blade for the price but its not a hard use blade.

Skam

I agree 100%. I use the F1, S1 or Ratweiler rather than a Mora if I need a hard use blade.